FS: VAF Signature I-66 speakers

[Ayn Marx]

Patrick Turner wrote:
> I did have a desire to aquire a pair of Quad ESL57, but after
> seeing what can go wrong with them, and how much
> it costs to fix them, I doubt I'd ever want to pay
> more than $400 for a pair that appear to be OK.
> I don't have the spare cash to buy a pair at say $1,000, then be
forced
> to have someone
> else tinker with them for another grand a few years later when the
high
> voltage
> charges start to fail.
> To fully rebuild a pair would cost about $2,400 including freight.
> I heard someone whinging that he paid $10,000 in tax last year.
> He could easily afford to muck around with ancient Quads.
> I said to this fellow, "gee, if only I earned that much..."
> This guy watches every bleeding cent and is tight as a fish's A.

Why bother with silly old 57's and the consequent expense & heartache;
not to mention the headaches that comes from having to wear a head
brace to keep the soundstage intact? If I was hankering for a panel
speaker, which I'm not, I'd go for a pair of 2nd hand Maggnaplannars or
if feeling rich a pair of Ambience Reference 1600's. Both of which
leave 57's & the newer Quads with their pants around their fragile
ankles.
I had a very bad experience with Mr Halls 'mods' to a pair of 67's and
a friend was driven insane with his endless mucking around with his
57's. Others swear he's the best.

[Ayn Marx]

Patrick Turner wrote:
Snip<.......
> Quad ESL57 are famous for their
> imaging, but two ppl sitting side by side cannot share that image,
and one
> person will send a percieved performer zooming back and forth across
the stage
> just by rocking side to side in his chair.

Easily solved Pat. Stack Quad 57's in pairs & have you and your guest
sit on the 2nd and 5th rung of a ladder placed just so.

[Patrick Turner]

Ayn Marx wrote:

> Patrick Turner wrote:
> > I did have a desire to aquire a pair of Quad ESL57, but after
> > seeing what can go wrong with them, and how much
> > it costs to fix them, I doubt I'd ever want to pay
> > more than $400 for a pair that appear to be OK.
> > I don't have the spare cash to buy a pair at say $1,000, then be
> forced
> > to have someone
> > else tinker with them for another grand a few years later when the
> high
> > voltage
> > charges start to fail.
> > To fully rebuild a pair would cost about $2,400 including freight.
> > I heard someone whinging that he paid $10,000 in tax last year.
> > He could easily afford to muck around with ancient Quads.
> > I said to this fellow, "gee, if only I earned that much..."
> > This guy watches every bleeding cent and is tight as a fish's A.
>
> Why bother with silly old 57's and the consequent expense & heartache;
> not to mention the headaches that comes from having to wear a head
> brace to keep the soundstage intact? If I was hankering for a panel
> speaker, which I'm not, I'd go for a pair of 2nd hand Maggnaplannars or
> if feeling rich a pair of Ambience Reference 1600's. Both of which
> leave 57's & the newer Quads with their pants around their fragile
> ankles.

Gee, I ain't so sure about the maggies. I did an AB test here a few year
back with an
an inferior-to-what-I-got-now set of speakers, and mine killed the maggies.

I dunno about Ambience. A cheap sh pair is out of range....
I'd like a lotta things, maybe Martin Logans, Acustats, Quad 63, 989, etc,
but
perhaps I'll go to the grave without them.
Meanwhile, the SEAS drivers in the boxes I made seem to do OK,
and not too many ppl have any complaints.
I sometimes think if I abandoned cost concerns and used
4 woofers, 4 midranges, and 4 tweeters in columns, it might sound somewhat
better,
since the drivers would only have to produce 1/4 of the power each
that they do now.
If a ribbon sounds good at 2 metres long, why not a column of small dynamic
drivers?


>
> I had a very bad experience with Mr Halls 'mods' to a pair of 67's and
> a friend was driven insane with his endless mucking around with his
> 57's. Others swear he's the best.

Yes, but its not as if there are 20 different service agents just down the
road.

There simply are not a great number of ppl with any idea of how to go about

fixing ancient ESLs.
WTF am I to advise my client who just wants his speaker fixed?

Anyway, I will see what happens.....

Ppl shouldn't worry about expense attatched to their hobby.
It appalls me to see blokes whinging about the cost of a speaker or amp,
or new tubes, when they arrive at my door in a car worth $50,000.
But I remain silent about how they value things and spend their dollars,
but I do see such gross inconsistencies.....
Which do you spend on, is it a vehicle to make one feel big and proud, and
thus maintain an image, or is it on what you love, presumably your wife if
you have one,
or your music which supports your soul?

Frankly, I try to spend SFA on my car, a 1986 Laser.
The car is merely a link to my pals, and means to get to cultural
happenings.
Its not bad for shopping either, but I stay clear of David Jones.
The roads are so fabulous in the ACT I don't need any more.
I see ppl with huge 4wd, and I smile.....

Patrick Turner.

[Patrick Turner]

Ayn Marx wrote:

> Patrick Turner wrote:
> Snip<.......
> > Quad ESL57 are famous for their
> > imaging, but two ppl sitting side by side cannot share that image,
> and one
> > person will send a percieved performer zooming back and forth across
> the stage
> > just by rocking side to side in his chair.
>
> Easily solved Pat. Stack Quad 57's in pairs & have you and your guest
> sit on the 2nd and 5th rung of a ladder placed just so.

That makes it very awkward to make love whilst listening to music
with Kylie and Nicole perched up
at 3 and 5 feet above the deck.
Bloomin dangerous at my time of life.
Then there are all the arguments about who gets the top seat.
The one on the bottom complains about having to fetch the drinks.....

Anyway, most sheilas have such better hearing than us men that they make
do
with appalling sound gear, so when they hear a bit of good sound here they

don't need the extremes you mention.
One didn't like the look of my speakers when she met them for the first
time.
(Heck, they all hate the look of large speakers.)
But this one liked country and western. Hard to take it was, but she was
good at other things...
Anyway, she put on some Garth Brookes, and she melted; sooooo much better
than her 1976
Pioneer system she had gotten used to.
Garth sounded positively sexy on my gear. Its why he is so successful.

John Williamson couldn't sing a love song if his life depended on it.
But when he sings about Our Don, he'd make you weep.....

The better systems yank the heart strings;
If somebody has a gift, it more likely is heard....

Patrick Turner.

[Adam F]

"Patrick Turner" <info@turneraudio.com.au> wrote in message
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>
>
> That makes it very awkward to make love whilst listening to music
> with Kylie and Nicole perched up
> at 3 and 5 feet above the deck.
> Bloomin dangerous at my time of life.
> Then there are all the arguments about who gets the top seat.
> The one on the bottom complains about having to fetch the drinks.....


You're on to different kind of sweet spot now...


//Adam F

[Ben Thomas]

Patrick Turner wrote:
> Anyway, most sheilas have such better hearing than us men that they make
> do
> with appalling sound gear, so when they hear a bit of good sound here they
>
> don't need the extremes you mention.
> One didn't like the look of my speakers when she met them for the first
> time.
> (Heck, they all hate the look of large speakers.)
> But this one liked country and western. Hard to take it was, but she was
> good at other things...
> Anyway, she put on some Garth Brookes, and she melted; sooooo much better
> than her 1976
> Pioneer system she had gotten used to.
> Garth sounded positively sexy on my gear. Its why he is so successful.
>
> John Williamson couldn't sing a love song if his life depended on it.
> But when he sings about Our Don, he'd make you weep.....
>
> The better systems yank the heart strings;
> If somebody has a gift, it more likely is heard....

Well put Pat.

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Ben Thomas - Software Engineer - Melbourne, Australia

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[Mal P]

Hi,

Price has been reduced to $3000, and Cope transport informs me that shipping
to most parts of Australia is around $150... and they'll pack it properly
etc.

Sincerely,
Mal

"Mal P" <pandorastein@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> [In Canberra]
>
> Howdy,
>
> I'm selling my treasured VAF Signature I-66 speakers:
> http://www.vaf.com.au/catalog/products/i66.htm . They are fully assembled,
> in absolute mint condition, the colour is Jarrah, and come with user
manual
> and spikes etc. They are still under warranty. The reason I'm selling is
> that I'm moving house, and my new living room is too small to fit them in
> :-(
>
> I am in Canberra, and I would prefer it if you could pick them up (perhaps
> driving in from interstate), but if you want me to ship them, then the
cost
> of bringing a courier to my door, having them box the speakers, transport
> them and insurance them etc would need to be borne by the purchaser.
>
> The price is $3700.
>
> Contact me on pandorastein@hotmail.com
>
> Sincerely,
> Mal
>
>

[John]

"Ben Thomas" <nosp@m.thanks.mate> wrote in message
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> Patrick Turner wrote:
> > Anyway, most sheilas have such better hearing than us men that they make
> > do
> > with appalling sound gear, so when they hear a bit of good sound here
they
> >
> > don't need the extremes you mention.
> > One didn't like the look of my speakers when she met them for the first
> > time.
> > (Heck, they all hate the look of large speakers.)
> > But this one liked country and western. Hard to take it was, but she was
> > good at other things...
> > Anyway, she put on some Garth Brookes, and she melted; sooooo much
better
> > than her 1976
> > Pioneer system she had gotten used to.
> > Garth sounded positively sexy on my gear. Its why he is so successful.
> >
> > John Williamson couldn't sing a love song if his life depended on it.
> > But when he sings about Our Don, he'd make you weep.....
> >
> > The better systems yank the heart strings;
> > If somebody has a gift, it more likely is heard....
>
> Well put Pat.
>
> --
> --

Where is the holden astra ?


> Ben Thomas - Software Engineer - Melbourne, Australia
>
> My Digital World:
> Kodak DX6490, Canon i9950, Pioneer A05;
> Hitachi 37" HD plasma display, DGTEC 2000A,
> Denon 2800, H/K AVR4500, Whatmough Encore;
> Sony Ericsson K700i, Palm Tungsten T.
>
> Disclaimer:
> Opinions, conclusions, and other information in this message that do not
> relate to the official business of my employer shall be understood as
neither
> given nor endorsed by it.

[Patrick Turner]

>
> > Well put Pat.

> Where is the holden astra ?

Somebody drove off in it to do some astral travelling

Patrick Turner.

[Deank]

"> Which do you spend on, is it a vehicle to make one feel big and proud,
and
> thus maintain an image, or is it on what you love, presumably your wife if
> you have one,
> or your music which supports your soul?

........Patrick, the problem is that most people can not distinguish the
difference between "enthusiam" and "obsession"


Dean



.......Never what it seems to be
.......But who among us can resist this stuff.

[Ben Thomas]

John wrote:
> "Ben Thomas" <nosp@m.thanks.mate> wrote in message
> news:pagouc.bo.ln@192.168.11.2...
>

>>Well put Pat.

> Where is the holden astra ?

In another sig.

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Ben Thomas - Software Engineer - Melbourne, Australia

My Digital World:
Kodak DX6490, Canon i9950, Pioneer A05;
Hitachi 37" HD plasma display, DGTEC 2000A,
Denon 2800, H/K AVR4500, Whatmough Encore;
Sony Ericsson K700i, Palm Tungsten T.

Disclaimer:
Opinions, conclusions, and other information in this message that do not
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[Fraser Johnston]

"Ben Thomas" <nosp@m.thanks.mate> wrote in message
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> John wrote:
>> "Ben Thomas" <nosp@m.thanks.mate> wrote in message
>> news:pagouc.bo.ln@192.168.11.2...
>>
>
>>>Well put Pat.
>
>> Where is the holden astra ?
>
> In another sig.

I knew they were a small car, but wow.

Fraser