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    Federal Government to discuss the introduction of an R18+ video games rating.

    Federal Government to discuss the introduction of an R18+ video games rating.
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    About bloody time and I hope they let adults decide if they want to buy these games or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Watcher View Post
    About bloody time and I hope they let adults decide if they want to buy these games or not.
    Absolutely! ****ing censors. Down with the OFLC!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drifter View Post
    Absolutely! f***ing censors. Down with the OFLC!!!!
    Thats why you own a PS3. Importer the suckers, so the OFLC arse clowns cannot fuch with your games.

    When an R rating happens I will be happy, until then I'll be sceptical

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    Yeah read this article in the paper today.

    i dont think its that good of an idea. Rather than allowing games in that have been banned, itll just make it harder to get graphic games that are already available.

    Waht good games that have had heaps of hype have been banned in Aus?
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    This discussion is pointless anyway, as it looks like the R-rating for games will get shot down again, thanks to this knob:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Atkinson

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    It would be a shame if they don't get this happening as one good thing to come out of it would be that games that are just getting by on a lower rating could possibly be moved up to the higher one and make it a little harder for kids to get hold of them.

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    I don't like that the games use the same classification symbols as film - in fact, I don't like that TV classification symbols use the same symbols as the OFLC either - both cause undue confusion.

    The OFLC guidelines for film/dvd are good. That's fine.

    The games should look different their classifications should clearly be marked as being a classification for a GAME, because MA on a movie and MA on a game are two completely different things. Average Joe may not mind his 13 year old son watching a violent MA flick - but he may not like the same violence in video games because it's interactive. Making the classification symbols so similar is the worst thing that the OFLC has ever done!

    This is what I think the OFLC should do with the game rating system:

    1. Change the symbols back to how they used to be.
    2. Remove "PG" and "M" completely. Parents don't supervise children playing video games! Replace with a classification called "Strong" that is advisory and indicates that the content may not be suitable for children.
    3. Remove the MA classification and replace with "Restricted 16+". Yes, 16+.
    4. Create a new classification called "Adult (18+)" that would function the same way as R18+ would, but still prohibit any X-rated material. This would make it very clear to parents that the game is suitable only for adults.

    Without those changes, I personally find it difficult to accept an R18+ classification for games. Don't get me wrong, I'm all in favour of the games being sold and made available under an 18+ classification - however the classification system for games is inadequate and currently any Tom, Dick or Harry lets his children play MA15+ games without a second thought because he thinks it's the same as a movie. And while this is the common practise in households it is inadequate to release games as R18+.

    On this point the 18+ for games should be mandatory and criminally enforceable. Think about it. It is a crime for any movie theatre in Australia to show an R18+ movie in the presence of a minor - and yet it is not a crime for a parent to show the movie to their children in the privacy of their home (this is how it should be).

    However, a video game is different. The rationale behind watching an R18+ movie at home is that it can be paused, stopped and parts of it skipped over by the parent - and also that it has less of an impact then in the atmosphere of a movie theatre. On the other hand, a video game is at its highest impact at home, and a parent cannot pause, or skip parts of the game in the way they can with movies. Therefore it needs to be a crime for anyone to allow a minor to play (play - not necessarily view) an 18+ classified games.

    And following the movie-standard this is not possible. So, unfortunately, I think it is still right to Err on the side of caution until this situation is resolved.

    I should also note that Australia is one of the more lax countries with film classification. For instance, in both the UK and in NZ it is a crime to show any film to a minor with a higher classification then their age, even if you are their parent. I'm not saying Australia should be like that, what I am saying is that an 18+ classification needs to be restricted exclusively to adults, and allowing a minor to play the game needs to be a crime.

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    Yeah, such a problem that we can't legally get R18+ games. People deserve the right to be able to use cow's heads filled with anthrax as weapons.
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    So you're against an 18+ classification for games?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leroy Peterson View Post
    Yeah read this article in the paper today.

    i dont think its that good of an idea. Rather than allowing games in that have been banned, itll just make it harder to get graphic games that are already available.

    Waht good games that have had heaps of hype have been banned in Aus?
    San Andreas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Watcher View Post
    It would be a shame if they don't get this happening as one good thing to come out of it would be that games that are just getting by on a lower rating could possibly be moved up to the higher one and make it a little harder for kids to get hold of them.
    Unless they get them online.

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    Depending on your console, just import the game for a cheaper price, and without the shit logos all over.

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    much easier to do what everyone does to bypass government censorship. . 'Underbelly' is a testament to the governments inability to prevent Australians accessing content they want to access.

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    That politician that is probably one of Australia's most wanted has written to Gamespot. http://au.gamespot.com/pages/news/st...opslot;thumb;1

    I was persuaded by some of his arguments, then i read some of the comments and changed my mind again.

    It's the parents responsibility to guide children in the right direction. If this man thinks games do this, well I guess his methodology of parenting is askew.

    I am a 29 year old who likes to play R18+ games, the only way this can happen is via importing, thus local retailers losing money.

    The only reason why Atkinson has a voice in this opinion is for self importance. It's pathetic and embarrassing for a country like ours to have such censorship. GTA4 being "censored" and then being able to get an M15+ rating is such a contradiction as you can still buy a hooker, you just don't see the actual act......? Or you can still shoot a guy in the kneecap, you just don't see as much blood... I mean come on!!! After those "changes" 15 year olds can play this game, whereas the games intended for 18+. This less explicit violence to me would be worse "psychologically" for gamers under 15 and or vulnerable adults as it's actually showing a violent act in more of a "pleasant" way.

    And how does Atkinson know that R18+ games are easier to get in the hands of minors then movies are?? Once again it comes down to parenting and how they control the situation, not YOU Atko.

    Lastly, we are visual creatures, I highly doubt that a video game that depicts a sexual act is worse than two human beings depicting it in an R18+ movie.
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    I have expressed my concern on this issue many times and i have even written multiple essays presenting them to members of government to get some support. I pay particular attention to the fact that R18+ games are easier to get there hands on then movies of the same classification. This is just not true unless it is being imported. If someone tries to download illegally, they face much better security then dvd's. The fact that on the PC you need a CD-key and disc unless you use specific tools to access the game that really can be quite complex for anyone under 15 anyway. On the consoles it is even harder as it is very complex to copy/burn games into the console and play because of their security features unless it is chipped. All you need for R18 DVD's is to search for a download for an .avi file or equivalent and watch to you're hearts content.

    Also this may be an interesting read for anyone watching the "discussion" subject:

    Why is this man still smiling? Is it because he enjoys frustrating the millions of gamers around the country? It's the only explanation we can think of as, once again, SA Attorney-General Michael Atkinson has thrown a spanner in the works of proposed changes to our videogame classification system.

    This time, as Jason Hill reports for The Age, it's come to light that Atkinson has failed to provide his final comments on the discussion paper originally announced in March last year. Censorship ministers last March agreed "in principle" to canvass public opinion on the proposed introduction of an R18+ classification for games and to release a discussion paper on the issue. But Mr Atkinson is still yet to provide his final comments on the paper after earlier refusing to make it public unless changes were made.

    The draft discussion paper, titled "R18+ for computer games" was sent to ministers last September and details the advantages and perils of introducing an adults-only rating for games. If it gets released, the paper will be available to the public via the internet and provided to interested parties such as industry groups and family associations to seek their views. By our reckoning, he's been sitting on that paper for five months now, having known it was coming for another five months before that. While we don't doubt the minister is a busy man, one gets the impression he may be deliberately trying to stymie the public debate. I can't think why he might want to do that, can you?
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    A discussion paper has FINALLY been released. Seems something is finally being done. Whether anything is achieved from it, we'll just have to wait and see

    http://www.ausgamers.com/news/read/2826221
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    The cynic in me thinks that regardless of the outcome of the discussion paper and submissions, Atkinson will never give his vote for it while he is in office.

    The optimist in me thinks it is worth making every effort to promote this paper and encourage everyone to make a submission so that when Atkinson is replaced, the public opinion will count rather that one mans stubborness.

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    I'm hopeful. I've made my submission and forwarded the link to my gaming buddies too.

    But Atkinson is NOT gonna back down unfortunately. His viewpoint is so entrenched, and he just does not seem to be the kind of person to say "sorry I was wrong".

    The only real hope is that Gamers4Croydon are able to oust him from office.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leroy Peterson View Post
    Atkinson has quit the front bench of the Labor Government, relinquishing his post as the State's Attorney-General.

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