Foxtel Digital + S-Video Ouput + DVD Recorder = B&W Image

[Bob Your Uncle]

Hi everyone,
I'm going absolutely nuts.

I decided I wanted to get rid of the SCART > RCA link to my DVD Recorder
DVR-510H-S and link it with an SCART > S-Video cable.

I bought a converter
(http://www.dse.com.au/cgi-bin/dse.storefront/en/product/P6675) and a couple
of S-Video cables
(http://www.dse.com.au/cgi-bin/dse.storefront/en/product/C1234 ) and put the
whole thing together.

I updated the Foxtel Box to output to S-Video instead of PAL, and it all
came together..... except the picture in B&W. I have checked my connections,
checked the DVD recorder settings for the input, and it hates me.

Has anyone else had this problem and found a solution?

Regards,
Bob

[Bob Your Uncle]

I forgot to mention,

If I put the Foxtel connection directly to the TV, it works fine....

Also, my PS2, which I plug into the DVD Recorder via S-Video works fine.
It appears to be just a problem with the Digital Foxtel going through the
recorder.

- Bob

"Bob Your Uncle" <noemail@for.me> wrote in message
news:42075b10$0$29796$c30e37c6@lon-reader.news.telstra.net...
> Hi everyone,
> I'm going absolutely nuts.
>
> I decided I wanted to get rid of the SCART > RCA link to my DVD Recorder
> DVR-510H-S and link it with an SCART > S-Video cable.
>
> I bought a converter
> (http://www.dse.com.au/cgi-bin/dse.storefront/en/product/P6675) and a
> couple of S-Video cables
> (http://www.dse.com.au/cgi-bin/dse.storefront/en/product/C1234 ) and put
> the whole thing together.
>
> I updated the Foxtel Box to output to S-Video instead of PAL, and it all
> came together..... except the picture in B&W. I have checked my
> connections, checked the DVD recorder settings for the input, and it hates
> me.
>
> Has anyone else had this problem and found a solution?
>
> Regards,
> Bob
>

[Gilgamesh]

"Bob Your Uncle" <noemail@for.me> wrote in message
news:42075b10$0$29796$c30e37c6@lon-reader.news.telstra.net...
> Hi everyone,
> I'm going absolutely nuts.
>
> I decided I wanted to get rid of the SCART > RCA link to my DVD Recorder
> DVR-510H-S and link it with an SCART > S-Video cable.
>
> I bought a converter
> (http://www.dse.com.au/cgi-bin/dse.storefront/en/product/P6675) and a
> couple of S-Video cables
> (http://www.dse.com.au/cgi-bin/dse.storefront/en/product/C1234 ) and put
> the whole thing together.
>
> I updated the Foxtel Box to output to S-Video instead of PAL, and it all

You will still want PAL regardless of your type of cabling.
Its the TV signal standard here in Aus.

> came together..... except the picture in B&W. I have checked my
> connections, checked the DVD recorder settings for the input, and it hates
> me.
>
> Has anyone else had this problem and found a solution?
>
> Regards,
> Bob
>

[Bob Your Uncle]

Hey Gilgamesh,
If I set it back to PAL, the picture quality is shocking, coming through the
S-Video input.

The picture quality through the S-Video setting is awesome... just in very
faint colours (practically B&W)... actually, the more I look at it, REDs
appear ok.... wierd.


"Gilgamesh" <gilgamesh@spam.me.not.com> wrote in message
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> "Bob Your Uncle" <noemail@for.me> wrote in message
> news:42075b10$0$29796$c30e37c6@lon-reader.news.telstra.net...
>> Hi everyone,
>> I'm going absolutely nuts.
>>
>> I decided I wanted to get rid of the SCART > RCA link to my DVD Recorder
>> DVR-510H-S and link it with an SCART > S-Video cable.
>>
>> I bought a converter
>> (http://www.dse.com.au/cgi-bin/dse.storefront/en/product/P6675) and a
>> couple of S-Video cables
>> (http://www.dse.com.au/cgi-bin/dse.storefront/en/product/C1234 ) and put
>> the whole thing together.
>>
>> I updated the Foxtel Box to output to S-Video instead of PAL, and it all
>
> You will still want PAL regardless of your type of cabling.
> Its the TV signal standard here in Aus.
>
>> came together..... except the picture in B&W. I have checked my
>> connections, checked the DVD recorder settings for the input, and it
>> hates me.
>>
>> Has anyone else had this problem and found a solution?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Bob
>>
>
>

[grant]

On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 23:11:57 +1100, "Bob Your Uncle" <noemail@for.me>
wrote:

>Hi everyone,
>I'm going absolutely nuts.
>
>I decided I wanted to get rid of the SCART > RCA link to my DVD Recorder
>DVR-510H-S and link it with an SCART > S-Video cable.
>
>I bought a converter
>(http://www.dse.com.au/cgi-bin/dse.storefront/en/product/P6675) and a couple
>of S-Video cables
>(http://www.dse.com.au/cgi-bin/dse.storefront/en/product/C1234 ) and put the
>whole thing together.
>
>I updated the Foxtel Box to output to S-Video instead of PAL, and it all
>came together..... except the picture in B&W. I have checked my connections,
>checked the DVD recorder settings for the input, and it hates me.
>
>Has anyone else had this problem and found a solution?
>
>Regards,
>Bob

Fox digital box office has macro copy protection which is why it comes
out in b/w when recording.

Solution is video stabalizer cords which can be buoght at Dick Smiths
for $80 or there abouts.

[Venus]

Hi everyone,
I'm going absolutely nuts.

I decided I wanted to get rid of the SCART > RCA link to my DVD Recorder
DVR-510H-S and link it with an SCART > S-Video cable.

I bought a converter
(http://www.dse.com.au/cgi-bin/dse.storefront/en/product/P6675) and a couple
of S-Video cables
(http://www.dse.com.au/cgi-bin/dse.storefront/en/product/C1234 ) and put the
whole thing together.

I updated the Foxtel Box to output to S-Video instead of PAL, and it all
came together..... except the picture in B&W. I have checked my connections,
checked the DVD recorder settings for the input, and it hates me.

Has anyone else had this problem and found a solution?

Regards,
Bob


Is that a Pioneer DVD recorder? According to some posts on the dtv forum, there is a problem with s-video from foxtel to some pioneer plasma screens. Maybe your recorder has the same issue? Does your DVD recorder take RGB? I have mine going to my panasoninc DVD recorder via RGB and the picture is great.

[Zos]

"Venus" <Venus.1k3xlr@no-mx.forums.eyo.com.au> wrote in message
news:Venus.1k3xlr@no-mx.forums.eyo.com.au...
>
> Bob Your Uncle Wrote:
>> Hi everyone,
>> I'm going absolutely nuts.
>>
>> I decided I wanted to get rid of the SCART > RCA link to my DVD
>> Recorder
>> DVR-510H-S and link it with an SCART > S-Video cable.
>>
>> I bought a converter
>> (http://www.dse.com.au/cgi-bin/dse.storefront/en/product/P6675) and a
>> couple
>> of S-Video cables
>> (http://www.dse.com.au/cgi-bin/dse.storefront/en/product/C1234 ) and
>> put the
>> whole thing together.
>>
>> I updated the Foxtel Box to output to S-Video instead of PAL, and it
>> all
>> came together..... except the picture in B&W. I have checked my
>> connections,
>> checked the DVD recorder settings for the input, and it hates me.
>>
>> Has anyone else had this problem and found a solution?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Bob
>
>
> Is that a Pioneer DVD recorder? According to some posts on the dtv
> forum, there is a problem with s-video from foxtel to some pioneer
> plasma screens. Maybe your recorder has the same issue? Does your DVD
> recorder take RGB? I have mine going to my panasoninc DVD recorder via
> RGB and the picture is great.
>
>
> --
> Venus

First I think he means composite when referring to pal (common mistake) on
Foxtel (pace box) I do know that when one scart is set to s video both
output s video IE: you cant set each different as you could on some of the
older pre digital boxes. But there are other connections on the box at least
for composite/rf. The only thing I can think off for the recorder is to make
sure its set to receive recordings in s video(no idea if recorders do that)
and test both scarts direct to make sure there outputting s video. And if
you can pass s video through the recorder then My guess is a setting on the
recorder or a recording fault which would require advice from the
manufacture to see if its a fault or a feature you cant change.
Zos

[Falco]

I have Austar and a Pioneer 510 (same as bob your uncle)
I have s-video going into my Pioneer 510 (input 3) from my Austar decoder
and don't have any problems recording.
I would say its a problem with the Foxtel decoder.



"Zos" <oztria@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
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>
> "Venus" <Venus.1k3xlr@no-mx.forums.eyo.com.au> wrote in message
> news:Venus.1k3xlr@no-mx.forums.eyo.com.au...
>>
>> Bob Your Uncle Wrote:
>>> Hi everyone,
>>> I'm going absolutely nuts.
>>>
>>> I decided I wanted to get rid of the SCART > RCA link to my DVD
>>> Recorder
>>> DVR-510H-S and link it with an SCART > S-Video cable.
>>>
>>> I bought a converter
>>> (http://www.dse.com.au/cgi-bin/dse.storefront/en/product/P6675) and a
>>> couple
>>> of S-Video cables
>>> (http://www.dse.com.au/cgi-bin/dse.storefront/en/product/C1234 ) and
>>> put the
>>> whole thing together.
>>>
>>> I updated the Foxtel Box to output to S-Video instead of PAL, and it
>>> all
>>> came together..... except the picture in B&W. I have checked my
>>> connections,
>>> checked the DVD recorder settings for the input, and it hates me.
>>>
>>> Has anyone else had this problem and found a solution?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Bob
>>
>>
>> Is that a Pioneer DVD recorder? According to some posts on the dtv
>> forum, there is a problem with s-video from foxtel to some pioneer
>> plasma screens. Maybe your recorder has the same issue? Does your DVD
>> recorder take RGB? I have mine going to my panasoninc DVD recorder via
>> RGB and the picture is great.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Venus
>
> First I think he means composite when referring to pal (common mistake) on
> Foxtel (pace box) I do know that when one scart is set to s video both
> output s video IE: you cant set each different as you could on some of the
> older pre digital boxes. But there are other connections on the box at
> least for composite/rf. The only thing I can think off for the recorder is
> to make sure its set to receive recordings in s video(no idea if recorders
> do that) and test both scarts direct to make sure there outputting s
> video. And if you can pass s video through the recorder then My guess is a
> setting on the recorder or a recording fault which would require advice
> from the manufacture to see if its a fault or a feature you cant change.
> Zos
>

[Michael]

That's the way it's labelled in the UEC Foxtel STB menu. You can pick
PAL(which should be labelled composite), S-Video, or RGB.

"Gilgamesh" <gilgamesh@spam.me.not.com> wrote in message
news:42075e9b$1_1@news.iprimus.com.au...
> You will still want PAL regardless of your type of cabling.
> Its the TV signal standard here in Aus.

[Michael]

On the UEC box, only one output does RGB, S-video and composite. The other
SCART plug only has composite connections. Maybe he has it connected to the
wrong SCART plug?

"Zos" <oztria@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
news:bBTNd.151921$K7.15012@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> First I think he means composite when referring to pal (common mistake) on
> Foxtel (pace box) I do know that when one scart is set to s video both
> output s video

[David Williams]

> First I think he means composite when referring to pal (common mistake) on
> Foxtel (pace box) I do know that when one scart is set to s video both
> output s video IE: you cant set each different as you could on some of the
> older pre digital boxes. But there are other connections on the box at
> least for composite/rf. The only thing I can think off for the recorder is
> to make sure its set to receive recordings in s video(no idea if recorders
> do that) and test both scarts direct to make sure there outputting s
> video. And if you can pass s video through the recorder then My guess is a
> setting on the recorder or a recording fault which would require advice
> from the manufacture to see if its a fault or a feature you cant change.
> Zos

Just another thought as well - do you have the Composite lead connected as
well as the S-Video one? Try unplugging the composite.

[Venus]

On the UEC box, only one output does RGB, S-video and composite. The other
SCART plug only has composite connections. Maybe he has it connected to the
wrong SCART plug?

"Zos" <oztria@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
news:bBTNd.151921$K7.15012@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> First I think he means composite when referring to pal (common mistake) on
> Foxtel (pace box) I do know that when one scart is set to s video both
> output s video


On my UEC, if you change the output to s-video, both scarts change to s-video. It's actually a pain. If you change to RGB, the AUX scart is composite.

[Gilgamesh]

"Michael" <quadhammerNO@SPICEDHAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4208342b$0$1022$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au ...
> That's the way it's labelled in the UEC Foxtel STB menu. You can pick
> PAL(which should be labelled composite), S-Video, or RGB.

OK, problem is clearer now.

>
> "Gilgamesh" <gilgamesh@spam.me.not.com> wrote in message
> news:42075e9b$1_1@news.iprimus.com.au...
>> You will still want PAL regardless of your type of cabling.
>> Its the TV signal standard here in Aus.
>
>

[Evil Brian]

I had a similar problem when I first hooked up my system. It turned out to
be a dud S-Video cable (cheap ones are very temperamental). You said that
sending the Foxtel connection directly to the TV was fine, so that would
indicate that the S-video cable from the STB to the DVD recorder might be
faulty.

Try connecting the STB directly to the TV using that s-video cable and see
what you get.


"David Williams" <williams@nospam.smartchat.net.au> wrote in message
news:420849f8$1@duster.adelaide.on.net...
>> First I think he means composite when referring to pal (common mistake)
>> on Foxtel (pace box) I do know that when one scart is set to s video both
>> output s video IE: you cant set each different as you could on some of
>> the older pre digital boxes. But there are other connections on the box
>> at least for composite/rf. The only thing I can think off for the
>> recorder is to make sure its set to receive recordings in s video(no idea
>> if recorders do that) and test both scarts direct to make sure there
>> outputting s video. And if you can pass s video through the recorder then
>> My guess is a setting on the recorder or a recording fault which would
>> require advice from the manufacture to see if its a fault or a feature
>> you cant change.
>> Zos
>
> Just another thought as well - do you have the Composite lead connected as
> well as the S-Video one? Try unplugging the composite.
>

[Bob Your Uncle]

Hey all!
Thank you all so much for your help.
Having spent many an hour tweaking and playing with this thing, trying to
get it right, my final conclusion is that it could be very well be the
Pioneer 501H... and in summary (to try and answer some of your questions /
comments):

- I checked the S-Video cables, and they are okay.
- both SCART ports from the Foxtel box produce the same 'pale colours'
- this occurs for all channels of Foxtel, not just the Premium channels -
however the advice how to get around this is great, and once I get this
S-Video thing sorted out, I may try your advice. :)

I'm not feeling too well today, and taking a day off work to see the
doctor... I'm going to contact Pioneer support and see if they've had this
problem before... other than that, the Foxtel techie is coming out soon
anyway for another issue (not-related to this) - so while support is here,
I'll get them to look at this problem too.

Thanks again for all your help, I'll let you know how I go :)

- Bob

"Bob Your Uncle" <noemail@for.me> wrote in message
news:42075b10$0$29796$c30e37c6@lon-reader.news.telstra.net...
> Hi everyone,
> I'm going absolutely nuts.
>
> I decided I wanted to get rid of the SCART > RCA link to my DVD Recorder
> DVR-510H-S and link it with an SCART > S-Video cable.
>
> I bought a converter
> (http://www.dse.com.au/cgi-bin/dse.storefront/en/product/P6675) and a
> couple of S-Video cables
> (http://www.dse.com.au/cgi-bin/dse.storefront/en/product/C1234 ) and put
> the whole thing together.
>
> I updated the Foxtel Box to output to S-Video instead of PAL, and it all
> came together..... except the picture in B&W. I have checked my
> connections, checked the DVD recorder settings for the input, and it hates
> me.
>
> Has anyone else had this problem and found a solution?
>
> Regards,
> Bob
>

[Bob Your Uncle]

Oh, and (I forgot to add)
I can plug my PS2 into the S-Video port of the Pioneer 501H and the image
comes out perfectly...... so the ports themselves must be okay..

The mystery gets deeper :) - I'll let you know how tech support goes :)

- Bob
"Bob Your Uncle" <noemail@for.me> wrote in message
news:420a6a99$0$29783$c30e37c6@lon-reader.news.telstra.net...
> Hey all!
> Thank you all so much for your help.
> Having spent many an hour tweaking and playing with this thing, trying to
> get it right, my final conclusion is that it could be very well be the
> Pioneer 501H... and in summary (to try and answer some of your questions /
> comments):
>
> - I checked the S-Video cables, and they are okay.
> - both SCART ports from the Foxtel box produce the same 'pale colours'
> - this occurs for all channels of Foxtel, not just the Premium channels -
> however the advice how to get around this is great, and once I get this
> S-Video thing sorted out, I may try your advice. :)
>
> I'm not feeling too well today, and taking a day off work to see the
> doctor... I'm going to contact Pioneer support and see if they've had this
> problem before... other than that, the Foxtel techie is coming out soon
> anyway for another issue (not-related to this) - so while support is here,
> I'll get them to look at this problem too.
>
> Thanks again for all your help, I'll let you know how I go :)
>
> - Bob
>
> "Bob Your Uncle" <noemail@for.me> wrote in message
> news:42075b10$0$29796$c30e37c6@lon-reader.news.telstra.net...
>> Hi everyone,
>> I'm going absolutely nuts.
>>
>> I decided I wanted to get rid of the SCART > RCA link to my DVD Recorder
>> DVR-510H-S and link it with an SCART > S-Video cable.
>>
>> I bought a converter
>> (http://www.dse.com.au/cgi-bin/dse.storefront/en/product/P6675) and a
>> couple of S-Video cables
>> (http://www.dse.com.au/cgi-bin/dse.storefront/en/product/C1234 ) and put
>> the whole thing together.
>>
>> I updated the Foxtel Box to output to S-Video instead of PAL, and it all
>> came together..... except the picture in B&W. I have checked my
>> connections, checked the DVD recorder settings for the input, and it
>> hates me.
>>
>> Has anyone else had this problem and found a solution?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Bob
>>
>
>

[Bob Your Uncle]

Having just gotten off the phone with Pioneer support, they said they have
had a few people complain of this issue and it may have something to do with
the signal strength coming from Foxtel - it may not be strong enough.

When Foxtel come out on the 19th to have a look at a different problem, I'll
ask them to investigate this problem too.

Cross fingers,

- Bob

[Byron Forbes]

"Bob Your Uncle" <noemail@for.me> wrote in message
news:420abfb7$0$29782$c30e37c6@lon-reader.news.telstra.net...
> Having just gotten off the phone with Pioneer support, they said they have
> had a few people complain of this issue and it may have something to do
> with the signal strength coming from Foxtel - it may not be strong enough.
>
> When Foxtel come out on the 19th to have a look at a different problem,
> I'll ask them to investigate this problem too.
>

So, then, have you tried with only the one plug plugged into the back of
the fox stu? Maybe if you're running 2 signals out of it simultaneously it
depletes the signal to the point where the rec says "no thanks".

[fred]

Go into picture settings under system setup and change the Video output to
pal or rgb. I have the same problem.


"Byron Forbes" <caramel@chocoalte.com.au> wrote in message
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>
> "Bob Your Uncle" <noemail@for.me> wrote in message
> news:420abfb7$0$29782$c30e37c6@lon-reader.news.telstra.net...
>> Having just gotten off the phone with Pioneer support, they said they
>> have had a few people complain of this issue and it may have something to
>> do with the signal strength coming from Foxtel - it may not be strong
>> enough.
>>
>> When Foxtel come out on the 19th to have a look at a different problem,
>> I'll ask them to investigate this problem too.
>>
>
> So, then, have you tried with only the one plug plugged into the back
> of the fox stu? Maybe if you're running 2 signals out of it simultaneously
> it depletes the signal to the point where the rec says "no thanks".
>

[fred]

Btw I meant in the foxtel box.


"fred" <fred@fred.com> wrote in message news:420c755f$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
> Go into picture settings under system setup and change the Video output to
> pal or rgb. I have the same problem.
>
>
> "Byron Forbes" <caramel@chocoalte.com.au> wrote in message
> news:420c7479$0$27618$61c65585@un-2park-reader-02.sydney.pipenetworks.com.au...
>>
>> "Bob Your Uncle" <noemail@for.me> wrote in message
>> news:420abfb7$0$29782$c30e37c6@lon-reader.news.telstra.net...
>>> Having just gotten off the phone with Pioneer support, they said they
>>> have had a few people complain of this issue and it may have something
>>> to do with the signal strength coming from Foxtel - it may not be strong
>>> enough.
>>>
>>> When Foxtel come out on the 19th to have a look at a different problem,
>>> I'll ask them to investigate this problem too.
>>>
>>
>> So, then, have you tried with only the one plug plugged into the back
>> of the fox stu? Maybe if you're running 2 signals out of it
>> simultaneously it depletes the signal to the point where the rec says "no
>> thanks".
>>
>
>