Are they trying to save us or enslave us?

[Mr. Other Side of Story]

The invention of the internet will obviously be the means by which many are
criminilised. Deliberately or incidentally its bound to be a heaven sent for
the legal industry surely?

The mobile phone will also reap many cases and millions in fines. Theres
always a good argument for all the extra legislation. We could have a law
prohibiting reversing into a main road, soon we can have a law that says
looking down at your gps monitor in your car should carry a fine for safety
reasons etc. I think the truth is the vast majority of people can handle a
car doing all those things, but they want to pre-empt and fine everybody for
the sake of $$$$. Whilst we are at it why not make a law against driving
whilst smoking, or listening to the radio, or have your dog in the
car......all these things can cause accidents......lets legislate against
them?

[Sylvia Else]

Mr. Other Side of Story wrote:

> The invention of the internet will obviously be the means by which many are
> criminilised. Deliberately or incidentally its bound to be a heaven sent for
> the legal industry surely?
>
> The mobile phone will also reap many cases and millions in fines. Theres
> always a good argument for all the extra legislation. We could have a law
> prohibiting reversing into a main road, soon we can have a law that says
> looking down at your gps monitor in your car should carry a fine for safety
> reasons etc. I think the truth is the vast majority of people can handle a
> car doing all those things, but they want to pre-empt and fine everybody for
> the sake of $$$$. Whilst we are at it why not make a law against driving
> whilst smoking, or listening to the radio, or have your dog in the
> car......all these things can cause accidents......lets legislate against
> them?

Sign. Another assertion from MOSS that I can't let pass.

There is ample experimental evidence that people cannot use a mobile
phone and continue to drive safely, and indeed that ones compentence at
driving is reduced substantially when talking on a phone.

Sylvia.

[Ricardo Sepulveda]

On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 09:56:39 +1100, Sylvia Else wrote:

>
>
> Mr. Other Side of Story wrote:
>
>> The invention of the internet will obviously be the means by which many are
>> criminilised. Deliberately or incidentally its bound to be a heaven sent for
>> the legal industry surely?
>>
>> The mobile phone will also reap many cases and millions in fines. Theres
>> always a good argument for all the extra legislation. We could have a law
>> prohibiting reversing into a main road, soon we can have a law that says
>> looking down at your gps monitor in your car should carry a fine for safety
>> reasons etc. I think the truth is the vast majority of people can handle a
>> car doing all those things, but they want to pre-empt and fine everybody for
>> the sake of $$$$. Whilst we are at it why not make a law against driving
>> whilst smoking, or listening to the radio, or have your dog in the
>> car......all these things can cause accidents......lets legislate against
>> them?
>
> Sign. Another assertion from MOSS that I can't let pass.

Then what happened to the first two sentences? Given the amount of
activity on the internet, it is difficult to think of any other complex
human activity that would criminalise less, with almost total impunity.

> There is ample experimental evidence that people cannot use a mobile
> phone and continue to drive safely, and indeed that ones compentence at
> driving is reduced substantially when talking on a phone.
>
> Sylvia.

[Ken Oaf]

On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 09:53:02 -0800, "Mr. Other Side of Story"
<sendnoemail@yahoo.com> wrote:

> The mobile phone will also reap many cases and millions in fines. Theres
> always a good argument for all the extra legislation. We could have a law
> prohibiting reversing into a main road, soon we can have a law that says

There is already a law against reversing onto a street in NSW. It is rarely
enforced.

[Sylvia Else]

Ken Oaf wrote:

> There is already a law against reversing onto a street in NSW. It is rarely
> enforced.

Where is that written?

Sylvia.

[Ken Oaf]

On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:04:38 +1100, Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address>
wrote:

> > There is already a law against reversing onto a street in NSW. It is rarely
> > enforced.
>
> Where is that written?

NSW Traffic Bylaws.

[Mr. Other Side of Story]

"Ken Oaf" <tipsy@beerlover.com.au> wrote in message
news:ejul01p3vkfo173b7d1lk8movsef55ahgn@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 09:53:02 -0800, "Mr. Other Side of Story"
> <sendnoemail@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> The mobile phone will also reap many cases and millions in fines. Theres
>> always a good argument for all the extra legislation. We could have a law
>> prohibiting reversing into a main road, soon we can have a law that says
>
> There is already a law against reversing onto a street in NSW. It is
> rarely
> enforced.

>> thats another of my complaints....who actually gets to dicide whether
>> some laws are enforced and some others are ignored?
>
>

[Sylvia Else]

Ken Oaf wrote:

> On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:04:38 +1100, Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address>
> wrote:
>
>
>>>There is already a law against reversing onto a street in NSW. It is rarely
>>>enforced.
>>
>>Where is that written?
>
>
> NSW Traffic Bylaws.

As far as I know, there's no such thing.

Give a citation.

Sylvia.

[Ken Oaf]

On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 07:16:26 +1100, Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address>
wrote:

> >>Where is that written?
> >
> >
> > NSW Traffic Bylaws.
>
> As far as I know, there's no such thing.
>
> Give a citation.

Ask a Highway Patrol officer. I was cautioned by one for reversing out of a
driveway. He told me it was an offence.

[Sylvia Else]

Ken Oaf wrote:

> Ask a Highway Patrol officer. I was cautioned by one for reversing out of a
> driveway. He told me it was an offence.

Highway Patrol Officers are not noted for their detailed knowledge of
road traffic laws.

The Australian Road Rules have this to say about driving in reverse

296 Driving a vehicle in <<reverse>>

(1) The driver of a vehicle must not <<reverse>> the vehicle unless
the driver can do so safely.

Penalty: Offence provision.

(2) The driver of a vehicle must not <<reverse>> the vehicle
further than is reasonable in the circumstances.

Penalty: Offence provision.

Perhaps you should have told the officer to mind his own business.

Sylvia.