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    I hope they would give me a free HDMI cable if I'm going to spend $69,999 on that baby.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Watcher View Post
    I hope they would give me a free HDMI cable if I'm going to spend $69,999 on that baby.
    I'd expect more than a free cable for that price

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    Quote Originally Posted by Watcher View Post
    I hope they would give me a free HDMI cable if I'm going to spend $69,999 on that baby.

    Don't worry, give it 6 months and the price will be $2,999.99
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    Time to upgrade soon..

    Well, our main lounge room TV had died, so it's time to check out some new equipment.


    Is a darkish room (i.e. we can make it reasonably dark and/or like to watch stuff at night generally).
    Will be sitting about 2.5m from the TV.
    Generally watch more FTA TV, movies, sport etc.
    Have a nice low, flat, long timber entertainment unit which is perfectly suited to sitting a nice big flat panel tv on.


    Am looking at 3 new products:


    1) A 50" Plasma HD TV.

    Was looking at these three models:
    Samsung PS50P91FDX 50" 1080p (around $2500)
    Panasonic TH-50PX80A 50" 768p (around $2100)
    Pioneer PDP-508XDA 50" 768p (around $2900)

    As well as a few others, initially looking at going for a cheap 768p but am unsure now weather a 1080p might be worth it down the track.


    2) A DVDR/HDD/HD recorder.

    I.e. DVDR recorder (DVD disc player and recorder onto DVD-writable discs), Internal HDD drive (160 or 250 GB) to record TV with some of the time-shifting etc. advantages, and a HD (High Definition) digital channel tuner, all in one.

    A mate of mine got some Sony model of one of these the other day, with a 160GB HDD, which was priced at around $600-$700 I think.


    3) A foxtel box & service.

    Starting to develop a craving for much of the paytv sports and stuff.. heh.


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    LCD vs Plasma - Apparently:

    Brightness of room: LCD's are slightly better suited to a brighter area, whilst Plasmas are slightly better suited to darker rooms.

    Initial Price: Plasmas are cheaper than LCDs.

    Ongoing energy costs: LCDs are cheaper than Plasmas, in some cases up to 30 or 40% less eneregy usage, but more recent technologies for both kinds seem to be proving that these figures are closer in real terms than lots of people may think - i.e. the annual energy cost of running a Plasma may not be that much more than a similar-size LCD.

    Estimated Life: LCDs were traditionally significantly rated at a longer life & maintaining high quality picture for longer, however again the more recent technologies for both kinds seem to be implying that they aren't too far different. There is some suspicions that Plasmas may start to fade in picture quality earlier than a similar LCD model.

    Viewing distance: There is lots of info on viewing distances (search the web yourself), sometimes you need to have it set up within 3m of your seat to get some real benefit out of either kinds.

    Viewing angle: Traditionally, LCDs have poorer quality image from more of side-angle than Plasmas, but nowdays modern models appear to not be too dissimilar.

    Viewing Content: Plasmas appear to be slightly superior for more viewing of movies, general TV, and sports, whilst LCDs appear to be slightly superior for more viewing of plugging in digital cameras and viewing pics/videos directly from them, playing game consoles, and using it as a computer monitor.
    (I noticed watching footy on a brand new Sony 52" 1080p 100Hz LCD today that the blurring effect of the grass whilst the cameras panned was more significant (detrimentally) than I expected. This is a unit my mate bought fro around $4500 recently.)

    Cleaning: Plasma screens appear to be a little easier to clean, than LCDs (i.e. fingerprints, etc on the panel).

    Picture Blackness: Plasmas, particularly certain newer models (incl. some Pioneer and Panasonics) appear to be slightly superior in showing a more pitch black/dark black, than LCDs which always have some kind of backlighting evident. Again, in modern technologies this appears to be not too much of an issue in some cases.

    There appear to be a quite regular release of new series/models by various major flat panel display manufacturers, so the range available seems to evolve fairly significantly every 3-6 months.

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    You gotta bite the bullet and snag something sometime tho, so it's probably not worth waiting too long and stuffing around too much just to save a few hundred dollars.

    Trying to snag a good quality model, by a somewhat reputable manufacturer (I have heard more good things about Pioneer & Panasonic, as well as Samsung & Hitachi to a lesser degree over the past weeks).

    Btw, personally I beleive most Sony products are a little over-rated & over-priced, but this is not based on extensive experience.


    Bottom line: BIGGER IS BETTER. (i.e. as big as you can afford that suits the space & viewing distance in which you plan to use it).
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    Quote Originally Posted by ssar View Post
    A DVDR/HDD/HD recorder.

    I.e. DVDR recorder (DVD disc player and recorder onto DVD-writable discs), Internal HDD drive (160 or 250 GB) to record TV with some of the time-shifting etc. advantages, and a HD (High Definition) digital channel tuner, all in one.

    A mate of mine got some Sony model of one of these the other day, with a 160GB HDD, which was priced at around $600-$700 I think.
    Actually my mate's is an SD digital TV tuner.

    Hmm, now that I have had a bit of a closer look at DVDR/HDD units, it appears none of them have HD tuners, only SD tuners. This is correct at the moment, yes?
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    I think you might be right.
    HD content is such a high bitrate, I don't think you would get much on a disc.

    I have LCD an Plasma screens here.
    They both seem good to me, although the LCD is high resolution, the plasma only SD - I would prefer a hd plasma, but both have good looking pictures.
    Sometimes I think you need to just look at both types and decide which you prefer.

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    (A week or so ago)
    I ordered a new Panasonic TH-50PZ700A 50" / 127cm 1080p Plasma the other day, got it for AUD$2700 (From a local Retravision store.)
    (Saw it priced at the local Bing Lee for AUD$3299 last weekend, and advertized in a local Brochure for AUD$2999 this week.)

    Can't wait to get it set up etc.

    Also got a DVDR unit to use with it: Panasonic DMR-EX77 160GB HDD (up to 284hrs), SD Digital Tuner, HDMI 1080p upscaling for $450.

    (Interested Aussies probably might like to) Browse some threads in the (Aussie) forums at: www.dtvforum.info

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    I set up our new Panasonic TH-50PZ700A 50" / 127cm Plasma (and Panasonic DMR-EX77 DVDR unit) last night - I'll make some pics available online sometime, and write a report on it thus far.

    Good news is that it appears to be flawless, brand new as expected, easy to set up, and with a picture pretty much as I expected (which is very good).

    Retravision Belmont (in the Newcastle NSW area) seemed to do the right thing by me, knew not to toss heaps of bull, gave me prices in the ballpark I was after etc. - glad to recommend them.
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    Congrats and enjoy.
    Have the same teev and I'm happy with it. I was also very impressed with the quality of the audio that comes out of this panel.

    You haven't left it on the factory settings have you? It comes out of the box set to Dynamic and damn it's bright on that setting.
    You may also want to read up on having the contrast and brightness turned down a bit for the first few weeks or so if you haven't done so already.

    I like how you connect your Panny DVD recorder to it via HDMI and it will use the Vierra link fucntion and power down your recorder for you when you turn off your TV and if you are watching a channel and want to go to the DVD recorder, pushing the main function buttons on the recorder remote will make your TV switch to that HDMI channel instantly for you.

    If you are still looking at Foxtel, the HD channels look superb, especially ESPN but have a read of some of the common install problems people have stated over at DTV so you don't get messed around. Some people have been waiting a week or way longer to get their HD channels activated after the install and some of the stories are bloody terrible.

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    I recently bought a Panasonic 106 full hd 700a and a Panasonic up scaling dvd player 1080I and the vierra link is a good idea saves switching the TV over to hdmi and the picture is magic. And its made in Japan.
    As the plasma has twin tuners its easy to get some people confused,
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    New Panasonic TH-50PZ700A working well.

    New Panasonic TH-50PZ700A 50" / 127cm 1080p Plasma TV + Panasonic DMR-EX77 160GB HDD DVDR.

    Picked it up, tied it on the back of the ute standing up the correct way, and took it home.

    At around 60kg (69kg boxed with packaging) the TV is pretty heavy - definitely a 2-person job to lift & manoeuver it etc.

    See this webpage for several pics I took during setting it up:

    http://www.whaledive.net/pana.htm

    Seemed to be packed pretty well, though there was some confectionery rubbish floating around inside the box which was strange.

    The TV needed mounting to the separate base stand (unlike my mate's 52" Sony LCD we setup the other week which had the base stand already secured to it in the box) and it was pretty straightforward to do so.

    All the input/output ports seem to be fairly obvious.
    The unit in general seems to be manufactured and put together quite solidly - upon examination everything appears to be fairly good - the air vents, screws, labelling, shaping, fans etc.

    I'm impressed with the inbuilt speakers - it's difficult to actually tell where they are at first glance, but on closer inspection you can see the fine mesh along the extreme lhs & rhs edges, they look good and perform well for what they are. Certainly all we need audio-wise at the moment.

    When first powering it up it appeared to automatically enter into it's auto-scan & inbuilt HD STB channel setup process - can't recall if I had to hit OK once or something, but it completed it clearly and smoothly.

    As someone said most of the new Plasmas from late 2007 / early 2008 are "10th generation" plasma flat panel technology, and the image is pretty slick. You can still tell the lack of fine detail in many situations when examining it closely (compared to a good CRT), but honestly the images are pretty much as I'd hoped they would be - which is very good.

    Watching footy and tennis on it (especially Wimbledon via Channel 9's HD broadcast) is pretty impressive, especially when the room is kinda dark.

    I am surprised that the screen aspect ratio cannot be changed (from 16:9) for all viewing of the channels via the inbuilt HD STB - this is one downside to it, I suppose some other brands of similar units can do this?

    Am running the brightness, contrast, colour & sharpness at 45-50%, as well as colour balance and viewing mode on "normal" and will do for several months as is recommended to help the unit display a better range of all of these for more years down the track.

    I quite like the remote - reasonably large which is good, with fairly clear large-ish buttons.

    I can't say that the "Viera link" has been an overall benefit, in some situations it's more of a pain, whilst slightly advantageous in others.

    Haven't tested nor used many of the features of the DVDR unit as yet, it's own inbuilt SD STB seemed to auto-setup pretty easily, it plays DVD movies ok.

    Although one thing that it (appears to be) missing is a Disc Eject button on the remote - I would have thought these are standard these days - why would they not put one on it?

    Will actually record some stuff on the HDD when I have more time.

    Whilst the TV would look good mounted centred on an appropriate wall in our lounge room, I'll never do it as I am happy with it's position on our entertainment unit etc.

    Overall, it's kickass.

    Am going to plug an Xbox (on loan) into it next week and see what that looks like too.

    Flawless so far, and very happy with it all.
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    i have the very same panasonic TH-50PZ700A FUll HD 50" plasma, got it for an excellent $2650 from the Good Guys. Cant beat that when the competition is advertising at $3000 and more.

    Piece of cake to set up and picture is great

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    Hi guy's,
    It's been a while.
    Just got back from a trip to Sydney and was very surprised that at all
    the major retail stores in the CBD area did not provide any catalogues for any electrical products, mainly flat panel TV's.

    Tried out the standard places first but couldn't find anything except for the Sony Pulse Mag. Anyone know where I can get the new Panasonic and Samsung catalogue?

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    quoted elsewhere: "so what is the diff between the 50PZ850a, 50PZ800a and 50PZ80a?"

    I am researching this now (early May 2009) for some of my family who will likely buy one of them (from our local Retravision store here in the Newcastle, NSW area) soon.

    They all appear to be Panasonic Full High Definition 50" / 127cm Plasma TVs with 1920 x 1080 pixels, here are the comparisons:

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    50PZ850A

    VIERA TH-50PZ850A 50" (127cm) Full-HD Digital Plasma TV RRP: $3,899

    11th Generation Full-HD Progressive Scan Plasma Panel (1920 x 1080 pixels)
    Integrated HD Digital DVB-T Tuner
    Maximum 1,000,000:1 Contrast ratio (30,000:1 Native)
    Deep Colour, Digital Cinema Colour, SRS TruSurround XT
    4 x HDMI Inputs with Viera Link (1x Front, 3xRear)
    4 x Audio Speakers

    Full Specs from Panasonic Australia website:
    http://www.panasonic.com.au/products...?objectID=4858

    Best prices seen during April-May 2009: $2400 (5th May 09), $2695 (mid April 2009)

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    50PZ800A

    VIERA TH-50PZ800A 50" (127cm) Full-HD Digital Plasma TV RRP: $3,649

    (Superceded model, replaced by new model P50G10A due out in June 2009)

    11th Generation Full-HD Progressive Scan Plasma Panel (1920 x 1080 pixels)
    Integrated HD Digital DVB-T Tuner
    Maximum 1,000,000:1 Contrast ratio (30,000:1 Native)
    5,120 Equivalent Steps of Gradation for 134 Billion Viewable Colours
    3 x HDMI Inputs with Viera Link (1x Front, 2x Rear)
    2 x Audio Speakers

    Full Specs from Panasonic Australia website:
    http://www.panasonic.com.au/products...?objectID=4353

    Best prices seen during April-May 2009: $2350 (1st Feb 09),

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    50PZ80A

    VIERA TH-50PZ80A 50" (127cm) Full-HD Digital Plasma TV RRP: $3,099

    Full-HD Progressive 50" Plasma Panel (1920 x 1080 pixels)
    Integrated HD Digital DVB-T Tuner
    Maximum 1,000,000:1 Contrast ratio (30,000:1 Native)
    5,120 Equivalent Steps of Gradation for 134 Billion Viewable Colours
    2 x HDMI Inputs with Viera Link
    2 x Audio Speakers

    Full Specs from Panasonic Australia website:
    http://www.panasonic.com.au/products...?objectID=4744

    Best prices seen during April-May 2009: $2100 (mid April 2009)

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    I personally own a Panasonic TH-50PZ700A 50" / 127cm 1080p bought June 2008, here is my webpage pics of setting it up:

    http://www.whaledive.net/pana.htm

    Very happy with it btw, no probs.

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    Oh and monitor this webpage:

    http://hdtvprices.pbworks.com/

    For (monthly) updated LCD & Plasma TV prices.
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