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Tonny
05-02-2005, 02:03 AM
My next car in a couple of years will probably be a commodore wagon like now
but I just saw a nice V8 one is it worth the extra cash,fuel,rego to get one
for the performance or stick with the V6?
Thanks...

Fraser Johnston
05-02-2005, 02:14 AM
"Tonny" <Tonny@yahoo.com.> wrote in message
news:OaLMd.147503$K7.103516@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> My next car in a couple of years will probably be a commodore wagon like
> now
> but I just saw a nice V8 one is it worth the extra cash,fuel,rego to get
> one
> for the performance or stick with the V6?


Not really. Get a turbo 4 and get all the performance and none of the fuel
costs. Only reason to get a V8 is if you want to tow something or like the
sound they make.

Fraser

DalienX
05-02-2005, 05:04 AM
Fraser Johnston wrote:

>
> "Tonny" <Tonny@yahoo.com.> wrote in message
> news:OaLMd.147503$K7.103516@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> > My next car in a couple of years will probably be a commodore wagon
> > like now
> > but I just saw a nice V8 one is it worth the extra cash,fuel,rego
> > to get one
> > for the performance or stick with the V6?
>
>
> Not really. Get a turbo 4 and get all the performance and none of
> the fuel costs. Only reason to get a V8 is if you want to tow
> something or like the sound they make.
>
> Fraser

rubbish, turbo 4's use just as much fuel as a modern V8, if not more
and they break a lot sooner.

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DalienX

C Bell
05-02-2005, 05:23 AM
> rubbish, turbo 4's use just as much fuel as a modern V8, if not more
> and they break a lot sooner.
>

Not sooner than a GenIII, bwhahaha...

Hugo-a-Gogo
05-02-2005, 08:03 AM
On Sat, 5 Feb 2005 04:16:48 +1100, "C Bell" <spamurself@iinet.net.au>
wrote:

>
>> rubbish, turbo 4's use just as much fuel as a modern V8, if not more
>> and they break a lot sooner.
>>
>
>Not sooner than a GenIII, bwhahaha...
>


PFFFFFFFFT

Noddy
05-02-2005, 08:33 AM
"Tonny" <Tonny@yahoo.com.> wrote in message
news:OaLMd.147503$K7.103516@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> My next car in a couple of years will probably be a commodore wagon like
> now
> but I just saw a nice V8 one is it worth the extra cash,fuel,rego to get
> one
> for the performance or stick with the V6?

That's totally dependent on what you enjoy.

I think the Commodore wagon is an extremely good looking car, and a V8
version would be great, but I would stay clear of anything earlier than a VX
if you want to ensure you have reasonably hassle free motoring.

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Regards,
Noddy.

Noddy
05-02-2005, 08:33 AM
"Fraser Johnston" <fraser@jcis.com.au> wrote in message
news:36he87F51co18U1@individual.net...

> Not really. Get a turbo 4 and get all the performance and none of the
> fuel costs. Only reason to get a V8 is if you want to tow something or
> like the sound they make.

Or if you enjoy the feeling of instant off idle torque...

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Regards,
Noddy.

Jason James
05-02-2005, 08:53 AM
"Tonny" <Tonny@yahoo.com.> wrote in message
news:OaLMd.147503$K7.103516@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> My next car in a couple of years will probably be a commodore wagon like
now
> but I just saw a nice V8 one is it worth the extra cash,fuel,rego to get
one
> for the performance or stick with the V6?
> Thanks...


Modern V8s bear little resemblance economy-wise to the older V8s. They've
engineered fuel economy into these engines with EFI systems and head-design
which leave them still heavier than a V6, but not that much so.

If you like no-frills back-shoving power when you mash the throttle with no
turbo spool-up delay and the inevitable maintenance associated with
turbos,...skip the littleys and go eight-mate!

(never sell the clevo)

Jason

Sam Reed
05-02-2005, 11:33 AM
Bullshit.
"C Bell" <spamurself@iinet.net.au> wrote in message
news:4203adfc$0$21441$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>
> > rubbish, turbo 4's use just as much fuel as a modern V8, if not more
> > and they break a lot sooner.
> >
>
> Not sooner than a GenIII, bwhahaha...
>
>

Arnie
05-02-2005, 02:33 PM
"Tonny" <Tonny@yahoo.com.> wrote in message
news:OaLMd.147503$K7.103516@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> My next car in a couple of years will probably be a commodore wagon like
now
> but I just saw a nice V8 one is it worth the extra cash,fuel,rego to get
one
> for the performance or stick with the V6?
> Thanks...

If I was in the market for a late model Commo wagon (VT+), I would
definitely go the Gen3 V8 version. Apart from the immense difference in
performance, the V8 versions tend to hold their value better than the V6.
Unless you intend to hold onto the car forever, resale value would have to
factor.
Driven normally the V8 doesn't really suck much more fuel. However, if you
bought a V8 to drive it normally all the time, you are gay! :P

sheik yerbouti
05-02-2005, 02:53 PM
On Fri, 04 Feb 2005 20:30:21 GMT, "Noddy" <dg4163@_nospam_dod.com.au>
wrote:

>
>"Fraser Johnston" <fraser@jcis.com.au> wrote in message
>news:36he87F51co18U1@individual.net...
>
>> Not really. Get a turbo 4 and get all the performance and none of the
>> fuel costs. Only reason to get a V8 is if you want to tow something or
>> like the sound they make.
>
>Or if you enjoy the feeling of instant off idle torque...

the gen3 isn't real good at that tho


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sheik yerbouti
05-02-2005, 02:53 PM
On Sat, 5 Feb 2005 07:49:16 +1100, "Jason James"
<vellicet@bigpond.com> wrote:


>Modern V8s bear little resemblance economy-wise to the older V8s. They've
>engineered fuel economy into these engines with EFI systems and head-design
>which leave them still heavier than a V6, but not that much so.

the biggest innovation has been the invention of the 6th gear :)


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Fraser Johnston
05-02-2005, 04:44 PM
"DalienX" <somewhere@earth.com> wrote in message
news:PPNMd.147556$K7.115516@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> Fraser Johnston wrote:
>
>>
>> "Tonny" <Tonny@yahoo.com.> wrote in message
>> news:OaLMd.147503$K7.103516@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>> > My next car in a couple of years will probably be a commodore wagon
>> > like now
>> > but I just saw a nice V8 one is it worth the extra cash,fuel,rego
>> > to get one
>> > for the performance or stick with the V6?
>>
>>
>> Not really. Get a turbo 4 and get all the performance and none of
>> the fuel costs. Only reason to get a V8 is if you want to tow
>> something or like the sound they make.
>>
>> Fraser
>
> rubbish, turbo 4's use just as much fuel as a modern V8, if not more
> and they break a lot sooner.

How come I get 400ks on a tank with my WRX and my mates BA ute gets the same
ks with his 70 litre tank?

Fraser

Patrick Young
05-02-2005, 04:53 PM
Fraser Johnston wrote:

> How come I get 400ks on a tank with my WRX and my mates BA ute gets the same
> ks with his 70 litre tank?

Oh dear. I have a huge bull bar equipped, child killing, 4x4 and can get
800km from 73l

Leanne
05-02-2005, 05:53 PM
> rubbish, turbo 4's use just as much fuel as a modern V8, if not more
> and they break a lot sooner.


rubbish!

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Leanne

Hugo-a-Gogo
05-02-2005, 06:03 PM
On Sat, 05 Feb 2005 13:41:27 +1100, sheik yerbouti <delbo21@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>On Fri, 04 Feb 2005 20:30:21 GMT, "Noddy" <dg4163@_nospam_dod.com.au>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>"Fraser Johnston" <fraser@jcis.com.au> wrote in message
>>news:36he87F51co18U1@individual.net...
>>
>>> Not really. Get a turbo 4 and get all the performance and none of the
>>> fuel costs. Only reason to get a V8 is if you want to tow something or
>>> like the sound they make.
>>
>>Or if you enjoy the feeling of instant off idle torque...
>
>the gen3 isn't real good at that tho
>
nah... it really does need about 5km/h on the clock before it will
just go if you press the peddle.

athol
05-02-2005, 06:33 PM
Fraser Johnston <fraser@jcis.com.au> wrote:

> How come I get 400ks on a tank with my WRX and my mates BA ute gets the same
> ks with his 70 litre tank?

You're kidding, right?

I'm getting 700 to 800km from an 88L tank in an AU2 LPG wagon.

Remember, the LPG cars are supposed to get worse economy than
the equivalent petrol model, and the wagons aren't the most
aerodynamic shape...

Sounds like he's getting about the same as the Volvo does when
seriously out of tune FFS! I've got a lot of things that I
can do to get more efficiency (power _and_ economy) out of the
Volvo. Just need to find the time...

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Athol
<http://cust.idl.com.au/athol>
Linux Registered User # 254000
I'm a Libran Engineer. I don't argue, I discuss.

athol
05-02-2005, 06:43 PM
Patrick Young <patrick@hilux.ace.unsw.edu.au> wrote:
> Fraser Johnston wrote:

>> How come I get 400ks on a tank with my WRX and my mates BA ute gets the same
>> ks with his 70 litre tank?

> Oh dear. I have a huge bull bar equipped, child killing, 4x4 and can get
> 800km from 73l

If we correct for fuel energy density/CO emissions, my big obese Falcon
getting 700 to 800 from 88L of LPG beats that. :-) If we calculate in
$/km, I still win. :-p

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Athol
<http://cust.idl.com.au/athol>
Linux Registered User # 254000
I'm a Libran Engineer. I don't argue, I discuss.

OzOne
05-02-2005, 07:03 PM
On Sat, 5 Feb 2005 16:15:36 +1030, "Leanne" <ldss1@bigpond.com>
scribbled thusly:

>> rubbish, turbo 4's use just as much fuel as a modern V8, if not more
>> and they break a lot sooner.
>
>
>rubbish!

Hey Leanne, do you know what it takes to make horsepower?

Yep, that's right PETROL and there's only so much energy in each
little drop!

As for breaking..maybe you could talk to a mechanic about how many
high stressed 4's he's fixed compared to lumbering V8s.





Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

sheik yerbouti
05-02-2005, 07:23 PM
On Sat, 05 Feb 2005 17:59:50 +1100, OzOne <> wrote:

>
>Hey Leanne, do you know what it takes to make horsepower?
>
>Yep, that's right PETROL and there's only so much energy in each
>little drop!
>
>As for breaking..maybe you could talk to a mechanic about how many
>high stressed 4's he's fixed compared to lumbering V8s.
>
you're basically right but there are significantly greater pumping
losses in a v8




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