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    IE bug handling

    I'm thoroughly frustrated. I'd really, really wanted to write things entirely by hand and do a bit of learning in the process. This went really well and everything rendered fine in Chrome, Safari, and Opera. I'm assuming it would render in FF as well but I have it set up to use Tor and don't really want to change it and am an impatient person. I did, however, take the trouble to open XP in Vitualbox and check things out in both IE 6 and then upgraded to IE 8. It renders for shit. I did a lot of googling to solve the issues and then just decided to screw it and finally got Wordpress going properly.. .previous problem was that I hadn't changed the localhost address to the domain name in Wordprss.
    Long story short, I'd used it on my previous blog, but with the default theme that I customized myself, and because of bandwidth constraints it has a header image that I'm not keen on serving every page view, and now I can't find any other theme that I like that also doesn't spit the dummy when rendering correctly in IE.

    I'm really, really tempted to just find a code snippit to detect the browser so it will display "You're using Interntet Explorer. It has a long history of being a suck arse browser. If the page doesn't render correctly then its your own fault for using a shit browser" but this isn't a very nice solution.

    Okay I'm done. It turns out that I don't even have a question. I thought I did but I don't. I think I just wanted to rant. All the trouble and time wasted though I think I'm going to use the default theme, which did work accross the board as far as I know and just look through the contents of the theme and see if I can remove the header image or resize it to a one pixel height or something.

    Oh yeah... if you're using Internet Explorer to view this post then...

    Its ****ing frustrating though because it undermines the purpose of learning something. I'm really disappointed about that and everything was going so well with just me writing html pages without Wordpress at all...
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    This is kind of hopeless. It doesn't even render properly with the default WP theme. I should have stuck with my static pages. My life is so utterly complicated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MeanDean View Post
    This is kind of hopeless. It doesn't even render properly with the default WP theme. I should have stuck with my static pages. My life is so utterly complicated.
    you're a better man than me, I don't have the time, patience or skils to use anything other than out of the box wordpress templates
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    The whole point initially, after the wanting to be free to curse and so forth, and learn a bit about about running a home server, was to learn more about css, and the layout of a basic blog looking page using that is actually pretty easy as it turns out. The rest involved with it, like a comments section, plugins, being able to add widgets by just dragging them, is way above my head. PHP isn't something I even understand. I did, however, want to inevitably have my pages either built on the fly just using bash and having a few files, one of which would be "new posts" for the sidebar, and I could edit that once, the body would be in another file, and then the server would just `cat file1 file2 file3 file4 > location/index.html` where file2 was the updated sidebar info and file3 could be the body. This worked to my supprise, but it wasn't actually the greatest thing because I still had to edit the page title in the before and after the html tag and I never got to the point of adding the body separately as its own file. I decided it would be easier to just make a script that would take arguments for the page title, create an appropriate directory like a wordpress filename permalink, and take a prewritten temp file for the body.. then have a separate script that just walked through all posts updating the info in the sidebars.

    This would have been kind of cool because it would have made it more mine than a wordpress blog even it was still really lacking features, and it was sort of the whole point to both learn and to problem solve, but after much frustration I've given up and even my Wordpress blog looks like a 1996 job of a website when viewed in Internet Explorer. There's ways to force IE 8 to use a compatibility mode such that it behaves like IE 7 but it either isn't working for me no matter how I try even in my own pages, or IE 7 sucked too. While searching for a solution though... I guess you're only going to come across other frustrated people but man was there a deluge of frustration out there and it wasn't fanboys flaming but people just wanting to solve problem. Ironically, Internet Exlporer 6 worked fine with the default theme on my old blog. Internet Explorer 8 fails even in compatibility mode. If a browser even has a compatability mode, that right there should imply that one should use something that is actually compatible in the first place.

    Anyway.. That's what I did as well after the initial failure was just the out of the box Wordpress twentyten theme... actually I switched back too it and deleted plugins but it didn't help. Ironically, there's plugins out there to make a Wordpress install more readable on a mobile device by detecting the user agent info, but there's only mixed success out there with Internet Explorer problems. If I knew what I was doing well enough to tell the mobile browser plugin to also look for IE, I would. Now, I'll end up just looking for something that detects IE and puts a message in that says it's not site friendly browser. The pages I make look even funnier than the Wordpress ones which are pretty bad looking. The plus side is that I don't think I'm going to attract many Windows visitors anyway.

    I managed to get mail working however I don't think its mail in the way that NSU was talking about. I can send mail from Worpress, and likely can get it going with phpBB for notifications though I think the forum will sit tere for 6 months without anyone bothering to sign up. Maybe I'll get a spammer at some point and I'll get excited about that. It was a trial and error Forest Gump thing to get it going.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MeanDean View Post
    Anyway.. That's what I did as well after the initial failure was just the out of the box Wordpress twentyten theme... actually I switched back too it and deleted plugins but it didn't help. Ironically, there's plugins out there to make a Wordpress install more readable on a mobile device by detecting the user agent info, but there's only mixed success out there with Internet Explorer problems. If I knew what I was doing well enough to tell the mobile browser plugin to also look for IE, I would. Now, I'll end up just looking for something that detects IE and puts a message in that says it's not site friendly browser. The pages I make look even funnier than the Wordpress ones which are pretty bad looking. The plus side is that I don't think I'm going to attract many Windows visitors anyway.
    I've got some paid templates for Wordpress which do all the smart stuff well, maybe something that if you looked through the code you could get some good ideas from, if you have the patience for it anyway
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    That might be really helpful and I sure would appreciate it. I won't install anything or steal any javascripts (don't understand them anyway)... something might phone home to whoever made the templet... wouldn't mind looking through the header and main style sheet for anything obvious to investigate though.
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    After running things through a validator, html is fine but I have some css errors. The css errors are surprising because its the default wp-theme and it doesn't appear to be any additions I made or any plugins (I think) that are throwing the errors. The html, however, validated as html5 and I assumed that there wouldn't be a move to it for a default theme right away. I'm pretty sure this is the problem and I've decided to keep using the theme anyway. As such, I'm just going to look for something that identifies Internet Explorer and says "Your Browser doesn't support HTML5". It seems like less trouble to just blame it on the user I think things aren't actually expected to support it yet, but ... its not a commercial site and the blog is the only thing that doesn't look right. The blog is the only part effected, and people coming there with Internet Explorer aren't typically going to be interested in the subject matter... except for the most viewed post which I redirected from my old site but screw those people, plus Microsoft has a beta IE out for everything but XP I think, and if it can't render things correctly then ... I mean honest to God, how the hell is that my problem? I don't have store there.. I dont have ads there... ... I may as well be arrogant and tell people their browser sucks.

    Anyway, thanks for the offer but it seems the issue isn't something I care to fix now. I'm going to check the validation of the css elsewhere as maybe there was changes to whats legal in html5 as well, otherwise I have no idea what to do other than to ignore it.

    I'll check it in Firefox as the last untested browser and if it looks fine then I'll look for something that goes in the header to say "You're browser will not render this page correctly" or something. They'lle stil be able to read it just fine, it will just happen to span the entire page and have no real formatting aside from line breaks where they're supposed to be and the sidebar content will be under the normal content... like an html 1.0 experience, only slightly worse.
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    As one last "I need to bang my head against the wall" update, I noticed that my phone gave me similar results when hitting the site inside the LAN by speicifying the computer's static LAN address, but that when using the domain name from the 3G connection, things looked fine.

    Because of that result, I turned off the wireless, tethered the phone usng 3G, hit the site from the domain name, rather than the internal IP addreass, with IE and everything rendered fine. I have absolutely, no idea why but apparently it isn't the problem I thought. Despite it not being IE's fault, I'm still going to be mad at it for quite a while.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MeanDean View Post

    Anyway, thanks for the offer but it seems the issue isn't something I care to fix now. I'm going to check the validation of the css elsewhere as maybe there was changes to whats legal in html5 as well, otherwise I have no idea what to do other than to ignore it.
    if you do want to have a look just let me know
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    Thanks.

    I think I know why it happened as stated in my last post by the way. I have strong theory anyway.
    When I first set it up, it set itself up with the fields for the hostname and where I wanted it to appear both as either 127.0.0.1 or localhost, I don't remember which. I couldn't view it at all from outside until I changed that to the domain name and the according domainname/blogfolder.
    It looks fine in the other browsers when I put the LAN address for example 192.168.1.179/blog and I'd changed my hosts file so that if I typed in the domain name it gave me 192.168.1.179 which basically was my DNS lookup.

    When I was in Windows I was giving it the 192.168.1.179 in the address bar ... no this actually still makes no sense. Its still a mystery... if I give IE a numerical IP address that isn't the same as the actual domain name then it renders like crap, but if I connect the computer via 3G and view it by its domain name then it looks fine. It makes no sense. I'd edit the Windows hosts file to see if that also fixes it, but I'm too lazy now I've verified that I've just been trying to fix a problem that wasn't really there in the first place.

    On the bright side, I think the minor adjustments to the default theme look better than all the other ones I liked.
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    Wordpress, if not wrong, a piece of very urgly code program. It was based on "b2" (http://cafelog.com/), the code was very messy. The French guy stopped developing it before Wordpress picked it up. Have not tried the recent version of Wordpress, but the code base was not clean at all. Unless it has been under going a major rewrite, I doubt recent Wordpress is clean, light weighted. The problem was b2 was added too much features before making the code lean enough.
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    It is still load heavy enough that there's a number of extensions people have made that do various kinds of caching, so that the Wordpress engine doesn't have to work as much.
    This forum, today as it responded quickly and the lookup was almost instant, rendered faster than the machine in my own LAN serving me Wordpress page.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MeanDean View Post
    It is still load heavy enough that there's a number of extensions people have made that do various kinds of caching, so that the Wordpress engine doesn't have to work as much.
    This forum, today as it responded quickly and the lookup was almost instant, rendered faster than the machine in my own LAN serving me Wordpress page.
    That is exactly the problem I faced before. The thing is so slow to output some text based stuff. Despite it's poor performance, Wordpress has become a standard adopted by many sites. I think big sites can throw powerful hardware to run it.

    IT has a trend, ie. no one cares about bandwidth as it becomes so cheap; no one cares about poor performance software, because hardware becomes so cheap. Service providers are also behand these trends. MSN has becomes a huge program, it takes a long time to load up when PC starts. In return, what do we get out of the new MSN? not too much, while the "Send" button disappeared for no reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nsu View Post
    That is exactly the problem I faced before. The thing is so slow to output some text based stuff. Despite it's poor performance, Wordpress has become a standard adopted by many sites. I think big sites can throw powerful hardware to run it.

    IT has a trend, ie. no one cares about bandwidth as it becomes so cheap; no one cares about poor performance software, because hardware becomes so cheap. Service providers are also behand these trends. MSN has becomes a huge program, it takes a long time to load up when PC starts. In return, what do we get out of the new MSN? not too much, while the "Send" button disappeared for no reason.
    on that note I notice that MSN are migrating their blog service (whatever they call it) to the Wordpress platform very soon
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    Quote Originally Posted by jokiin View Post
    on that note I notice that MSN are migrating their blog service (whatever they call it) to the Wordpress platform very soon
    This will be funny if it is true. . Wordpress is an open source project. Microsoft is taking an advantage of open source? Another thing is, Wordpress is php + MySQL based, not Microsoft's ASC + MS SQL based plateform, so unless they are rewriting Wordpress, MS will look really bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nsu View Post
    This will be funny if it is true. ..
    here's the notification that was sent

    Dear Windows Live Spaces customer,
    Important changes are coming to your Spaces account that affect you and will require you to choose an option that is right for you. We are very excited to announce our collaboration with a premier and innovative blogging service, WordPress.com, to offer you an upgraded blogging experience. We'll help you migrate your current Windows Live Spaces blog to WordPress.com or you can download it to save for later. You should know that On 16th March 2011 your current space will close.
    With the new release of Windows Live services, we've made a series of changes and improvements across our products. We chose to partner to provide our users with a fantastic blogging solution. However, we realise the changes will have an impact on you - this email aims to address any concerns you may have.
    Why is this happening?
    Our customers have asked for richer blog functionality including an integrated statistics system, continuous saving of drafts and improvements to spam-fighting technology. To deliver the best possible blogging experience, we are collaborating with WordPress.com to provide their free service to you. For those of you that already have a blog on Windows Live Spaces, we will make it easier for you to get started while helping you move what you've already built up on Spaces.
    What is the timeline?
    Starting at the end of September 2010, when you visit your Windows Live Space you'll be given the opportunity to upgrade your blog by migrating it to WordPress.com and to download your content to save for later.

    As of 4th January 2011, you won't be able to make changes to your Spaces blog, but you can continue to review past posts, download your content to save for later and upgrade your blog to WordPress.com.

    On 16th March 2011 Windows Live Spaces will close and you will not be able to access or migrate your blog on Spaces.
    What you need to do before Windows Live Spaces closes
    Starting at the end of September, when you visit your space you'll have the following options:
    • Upgrade your blog by migrating to WordPress.com - We will provide a simple way to move your blog posts and comments to WordPress.com.
    • Download your blog – You can download your old posts to keep a copy with you. You can also do this and then migrate to WordPress.com.
    • Delete your space - If you decide that you do not want to have a space anymore, you have the option to delete it permanently. If you want to save your content, please make sure to do that before deleting your space.
    • If you can't decide, take some time – Over the next few months, Windows Live Spaces will continue to be accessible while you make your decision. But we're very excited about what you can do on WordPress.com and hope you'll decide to take advantage of this improved blogging experience.
    Note: some content such as gadgets, guestbook, lists, notes and draft posts won't be migrated. See FAQs for more info on how to preserve this type of content.

    Go to your space to choose an option that's right for you.
    What you can expect by moving to WordPress.com
    All of your posts, comments and links will transfer, and you will have the option to share your blogging updates with your Messenger friends.
    On WordPress.com, you'll get tools to help you track how your blog is doing and who's visiting. You'll get tagging that enables people to find you, and for you to find like-minded people. It includes great blog comment functionality, and trackback spam prevention to help keep your experience clean. Take a look at more.
    Thanks for using Windows Live and we hope you enjoy the new blogging experience.
    Yours Sincerely,
    The Windows Live team
    Frequently Asked Questions
    Q: What is WordPress.com ?
    A: WordPress.com is a free blogging site, similar to Windows Live Spaces. On WordPress.com, you'll find great themes and widgets to customise your experience, tools to help you track how your blog is doing and who's visiting. You'll get tagging that enables people to find you, and for you to find like-minded people. It includes great blog comment functionality, and trackback spam prevention to help keep your experience clean.
    Q: What happens to my Windows Live Spaces content and what can I migrate?
    A: Here's a list of different functionality available on Windows Live Spaces today and what you can expect:
    • Blogs and comments: If you choose to migrate or download, your blog content (including inserted photos, videos and comments) comes with you.
    • Photos: Photos not part of your blog but part of Windows Live will continue to live on SkyDrive and, if you choose, you can continue to share them with others. Photos that were part of your blog will be migrated if you choose to migrate your blog. If you add any other modules provided by other services that shared your photos, those will not be migrated.
    • Visitors will know where to find you: If you migrate, existing links to your blog and specific articles will continue to work and your visitors will be redirected to your new location on WordPress.com. You'll also be able to keep your friends up to date with your latest posts on Windows Live Messenger.
    • Private blogs: If you have a private blog, your blog will be checked as private unless you choose another option during migration. You'll be able to share your blog back with your Windows Live Messenger friends or just choose to select a few people to invite to WordPress.com.
    • Gadgets, guestbook, lists, notes and draft posts: Unfortunately, you won't be able to move these. You might consider publishing your draft posts over the coming months and moving content in lists and notes into your blog before migrating.
    • Profile and Contacts modules: That information stays on Windows Live. You can add your new blog to your Profile and share it with your friends.

    Q: What can I expect between now and the date Windows Live Spaces closes?
    A: Starting at the end of September 2010, when you visit your space you'll be given the opportunity to upgrade your blog by migrating it to WordPress.com and to download your content to save for later. Your space will continue to be available for you to publish to. As of 4th January 2011, you will lose the ability to make changes to your Windows Live Spaces blog, but you can continue to review past posts, download your content to save for later and upgrade your blog to WordPress.com. On 16th March 2011, Windows Live Spaces will close and you will not be able to access or migrate your blog.
    Q: Where can I learn more?
    A: Are you a parent of a child who uses Windows Live Spaces? Do you have a private blog? Do you use Writer to publish to Windows Live Spaces? Do you have other questions? Please visit our Help Centre for additional information and resources.
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