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    After writing a couple okay stories, I thought they were okay. Other people thought they were very good, but some of my in laws thought they were disturbing, reflected pornography instead of sensuality, airing of household gripes instead of just attempting to portray some realism of life (I didn't nail it), and confusing what is fictional with drawing upon from my life. I also did a pretty .. obscure one about the battle for self improvement in even the short term after realisation or experience and ... bah, long story short I ended up having to reject the offer to be discipled in the ways of the Lord, had to clear up with a posh and judgemental ministers wife what was and wasn't about me and my wife (doubt her husband cared though), and have recently found myself battling with an intrusive brother in law after creating a Facebook account after not having one for a while because he's pretty far up himself and wanted to police a halfway crass, but funny and welcomed, joke I made. The latter led to him refusing to mind his own business and me having to be very blunt and rude. We aren't the friends we were and won't be as a result. Its not a nice thing. Realistically I should welcome it because he's a self righteous, judgemental, and meddling person in general, however its still a fresh affair.

    I have for quite some time though, regretted telling anyone in my extended family what my web address is and I think, although I haven't much used the old one, I'm going to find new space. That said. My current web host sucks and I would like something better.

    First, here's my catch 22 in a .com.au site. I must be a business. No problem, I can get an ABN. I go to get an ABN and one of the criteria is that if your business is a website, the intention to make money is not sufficient... you must already be making money, so even if I get an ABN as something random like a garbage reseller, I might later on have a real problem if I then registered a domain name since I wasn't making money as a garbage reseller. I think there were other options for personal sites but I don't really want to have .imstupid.au ...it just doesn't look right.

    Since I hold American citizenship I can get a .com site, or a .org site, or a .net site, and maybe even a .gov site but I'm not sure about the last.

    My problems with my current webhost is that they suck, and here's why:

    1. Its slow. It a wordpress blog. The database is small. Sometimes it takes 10 seconds to load a page. I think they do daily maintanence at around the same time of day that I'm on it here perhaps, or maybe they just suck.

    2. Its supposed to be a family friendly webhost which means that I can't say "This webhost sucks worse than eating roasted dog's arse," and I certainly couldn't, if I wanted to, host any imagery that might be just slightly controversial and flagged as porn by some 60 year old gun toting Alabama redneck who likes to "hang niggers from trees". I've lived in Alabama and always felt very uncomfortable when my friends used the word "nigger" and never really gave into the peer pressure to change my own vocabulary to encompass it even though I was only 17 when I moved there, but today I'm using it as an example of something that I wouldn't be able to say on my current webhost.

    3. There's porn of it. Not only that, but there's furry porn of it apparently. This is 99.9% of the time going to be disturbing and I find it annoying that I have to sift through mediocre porn only to find sick shit before I finally find something new and erotic when I'm alone, horny, and point my browser to youporn. And no, redtube is not better, it has more sick and more redundant stuff. I'm tired of seeing creampies, cumshot compilation videos, videos focused exclusively on handjobs, blowjobs, ****ing to get a job, etc. I want to see something kind of genuine without any special emphasis on cumshots or creampies. If it happens to be there, and that's the reason I saw it then that's fine... it was there because it was there, but ... geez its people uploading their own porn and promoting their porn sites and.... well I'm done ranting on this issue. I would, although I don't have any plans to do so, need to do so, etc, like a webhost that doesn't give a rats arse if I upload porn onto their storage space though. Maybe one day I'll want to upload something I pulled off of youporn to reference something that is thoroughly disgusting or disturbing, like full on yeast infections during sex, or pooing a baseball.

    4. I went up top and added a paragraph and I forgot what I was talking about, or where I was exactly, at this point. To break it down, I need a webhost that is fast, oh wait.. my other gripe was the advertisement of unlimited bandwidth and unlimited space. Bandwidth is slow so its sort of like when dial up was unlimited bandwidth, only not that bad
    I wanted to make it an utter pain in the arse for bots that didn't respect the robots file find something, so I created a loop that made 100000 directories, each with 100000 directories... it took hours to complete. I got notified later that I had a 50,000 file limit so I was pissed off even though I understood why that would annoy someone running multiple machines on the same server. 50,000 files isn't unlimited. I actually got a TOS warning for this, so I should be able to put that they can suck my balls in an html file on their host about it, but as previously mentioned....
    I found that I also have a 50 MB filesize limit. I can easily just cut a file into multiple sections and then cat them back into one, but I'm pretty sure I'll get another TOS warning if not the account cancelled at this point.
    So my point here is that I have no real idea of what to expect as far value goes when it comes to bandwidth or space for files. I have a pretty good idea that 100000^2 files is... well its pretty funny now that I look back on it. It made me laugh out loud just now.

    So... what are the best rumoured values for my money and if I don't want to have to worry about porn.. also bullying. I hate that "No bullying" shit. Assuming I was to at some point put a forum up, I'd want bullying to be fine.. .this actually is not okay with my host (I think), and I'm paying them money... I'm paying them money for rent. Its like renting an apartment but the lease says "No fucking, no cursing, can't use the extra room for storage, don't get pissed at your housemates ever, etc"
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    anyone can get a dot com, net, org etc, the dot au sites can be registered providing they relate to what your site is about, you don't have to have an ABN to get one, I have a few, some related to business names, some related to trademark registrations, products etc, personally I prefer to register a dot com as people remember it easier

    for hosting I use Dreamhost, decent ratio of performance to price for what I need, not sure about their policies though
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    Just host your own server is mucher easier. Howadays, ADSL's Annex M provides upto 2Mb upload speed, if not, Bonded ADSL use two lines gives better throughput. Many ISPs give static IP. That is all you need.

    Just set up one or two Linux boxes, have them had mail server, DNS, Apache etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nsu View Post
    Just host your own server is mucher easier. Howadays, ADSL's Annex M provides upto 2Mb upload speed, if not, Bonded ADSL use two lines gives better throughput. Many ISPs give static IP. That is all you need.

    Just set up one or two Linux boxes, have them had mail server, DNS, Apache etc.
    I did this for many years but a recent house move means I'm now stuck with 8k/384 internet, no good for hosting, would love to be able to get Annex M
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    Quote Originally Posted by jokiin View Post
    I did this for many years but a recent house move means I'm now stuck with 8k/384 internet, no good for hosting, would love to be able to get Annex M
    I guess you meant 8Mb/384Kb? Or otherwise, you are stuck on wireless connection? 384Kb is a bit slow for hosting. There are not many ISPs offerring Annex M. In NSW, I think only iiNet, Inernode, aaNet provide them. Not only that, Inernode and aaNet only have their own DSLAM/MSAN in a limited exchanges. By the look of having a labour government, they will have NBN laying out fibre cables to househood. ISPs have stopped deploying new DSLAMs. Only thing is, NBN thing might take years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nsu View Post
    I guess you meant 8Mb/384Kb? Or otherwise, you are stuck on wireless connection? 384Kb is a bit slow for hosting. There are not many ISPs offerring Annex M. In NSW, I think only iiNet, Inernode, aaNet provide them. Not only that, Inernode and aaNet only have their own DSLAM/MSAN in a limited exchanges. By the look of having a labour government, they will have NBN laying out fibre cables to househood. ISPs have stopped deploying new DSLAMs. Only thing is, NBN thing might take years.
    yeah I was being lazy, by 8k I meant 8000/384 and yes it's not much chop for hosting, I have done it previously on this type of connection but even changing to ADSL2 made a huge difference, now I'm back on the 8000/384 connection I don't want to host as I need to keep my upload available for more important stuff, VoIP, VPN etc
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    I'm also stuck with 384 upload speeds. I could change providers and do better but it would mean a new lengthy contract and we're likely to move at some point in the near future and my wife may not be keen on the idea of adding more stuff to my slow growing technology addictions. Its really hard to convince her that anything is ... well I don't know if cool is the word but she doesn't understand my obsession. I did recently put a closeted netbook in the bedroom hooked up to the TV so she can watch all the Digital and HD channels from there using VLC remote for the iPhone and she thought that was pretty neat.
    I was thinking of setting up a web server at home and using dropbox.com for all the external images but its my last free computer and I'm pretty skeptical about the hard drive that's in it... and I have a wife, and she's been making the money for the past 3 years. Also, my ISP doesn't give me a static IP so I'd be somebody.dyndns.org and going further than that with a hard drive I might not... you know what, screw it, you talked me into it. I'm right now going to be rearranging how things are set up and am getting the hardware out of the closet. It shouldn't be just sitting there anyway and I've literally circumnavigated the globe for that woman on 2 occasions when I didn't want to.

    I wanted to be I'mAwesomeAndYou'reNot.com but I guess for now I'll be WankerAddress.dyndns.org and I think I have a spare hard drive for that notbook if I look for it. The current one should die before long.
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    Step 1 - Pull old laptop from the closet.
    Step 2 - Notice that the power adapter cord has been yanked out of place entirely and think "My plans didn't last very long."
    Step 3 - Notice newer netbook with awesome first intel atom to be released in the closet that didn't have any working network interfaces and wonder how it goes with the newer router.
    Step 4 - Wonder how many people can be doing stuff at the same time before the processor tops out... Three? Four?
    Step 5 - Network card seems okay. Will wait for later failure and am currently putting Linux distro on USB for installation on netbook.
    Step 6 - Start awesome text file to continue this post and will host later on bitchin underpowered netbook with dynamic IP address. ...I am as awesome as this entire post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MeanDean View Post

    I wanted to be I'mAwesomeAndYou'reNot.com but I guess for now I'll be WankerAddress.dyndns.org and I think I have a spare hard drive for that notbook if I look for it. The current one should die before long.
    maybe you should have went with awsomeness.com it does seem to be one of your words

    even if using a dynamic DNS service you can use domain masking to have your registered domain point to the dynamic address
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    Okay I'll google to see what that means. Thanks. I might come back and say "What's domain masking?" but for now the ignorance is part of the pursuit.

    Dean@awesomeness.com ...hmmm ... Dean@edit.com, Dean@TheLetterP.com .. I'll have to look into my options. I was thinking earlier Dean@TheEdgeOfTheEarth.com would be memorable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MeanDean View Post
    Okay I'll google to see what that means. Thanks. I might come back and say "What's domain masking?" but for now the ignorance is part of the pursuit.
    the terminology may vary, I think that's what Zoneedit (great free DNS service by the way) refer to it as, or could be cloaking, either one is meaning the same thing, not something I've had to use for a long time as I've had static IP addresses for about the last 10 years or so
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    Thanks Jokiin
    It was harder to find on their site than what it may have been in the past since dynamic addressing is less often used now so I'm bookmarking here in the thread for my own later reference. This has helped me in the past with other things http://www.zoneedit.com/doc/dynamic.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by MeanDean View Post
    Thanks Jokiin
    It was harder to find on their site than what it may have been in the past since dynamic addressing is less often used now so I'm bookmarking here in the thread for my own later reference. This has helped me in the past with other things http://www.zoneedit.com/doc/dynamic.html
    Sorry, normally I would make the effort to post a link but I'm in China at the moment and the access isn't that fast at times, I think they have recently updated their site also, I recall getting an email from them recently to announce it but haven't logged in there for a while so wasn't sure where the info might have been these days, I've had a static IP since they were avaiable for consumer plans so it's been quite a while since I've had to look into the dynamic IP stuff but did remember there was a solution applicable for your situation
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    No worries Jokiin, its my job to find it. I had to come back and say though, "Holy crap it works!" lol
    I have to admit that I haven't got a clue as to what I want to do with it now, but I have a domain name that I like for it. I had always thought, until rather recently, that running apache somehow took some kind of skill or technical knowledge and that furthermore, having it do more than serve html would be the most I'd be able to accomplish with it. I'd just installed it on the home multimedia server, restricted it from the outside world except for ssh via rsa keys only for scheduling TV recordings, and learned that I don't need to know php or perl to do more with it and that I can just use bash for the last detail of what I was missing from a windows setup, which is streaming TV from the computer to my iPhone when I'm laying in bed and my wife is asleep. Without knowing what the hell to do with the current one though, I have a feeling I'm going to end up copying and pasting perl here and there and perhaps that will lead to something down the line even if its going to be antiquated in 3 to 5 years. I also have it stuck in my head that PHP is some kind of bizarre martian language, but I know that probably isn't true. Python is easy enough if you have the patience and even I agree with Randoid that the syntax is kind of odd. I'll check back in in 4 years and see if I know anything new

    Thanks a lot for the suggestions, both of you. Now if I choose to I can make a place where I can freely insult people without fear of consequences... encourage them to sign up and then ban them when I had a mood swing... stuff like that
    Surprisingly the domain name registrar had some mild innuendo about being overly abusive in their TOS agreement. I don't understand how things work but it makes me want to go into business as a registrar. I think if you did that and nothing else, not providing web space, then it might be worthwhile though there is a lot of competition, and it seems well beyond my understanding of things so its just wishful thinking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MeanDean View Post
    Now if I choose to I can make a place where I can freely insult people without fear of consequences... encourage them to sign up and then ban them when I had a mood swing... stuff like that
    fun times ahead

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    Surprisingly the domain name registrar had some mild innuendo about being overly abusive in their TOS agreement. I don't understand how things work but it makes me want to go into business as a registrar. I think if you did that and nothing else, not providing web space, then it might be worthwhile though there is a lot of competition, and it seems well beyond my understanding of things so its just wishful thinking.
    heaps of registrars are just using a reskinned GoDaddy portal and reselling their services, I have friends that have signed up through these 3rd parties and never even realised
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    Domain mask might mean CNAME in DNS. BTW, I don't like organisations come up all sorts of confusing names. eg. TPG's "ADSL2+ with Home Phone Bundles" means Naked DSL (well, confusing name too, but everyone uses it. So no problem.) TPG's "Broadband Off-Net" means non-TPG DSLAM service.

    In DNS, the usual "A" record means pointing a host to an IP. CNAME means pointing a host to another host. eg. dean.thedude.com will look up dean_the_dude.dyndns.com, the later can have its IP changed.

    Some server can not use CNAME, eg. name server itself, mail server is no good with CNAME. However, web server is ok with CNAME record.
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    That's makes sense of some the technical stuff on the zoneedit website that I didn't understand. Fortunately it was pretty easy to do in the end. I just had to change my dns servers on the registrars page to zoneedits, then with zoneedit assign my current IP to the domain_name.com and lastly, set up a crontab job of a wget with my username and password to login to their site, which gives them the identity of my account and my IP address. It runs every 10 minutes and updates their records if there's a change. So I reckon they have my "A" record as their IP address and the CNAME is my last IP address.

    My address only changes if I log out and back into the ISP. Nice for things like Rapidshare. Otherwise its just when they drop the connection for whatever reason, and once a week when the router resets itself for maintenance.

    I installed Wordpress and it was fine but then after adding a handfull of extensions it wouldn't load from outside the LAN anymore. I'm sort of assuming its because of one the problems involved with what you're referring to with some services not working with this sort of setup.. CNAME . The bright side is that I get to experience the unwanted frustration of getting a better grip on things like css and javascript or whatnot, which isn't a bad thing in the end.

    Bastard registrar made me sit up until midnight when they open on the other side of the world so I could reassure them that the word "naked" in my url didn't imply it was a porn site. Thats not actually in the URL, I'm trying not to spam, it was milder than "naked" but I did consider registering nakedstormtroopers.com in addition the ludicrous name I have but it occurred to me that George Lucas actively claims the rights to everything he's ever done and it might only serve to piss me off later on if I got it taken away. Apparently when if you own an Android based phone, and call it a Droid, George Lucas reserves the right to collect money. Coincidentally, Carrie Fisher was on the 7PM project just last night, one day later, saying that he owns the image of her face.<--This paragraph is just the sort of useless information that I could be putting on my own site :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by MeanDean View Post
    and lastly, set up a crontab job of a wget with my username and password to login to their site, which gives them the identity of my account and my IP address. It runs every 10 minutes and updates their records if there's a change.
    it might be better if you can schedule it to run only when your IP address is changed, not sure about Zoneedit but some of the DNS suppliers get a bit pissed if you have your client logging in too often, some routers have this function built in also so will only do the update when they have had a physical IP change
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    Yeah I'm not sure here. There were implications that polling every 10 minutes was okay given the perl client they suggested and the settings I found a lot of people using. It didn't work for me though. Also, they suggested adding whatever method you use to either dhcpd or /etc/ppp/if-up and I'm not sure either of those will work for me. Its a static IP on the LAN obviously, and dhcpcd isn't installed. Since its the router thats getting the IP address changed and the machine behind it stays the same, I don't think anything happens to trigger if-up. It should stay unchanged behind the router. If I was directly connected to the internet then I'd be sure this would work.

    All the router supports is dyndns.org and I spent a lot of time googling both the router and how to get my external IP from behind the router (that doesnt support it directly). The router doesn't have direct support for it, and perhaps it just shows off my lack of experience but I don't know how to get the external IP from behind the router... like a simple command. Now that you've brought it up though, the router login page does display it. I was trying yesterday to scrape this but the output wasn't encouraging and for example:
    $ links -dump 192.168.2.1
    Frame: topFrame
    Frame: mainFrame

    $links -source http://192.168.2.1
    <HTML><HEAD><TITLE></TITLE><META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" >
    </HEAD><SCRIPT LANGUAGE="JavaScript">if(window.top!=window.self)t op.location.replace("setup.htm");</SCRIPT><FRAMESET border="0"frameSpacing="0"rows="67,*"frameBorder=" 0"><FRAME name="topFrame"src="setup_top.htm"noResize scrolling="no"><FRAMESET name="right_frame"border="0"frameSpacing="0"frameB order="0"cols="*,0"><FRAME name="mainFrame"src="status.stm"></FRAMESET></FRAMESET><NOFRAMES><body></body></NOFRAMES></HTML>
    I was just now looking a little harder and I am able to get the relevant fram all as one long string, including the external IP. I need to write something to break the string apart and pull out the appropriate part, then update if it was different than the last successful update. I'll do that, however if there's a simpler way to do it, without hitting an external web page... a command that will output the external IP, among other things I assume, then I'm certainly all ears since its not router specific to do it that way. The rest of the web seems to be doing what I am, though not at regular intervals.
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    getipaddress()
    {
    ipaddress=`wget -T 10 -t 1 192.168.2.1/status.stm -O - | grep wan_ip| grep wan_subnet |sed "s/'wan_ip':'/ /g" | sed "s/','wan_submask'/ /" |awk '{print $5}'|sed 's/"/ /g'|awk '{print $2}'`
    y=$?
    if [ $y -ne 0 ] ; then
    echo "--------------------------" >>/var/log/zoneedit.log
    date >>/var/log/zoneedit.log
    echo "FAIL getting info from router exit status $y" >> /var/log/zoneedit.log
    echo "--------------------------" >>/var/log/zoneedit.log
    exit
    fi
    }
    
    dozoneedit()
    {
    echo "--------------------------" >>/var/log/zoneedit.log
    date >>/var/log/zoneedit.log
    wget -T 30 -t 4 -O - --http-user=MYUSERNAME --http-passwd=MYPASSWORSD "http://dynamic.zoneedit.com/auth/dynamic.html?host=myawesomeurlthatthewholeworldwillwanttovisit.com" >>/var/log/zoneedit.log 2>&1
    f=$?
    if [ "$f" = "0" ] ; then
    echo "$ipaddress" > /home/deanisthefreakingawesomestguyinthewholeworld/.ipaddress
    else 
    echo "Fail update with zoneedit server exit status $f" >> /var/log/zoneedit.log
    fi
    echo "--------------------------" >>/var/log/zoneedit.log
    }
    
    getipaddress
    oldipaddress=`cat /home/deanisthefreakingawesomestguyinthewholeworld/.ipaddress`
    if [ "$oldipaddress" = "$ipaddress" ] ; then
    echo "--------------------------" >>/var/log/zoneedit.log
    date >>/var/log/zoneedit.log
    echo "No update needed" >>/var/log/zoneedit.log
    echo "--------------------------" >>/var/log/zoneedit.log
    exit
    fi
    
    dozoneedit
    Last edited by MeanDean; 22-10-2010 at 10:45 PM.
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