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    Don’t mock the Monck

    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/11/2...ck/#more-51478

    Don’t mock the Monck
    Posted on November 20, 2011 by Anthony Watts
    Lord Monckton in Washington, D.C.

    Christopher Monckton - Image via Wikipedia

    Apparently, Monckton is a member of the House of Lords, according to
    constitutional lawyer in England.

    I don’t have a dog in this fight, I’m just in it for the popcorn
    sales. That said, here’s the plot summary.

    A lot of the alarmist side of blogosphere (especially John Cook at SkS
    and Tim Lambert at Deltoid) spent a lot of time trying to distract
    from the science presented during Lord Monckton’s summer tour in
    Australia. Of course, Monckton himself made some ugly distractions at
    the outset, with a poorly chosen comparison of Ross Garnaut.

    That row aside, basically as the tour went on, they didn’t like the
    message, so they attacked the man.

    Here’s how the peerage title tiff got started. Responding to some
    small outrage in the southern hemisphere, and some emails that came
    his way as a result, Dave Beamish, Clerk of the UK Parliaments, posted
    up a letter on the House of Lords’ official website telling Lord
    Monckton not to call himself a member of the House of Lords. Trouble
    is, Dave had gotten it wrong.

    Hundreds, perhaps thousands of articles, commentaries and blog
    postings were aimed at Monckton, for having answered an Australian
    Broadcasting Corporation radio interviewer in August 2011 by saying he
    was a member of the House of Lords, “but without the right to sit or
    vote”.

    This is sort of like being an “ex US senator”. They enjoy certain
    rights and privileges of the once held office, like getting to use the
    library and automobile parking in the senate, but they don’t get to
    vote of course. In England, these sorts of privileges get passed down
    hereditarily, such as in Monckton’s case. While “hereditary US
    Senator” probably wouldn’t fly in the USA, England and its Monarchy
    has its ways of tradition that don’t translate to such expectations in
    other countries.

    Monckton, on returning from Australia from his tour this autumn,
    consulted Hugh O’Donoghue, a leading constitutional lawyer at
    Carmelite Chambers, overlooking the River Thames just a mile
    downstream from the Houses of Parliament. His question: “Am I or am I
    not a member of the House of Lords?”

    O’Donoghue, who specializes in difficult human-rights cases and
    Peerage law, spent months carefully researching Monckton’s question.
    He says Lord Monckton “was and is correct at all points”. The
    conclusion of his 11-page opinion (see PDF at bottom of this
    article) , reviewing 1000 years of Peerage law, is clear on the issue:

    “Lord Monckton’s statement that he is a member of the House of
    Lords, albeit without the right to sit or vote, is unobjectionable.
    His claim is not a false or misleading claim. It is legitimate,
    proportionate, and reasonable. Likewise, Lord Monckton was correct
    when he wrote to the US Congress that ‘Letters Patent granting
    Peerages, and consequently membership [of the House of Lords], are the
    personal gift of the Monarch. Only a specific law can annul a grant.
    The 1999 Act was a general law.’ He legitimately drew attention to a
    parliamentary answer by no less a personage than the Leader of the
    House, making it plain that the Act was a general law and not a
    particular law that might have had the effect of revoking Letters
    Patent. We now have the recent authority of the High Court, in the
    Mereworth case, for Lord Monckton’s assertion that the 1999 Act did
    not revoke or annul his Letters Patent. Unless and until such
    revocation takes place, Lord Monckton remains a member of the House of
    Lords, and he is fully entitled to say so.”

    Lord Monckton has sent copies of the Opinion by registered mail to the
    Lord Speaker (Baroness d’Souza) and to the chairman of the Privileges
    Committee (Lord Brabazon of Tara). I have a copy too.

    Monckton said:

    “I am awaiting with interest the response of the soi-disant
    ‘authorities’ at the House of Lords to Mr. O’Donoghue’s definitive
    statement of the law as he sees it. At the very least, it is surely
    clear that I am entitled, in what is supposed to be a free society, to
    speak freely about my point of view.

    “Dave Beamish has made a prize ass of himself. This criminous
    clerk has brought the already-tarnished House of Lords and the ancient
    office of clericus Parliamentorum into further disrepute. His position
    is now untenable. He must resign at once, or be fired by the House. I
    was embarrassed by having had to deflect journalists’ questions about
    whether Dave has been in league with climate-extremist lobby groups. I
    was not and am not in a position to answer those questions.

    “I hope that, for the sake of sparing further harm to elderly and
    vulnerable family members who have been getting hate-mail as a result
    of Dave’s unprecedented and extraordinary abuse of his office, the
    House ‘authorities’ – if that is the right word – will have the common
    courtesy and good sense to take down his offending and offensive
    letter from Parliament’s website and replace it with an apology.”

    To people outside of England, who don’t deal in formal titles of
    hereditary peerage, this might look like an overblown egotistic row .
    But in England, such things are considered very important and are a
    tradition of position that affects families and reputations going back
    centuries.

    In short, Lord Monckton is not amused, less so at the boys down under
    than at the Clerk of Parliaments, Dave Beamish, in London. He adds in
    his letter:

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~

    The Summary of Mr. O’Donoghue’s learned Opinion reads as follows:

    “I am asked to consider whether The Viscount Monckton of Brenchley
    was correct when, in a recent radio interview in Australia, he
    answered the question ‘Are you a member of the House of Lords?’ by
    saying, ‘Yes, but without the right to sit or vote.’ My conclusion is
    that Lord Monckton’s answer was and is correct at all points. We have
    the authority of two Law Lords in the Privileges Committee that the
    meaning of the words ‘membership of the House’ in the Act is confined
    to the right to sit and vote. The implication is that in all other
    respects excluded Hereditary Peers remain members of the House. Also,
    the Letters Patent that created Peerages such as that of Monckton of
    Brenchley have not been revoked, and we have the recent authority both
    of the Leader of the House and of the High Court for that. Though the
    House of Lords Act 1999 purported to remove ‘membership of the House
    of Lords’ from excluded Hereditary Peers including Lord Monckton’s
    late father, its constitutionality is questionable. Peerages entail
    membership of the House. Lord Monckton is correct to state that he
    does not at present have the right to sit or vote, though if the 1999
    Act is unconstitutional the excluded Hereditary Peers are unlawfully
    excluded. Therefore, Lord Monckton remains a Member not only of the
    Peerage but also of the House of Lords, save only that he cannot for
    now sit or vote there, and he was and is fully entitled to say so.”

    The ancient common-law offense of wilful misfeasance in a public
    office gives the citizen the right of redress against a defalcating
    public official who might otherwise persist in his crime with
    impunity. In the present case, the rap-sheet might read as follows:

    “You, Dave Beamish, Clerk of the Parliaments, of the House of
    Lords, London, SW1A 0PW, are charged with wilful misfeasance in a
    public office, contrary to common law, in that, on a date unknown in
    July or August 2011, in London, you did knowingly and without lawful
    excuse cause to be posted on the House of Lords’ official website a
    letter to The Viscount Monckton of Brenchley falsely stating that the
    said Viscount Monckton of Brenchley is not entitled to say that he is
    a member of the House of Lords, and that upon repeated request to
    desist you wilfully and harmfully persisted in the said misfeasance.”

    Section 21 of the Data Protection Act 1998 creates the offense of
    unlawfully processing unregistered data. Here, the rap-sheet might
    read:

    “You, Dave Beamish, Clerk of the Parliaments, of the House of
    Lords, London, SW1A 0PW, are charged with unlawfully processing
    unregistered data, contrary to Section 21, Data Protection Act 1998,
    in that, on a date unknown in July or August 2011, in London, you did
    knowingly, harmfully and without lawful excuse cause sensitive
    personal information about The Viscount Monckton of Brenchley to be
    published on the House of Lords’ official website.”

    Article 8-1 of the European Human Rights Convention, enacted by the
    Human Rights Act 1998 in the UK, gives everyone “the right to respect
    for his private and family life, his home and his correspondence” and
    states plainly that (except on grounds manifestly inapplicable here)
    “there shall be no interference by a public authority with the
    exercise of this right”.

    Under Freedom of Information law the disclosure of the Clerk’s
    letter to Monckton is a misfeasance at least fourfold. The Act
    prohibits disclosure of the Clerk’s letter in that the disclosure is a
    breach of an enactment (the Human Rights Act); and a breach of a
    Community obligation (the EU has adopted the human rights convention);
    and the Act exempts disclosures of sensitive personal information (the
    Clerk could have given his opinion about excluded Hereditary Peers
    without mentioning Monckton by name); and exempts disclosures of
    confidential information (it was calculated to cause harm). Breaches
    of the Human Rights Act and of the FOIA do not give rise to offenses,
    but are actionable in damages, as is libel. A complaint has gone to
    the UK’s Information Commissioner. Furthermore, as Hugh O’Donoghue’s
    Opinion says: “Lord Monckton may legitimately raise not only the
    matter but also the manner of the conduct of officials of the House
    with the Privileges Committee.”

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~

    Lord Monckton is quite skilled in oratory skewering. Thus, I had to
    look up “defalcating”. It has roots in the bankruptcy code. I think
    he’s implying Mr. Beamish was/is morally bankrupt.

    In short, don’t mock the Monck for his title. Here’s the PDF of the
    legal opinion:

    O’Donoghue-lords-opinion (PDF 335k)



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    Re: =?windows-1252?Q?Don=92t_mock_the_Monck?=

    On 11/23/2011 11:44 AM, CROOKEDAGWJUNKSCIENCE wrote:
    > Temperatures are dropping on every continent, as the sun has entered a
    > reduced output phase................You should try to accept the truth.
    >


    **OK. Tell us: How long will this "reduced output phase" last?

    1 year?
    10 years?
    100 years?

    How long? Give us the science to back your claim.

    --
    Trevor Wilson
    www.rageaudio.com.au

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