V8 or V6

[Noddy]

"Dan---------" <esrakcussangam@thisaddy.com.ax> wrote in message
news:i4cOd.18

> Damn right if I was Noddy mark II I still need a lot of fine tuning still.
> :-)

I'm happy to put you on as an apprentice Dan :)

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Noddy.

[Dan---------]

Noddy wrote:


>
> I'm happy to put you on as an apprentice Dan :)

LOL! the g/f thinks I have enough bad habbits and one liners as it. :-)

Bit of trivia:
Rover had a 3.5 litre V8 that produced a hell of a punch 92 hp. WTF were
they on for that one? :-)


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"In all of us there is a lawless side like a wild beast, that peers out
during sleep"
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[Noddy]

"Dan---------" <esrakcussangam@thisaddy.com.ax> wrote in message
news:GbdOd.38

> LOL! the g/f thinks I have enough bad habbits and one liners as it. :-)

They get used to it.

The wife thinks I'm a complete arsehole, but is so used to me being that way
if I act well mannered she suspects me of doing something wrong :)

> Bit of trivia:
> Rover had a 3.5 litre V8 that produced a hell of a punch 92 hp. WTF were
> they on for that one? :-)

Anything English that makes over 80hp automatically qualifies as top fuel
material over there :)

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Regards,
Noddy.

[athol]

Neil Fisher <NeilFisher@_nospam_magnecor.com.au> wrote:
> athol <me@privacy.net>, after considering some belly-button fluf, wrote:


>>The injected VN V8 introduced new heads and a revised firing order
>>and hence altered camshaft but no crank change AFAIK.

> Ummm, you sure? They changed the valve order down the head(s) (hence
> the different cam), but AFAIK they didn't change the firing order.

I could be wrong. To be honest, I've never been interested enough
to look. I was under the impression that they adopted the SBC
firing order when they changed the cam.

--
Athol
<http://cust.idl.com.au/athol>
Linux Registered User # 254000
I'm a Libran Engineer. I don't argue, I discuss.

[Kieron]

On 7 Feb 2005 19:12:16 -0800, "Diesel Damo" <Diesel_4WD@yahoo.com.au>
wrote:

>> the knockers
>
>What??? I must have missed those pics! ;-)
>

Hehe. OK Sheik, your heard the man. We want a few topless chicks
draped across the gearbox in the next edition :)

[John McKenzie]

athol wrote:
>
> Neil Fisher <NeilFisher@_nospam_magnecor.com.au> wrote:
> > athol <me@privacy.net>, after considering some belly-button fluf, wrote:
>
> >>The injected VN V8 introduced new heads and a revised firing order
> >>and hence altered camshaft but no crank change AFAIK.
>
> > Ummm, you sure? They changed the valve order down the head(s) (hence
> > the different cam), but AFAIK they didn't change the firing order.
>
> I could be wrong. To be honest, I've never been interested enough
> to look. I was under the impression that they adopted the SBC
> firing order when they changed the cam.

When you say that, is it to say that they had a different crank hence
different firing order, or that they swapped a 'matching pair' (i.e. two
cylinders that both are at tdc at the same time) but retained the same
crank.

I'm tipping the crank is the same, and if there is a difference it's a
matched pair swap. Further on this, I'm certain that when a mates 308
(with efi heads) was put back together, the original firing order was
retained (I don't recall swapping it)

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[Dan---------]

Kieron wrote:

>
> Hehe. OK Sheik, your heard the man. We want a few topless chicks
> draped across the gearbox in the next edition :)

How bout this took me only a couple of seconds to do.

A **** of a job
<http://juststuff.95mb.com/>


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"In all of us there is a lawless side like a wild beast, that peers out
during sleep"
- Jim Steinman

[a9x5l]

On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 14:53:05 +1100, John McKenzie wrote:

> athol wrote:
>>
>> Neil Fisher <NeilFisher@_nospam_magnecor.com.au> wrote:
>> > athol <me@privacy.net>, after considering some belly-button fluf,
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >>The injected VN V8 introduced new heads and a revised firing order
>> >>and hence altered camshaft but no crank change AFAIK.
>>
>> > Ummm, you sure? They changed the valve order down the head(s) (hence
>> > the different cam), but AFAIK they didn't change the firing order.
>>
>> I could be wrong. To be honest, I've never been interested enough to
>> look. I was under the impression that they adopted the SBC firing
>> order when they changed the cam.
>
> When you say that, is it to say that they had a different crank hence
> different firing order, or that they swapped a 'matching pair' (i.e. two
> cylinders that both are at tdc at the same time) but retained the same
> crank.
>
> I'm tipping the crank is the same, and if there is a difference it's a
> matched pair swap. Further on this, I'm certain that when a mates 308
> (with efi heads) was put back together, the original firing order was
> retained (I don't recall swapping it)

When changing from early heads to EFI, you definitely have to change the
camshaft. The camshaft was revised to suit the different port spacings,
ie. early head uses siamese exhuast, like SBC, while the VN head is
symetrical. As for the firing order, AFAIK they are the same but I'd need
to check that, I have one of each type so I suppose I should have a look.

--
a9x5l

[D Walford]

Dan--------- wrote:
>
> Neil Fisher wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 12:24:53 +1100, Dan---------
> > <esrakcussangam@thisaddy.com.ax>, after considering some belly-button
> > fluf, wrote:
> >
>
> >
> > mission accomplished! ;-)
>
> Whoohoo. :-)
>
> >
> > Noddy MkII??? ;-))) Oh, that was low... ;-)
>
> Damn right if I was Noddy mark II I still need a lot of fine tuning
> still. :-)
>

Just contact him for the address of his "pharmacist":-)




Daryl

[Noddy]

"John McKenzie" <jmac@alphalink.com.au> wrote in message
news:42098921.1435@alphalink.com.au...

> I'm tipping the crank is the same, and if there is a difference it's a
> matched pair swap. Further on this, I'm certain that when a mates 308
> (with efi heads) was put back together, the original firing order was
> retained (I don't recall swapping it)

I thought they were all the same too....

--
Regards,
Noddy.

[Dan---------]

D Walford wrote:

>
> Just contact him for the address of his "pharmacist":-)

LOL I have enough pills with bizzar names on them to keep me occupied
for a while. :-)

--
Regards Dan
"In all of us there is a lawless side like a wild beast, that peers out
during sleep"
- Jim Steinman

[athol]

John McKenzie <jmac@alphalink.com.au> wrote:
> athol wrote:
>> Neil Fisher <NeilFisher@_nospam_magnecor.com.au> wrote:
>> > athol <me@privacy.net>, after considering some belly-button fluf, wrote:

>> >>The injected VN V8 introduced new heads and a revised firing order
>> >>and hence altered camshaft but no crank change AFAIK.

>> > Ummm, you sure? They changed the valve order down the head(s) (hence
>> > the different cam), but AFAIK they didn't change the firing order.

>> I could be wrong. To be honest, I've never been interested enough
>> to look. I was under the impression that they adopted the SBC
>> firing order when they changed the cam.

> When you say that, is it to say that they had a different crank hence
> different firing order, or that they swapped a 'matching pair' (i.e. two
> cylinders that both are at tdc at the same time) but retained the same
> crank.

Read what I posted that Neil responded to... It's still above.
"no crank change AFAIK."

The Holden and Chev cranks have the same journal phasing, which is
why it was possible to machine chev cranks down to the Holden main
journal size and clearance the block to stroke 308 blocks without
needing a special cam and a different firing order.

> I'm tipping the crank is the same, and if there is a difference it's a
> matched pair swap. Further on this, I'm certain that when a mates 308
> (with efi heads) was put back together, the original firing order was
> retained (I don't recall swapping it)

That's what Neil's saying. Obviously I've been outvoted. :-)

--
Athol
<http://cust.idl.com.au/athol>
Linux Registered User # 254000
I'm a Libran Engineer. I don't argue, I discuss.

[Kieron]

On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 02:36:40 GMT, "Noddy" <dg4163@_nospam_dod.com.au>
wrote:

>
>"Dan---------" <esrakcussangam@thisaddy.com.ax> wrote in message
>news:GbdOd.38
>
>> LOL! the g/f thinks I have enough bad habbits and one liners as it. :-)
>
>They get used to it.
>
>The wife thinks I'm a complete arsehole, but is so used to me being that way
>if I act well mannered she suspects me of doing something wrong :)

So were not the only ones then :)

>> Bit of trivia:
>> Rover had a 3.5 litre V8 that produced a hell of a punch 92 hp. WTF were
>> they on for that one? :-)
>
>Anything English that makes over 80hp automatically qualifies as top fuel
>material over there :)

Hehe, probably quite true as well!

[Kieron]

On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 14:51:00 +1100, Dan---------
<esrakcussangam@thisaddy.com.ax> wrote:

>Kieron wrote:
>
>>
>> Hehe. OK Sheik, your heard the man. We want a few topless chicks
>> draped across the gearbox in the next edition :)
>
>How bout this took me only a couple of seconds to do.
>
>A **** of a job
><http://juststuff.95mb.com/>

Hehe, nice box :)

[Dan---------]

Kieron wrote:

>>A **** of a job
>><http://juststuff.95mb.com/>
>
>
> Hehe, nice box :)

Cleanest thing on the damn transmission. :-)

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during sleep"
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[Fraser Johnston]

"Dan---------" <esrakcussangam@thisaddy.com.ax> wrote in message
news:yUONd.318$xQ2.8570@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au...

> Piston slap is usually caused by short sleeve pistons its generally
> harmless unless the piston is actually gouging the cylinder walls. Also an
> all alloy engine is more prone of mechanical sounds and a lot of people
> mistake slight lifter rattles or injector ticks for piston slap especially
> when cold. My 1st Gen 3 commode had no major mechanical drama's probably i
> ran it in properly and the Gen 3 in my Calais no issues at all it aint
> burning any oil or emits any strange sounds.


I suggest you start it. ; )

Fraser

[Dan---------]

Fraser Johnston wrote:


>
> I suggest you start it. ; )

I did this morning but the g/f drove me to the quaks for some check ups.
Sounded sweet as.


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[Noddy]

"Kieron" <kieronm302@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:420acd0a.144291828@203.50.2.233...

> So were not the only ones then :)

Definitely not :)

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Noddy.

[Noddy]

"Kieron" <kieronm302@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:420acd8f.144424937@203.50.2.233...

> Hehe, nice box :)

The turd looked like a nice bonnet emblem for the Magna as well :)

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Noddy.

[sheik yerbouti]

On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 03:08:27 GMT, kieronm302@hotmail.com (Kieron)
wrote:

>On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 22:30:43 +1100, sheik yerbouti <delbo21@yahoo.com>
>wrote:
>
>>>It's piss yer pants funny. I really didn't think there were people out there
>>>that rought and stupid these days :)
>>
>>eh i'm not sensitive about it, i can even laugh at myself. (which is a
>>lucky thing)
>
>Thats the way Sheik, I just read your manual and thought you were
>adding a bit of humour at your own expense, nothing at all wrong with
>that.
>
thanks keiron, finally someone who can recognise it for what it is.

im no mechanic, i couldn't care less what anyone thinks about my (lack
of) skills. i don't have all the tools or experience needed to the job
as well as a pro but i get it done, usually.

>>what makes me laugh is the elitism on this NG, everytime someone makes
>>what is perceived as a mistake it's custom to jump on them in order to
>>prove how knowledgable you are.
>
>Plenty of legends in ther own lunch boxes on the net, its the only
>place they can get to feel good :)

yes personally i find it a bit sad but it's hard to get the point
across, they're too busy trying to convince everyone how they could do
the job in 2 mins etc :)


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