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  1. #1
    Ext User(DonH) Guest

    Drongo goes Digital

    Yeah, taking the plunge from the old cathode ray tube set to the new liquid
    crystal display model, and thus from analogue to digital, in the process.
    The coaxial cable is now male-to-male (in keeping with modern trends),
    and plugs into "RF" on the new TV - whatever RF means.
    Auto-tune the channels? Alright. Only trouble is : no DTV-ABC
    (2,22,23,24) even if all other channels work perfectly. But ABC is there,
    on ATV.
    Perhaps the ABC operates on a lower, and/or weaker, Megahertz waveband?
    What band does it operate on? No clue, not like in the old radio days
    when such data was needed to find the station using a variable condenser.
    Phoned the makers of the TV set, who said to use "Restore Factory
    Defaults" (in case I'd stuffed things up?). Guess, what? Same reception
    result.
    Maybe need a better aerial...? Costs too much?



  2. #2
    Ext User(Brad) Guest

    Re: Drongo goes Digital

    Need a better antenna and new cable. Digital TV in the capital cities also uses ch 11 and 12 (225MHz) and your antenna probably has poor reception above 10 (211MHz). Reception at ch2 (67MHz) is no longer necessary, so some new vhf 'digital only' antennas no longer cover Band I and Band II, only BandIII (Ch's 6-12).

    Mine has 18 elements on Band III giving much better performance compared tothe old 'Metro' antenna that wasted elements trying to be a very broadbandantenna.

    The older cable has probably deteriorated over the decades and its loss hasperhaps doubled by now, so replacing it is suggested too.


  3. #3
    Ext User(Jonathan Wilson) Guest

    Re: Drongo goes Digital

    > Perhaps the ABC operates on a lower, and/or weaker, Megahertz waveband?
    > What band does it operate on? No clue, not like in the old radio days
    > when such data was needed to find the station using a variable condenser.
    > Phoned the makers of the TV set, who said to use "Restore Factory
    > Defaults" (in case I'd stuffed things up?). Guess, what? Same reception
    > result.

    I had the same problem and upon contacting the ABC reception advice line I
    was informed that many older aerials dont support the right frequencies for
    ABC digital.

  4. #4
    Ext User(DonH) Guest

    Re: Drongo goes Digital

    "Jonathan Wilson" <jfwfreo@tpgi.com.au> wrote in message
    news:4f20897a$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
    >> Perhaps the ABC operates on a lower, and/or weaker, Megahertz
    >> waveband?
    >> What band does it operate on? No clue, not like in the old radio
    >> days
    >> when such data was needed to find the station using a variable condenser.
    >> Phoned the makers of the TV set, who said to use "Restore Factory
    >> Defaults" (in case I'd stuffed things up?). Guess, what? Same reception
    >> result.

    > I had the same problem and upon contacting the ABC reception advice line I
    > was informed that many older aerials dont support the right frequencies
    > for ABC digital.


    # So, I'm forced to get a new TV antenna just to get the ABC?
    At present, I can receive (and quite clearly) - channels:
    1,3,7,9,10,11,12,30,32,33,34,44,70, 71,72,73,74,90,99 on DTV; and five
    channels on ATV (ABC, 7,9,10, SBS).
    Hence, while I only watch ABC for the news, it may be goodbye ABC come
    Dec 2013, when analogue disappears.
    Can't the ABC switch its output to some higher frequency (Mhz), or is it
    stuck with an inferior bandwidth?
    Meanwhile, the Govt doles out set-top boxes to seniors - and, problem
    solved?



  5. #5
    Ext User(DonH) Guest

    Re: Drongo goes Digital

    "Brad" <google2@vk2qq.com> wrote in message
    news:14039231.940.1327530436664.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@prdh15...
    Need a better antenna and new cable. Digital TV in the capital cities also
    uses ch 11 and 12 (225MHz) and your antenna probably has poor reception
    above 10 (211MHz). Reception at ch2 (67MHz) is no longer necessary, so some
    new vhf 'digital only' antennas no longer cover Band I and Band II, only
    Band III (Ch's 6-12).

    Mine has 18 elements on Band III giving much better performance compared to
    the old 'Metro' antenna that wasted elements trying to be a very broadband
    antenna.

    The older cable has probably deteriorated over the decades and its loss has
    perhaps doubled by now, so replacing it is suggested too.

    # From what I can gather from Internet, the following are DTV transmission
    frequencies (Mhz):
    ABC = 226.5
    Ch 7 = 177.5
    Ch 9 = 191.5
    Ch 10 = 219.5
    SBS = 564.5
    I assume this represents both audio and video output, or is an average of
    the two?



  6. #6
    Ext User(atec77) Guest

    Re: Drongo goes Digital

    On 26/01/2012 3:57 AM, DonH wrote:
    > Yeah, taking the plunge from the old cathode ray tube set to the new liquid
    > crystal display model, and thus from analogue to digital, in the process.
    > The coaxial cable is now male-to-male (in keeping with modern trends),
    > and plugs into "RF" on the new TV - whatever RF means.
    > Auto-tune the channels? Alright. Only trouble is : no DTV-ABC
    > (2,22,23,24) even if all other channels work perfectly. But ABC is there,
    > on ATV.
    > Perhaps the ABC operates on a lower, and/or weaker, Megahertz waveband?
    > What band does it operate on? No clue, not like in the old radio days
    > when such data was needed to find the station using a variable condenser.
    > Phoned the makers of the TV set, who said to use "Restore Factory
    > Defaults" (in case I'd stuffed things up?). Guess, what? Same reception
    > result.
    > Maybe need a better aerial...? Costs too much?
    >
    >

    You need an antenna with a developed "digital" section

    costs very little if you install your self

    http://www.matchmaster.com.au/Antenna-Selection-Guide

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  7. #7
    Ext User(annily) Guest

    Re: Drongo goes Digital

    On 27.01.12 03:31, DonH wrote:
    > "Jonathan Wilson"<jfwfreo@tpgi.com.au> wrote in message
    > news:4f20897a$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
    >>> Perhaps the ABC operates on a lower, and/or weaker, Megahertz
    >>> waveband?
    >>> What band does it operate on? No clue, not like in the old radio
    >>> days
    >>> when such data was needed to find the station using a variable condenser.
    >>> Phoned the makers of the TV set, who said to use "Restore Factory
    >>> Defaults" (in case I'd stuffed things up?). Guess, what? Same reception
    >>> result.

    >> I had the same problem and upon contacting the ABC reception advice line I
    >> was informed that many older aerials dont support the right frequencies
    >> for ABC digital.

    >
    > # So, I'm forced to get a new TV antenna just to get the ABC?
    > At present, I can receive (and quite clearly) - channels:
    > 1,3,7,9,10,11,12,30,32,33,34,44,70, 71,72,73,74,90,99 on DTV; and five
    > channels on ATV (ABC, 7,9,10, SBS).
    > Hence, while I only watch ABC for the news, it may be goodbye ABC come
    > Dec 2013, when analogue disappears.
    > Can't the ABC switch its output to some higher frequency (Mhz), or is it
    > stuck with an inferior bandwidth?


    They already did that in capital cities, as ABC digital is on VHF
    channel 12 whereas analog is on VHF channel 2. I think it's channel 12
    that some aerials had problems with, although you may be getting it on a
    different frequency (e.g. UHF), depending on where you are.

    --
    Long-time resident of Adelaide, South Australia,
    which probably influences my opinions.

  8. #8
    Ext User(atec77) Guest

    Re: Drongo goes Digital

    On 27/01/2012 3:01 AM, DonH wrote:
    > "Jonathan Wilson"<jfwfreo@tpgi.com.au> wrote in message
    > news:4f20897a$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
    >>> Perhaps the ABC operates on a lower, and/or weaker, Megahertz
    >>> waveband?
    >>> What band does it operate on? No clue, not like in the old radio
    >>> days
    >>> when such data was needed to find the station using a variable condenser.
    >>> Phoned the makers of the TV set, who said to use "Restore Factory
    >>> Defaults" (in case I'd stuffed things up?). Guess, what? Same reception
    >>> result.

    >> I had the same problem and upon contacting the ABC reception advice line I
    >> was informed that many older aerials dont support the right frequencies
    >> for ABC digital.

    >
    > # So, I'm forced to get a new TV antenna just to get the ABC?
    > At present, I can receive (and quite clearly) - channels:
    > 1,3,7,9,10,11,12,30,32,33,34,44,70, 71,72,73,74,90,99 on DTV; and five
    > channels on ATV (ABC, 7,9,10, SBS).
    > Hence, while I only watch ABC for the news, it may be goodbye ABC come
    > Dec 2013, when analogue disappears.
    > Can't the ABC switch its output to some higher frequency (Mhz), or is it
    > stuck with an inferior bandwidth?
    > Meanwhile, the Govt doles out set-top boxes to seniors - and, problem
    > solved?
    >
    >

    You have the abc in several formats however a new antenna will be
    required to find those missing , you have plenty so just do it

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  9. #9
    Ext User(Brad) Guest

    Re: Drongo goes Digital

    I think the new frequencies are actually channel centre, rather than Video Carrier frequencies as they were in the old analog(ue) system.

    The analog system consisted of several carriers with the sound sub-carriersnearer the top edge of the channel. The digital signals consist of many thousands of carriers and if you were to look at them on a spectrum analyser,you would see them all at the same strength. This means that you need an antenna with a reasonably flat response across the whole channel or you willlose data.

    The older 'metro' analog antennas were designed to cover up to Ch10, and that's about it. The gain, or sensitivity of the antenna rolled off rapidly above that. CH10 has moved up 1MHz and the two new digital channels above that are now being used. They will be received poorly by an old antenna. While detractors like to argue that there is no such thing as a 'digital antenna', there is a difference between an antenna designed to receive up to CH10, and one designed to pick up CH10, 11 & 12.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austral...cies#Australia


  10. #10
    Ext User(Brad) Guest

    Re: Drongo goes Digital

    Don't forget to replace the coaxial cable too. The older cable may have corroded, suffered water ingress, may be poor quality, or just aged badly. Use a good quality Quad shield RG6 on the new antenna. It's cheaper than an amplifier.

  11. #11
    Ext User(DonH) Guest

    Re: Drongo goes Digital

    "DonH" <donlhumphries@bigpond.com> wrote in message
    news:KnXTq.2146$v14.563@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpo nd.com...
    > Yeah, taking the plunge from the old cathode ray tube set to the new
    > liquid crystal display model, and thus from analogue to digital, in the
    > process.
    > The coaxial cable is now male-to-male (in keeping with modern trends),
    > and plugs into "RF" on the new TV - whatever RF means.
    > Auto-tune the channels? Alright. Only trouble is : no DTV-ABC
    > (2,22,23,24) even if all other channels work perfectly. But ABC is there,
    > on ATV.
    > Perhaps the ABC operates on a lower, and/or weaker, Megahertz waveband?
    > What band does it operate on? No clue, not like in the old radio days
    > when such data was needed to find the station using a variable condenser.
    > Phoned the makers of the TV set, who said to use "Restore Factory
    > Defaults" (in case I'd stuffed things up?). Guess, what? Same reception
    > result.
    > Maybe need a better aerial...? Costs too much?
    >


    # Well, from what I can glean from Internet, it seems that Mhz allocations
    for the basic DTV channels are (sorted by order of magnitude):
    Channel 7 = 177.5
    Channel 9 = 191.5
    Channel 10 = 219.5
    Ch 2 (ABC) = 226.5
    Ch 28 (SBS)= 564.5
    As the ABC is not at bottom of range, and I can receive all others, I see
    no reason why there would be an antenna problem - solely re the ABC.




  12. #12
    Ext User(Brad) Guest

    Re: Drongo goes Digital

    On Saturday, January 28, 2012 4:44:29 AM UTC+11, DonH wrote:

    > # Well, from what I can glean from Internet, it seems that Mhz allocations
    > for the basic DTV channels are (sorted by order of magnitude):
    > Channel 7 = 177.5
    > Channel 9 = 191.5
    > Channel 10 = 219.5
    > Ch 2 (ABC) = 226.5
    > Ch 28 (SBS)= 564.5
    > As the ABC is not at bottom of range, and I can receive all others, I see
    > no reason why there would be an antenna problem - solely re the ABC.



    Once more - because the ABC Digital is on Channel 12 and your VHF antenna is not made to cover that channel .The antenna also has UHF elements to cover CH28+. These are too small for CH12. There is a 'hole' in the coverage ofyour antenna as there was nothing of interest between 10 and 28 when it was manufactured.

    You have no reason to take my word for it, but it is true nonetheless. I used to work for an antenna manufacturer and designed many weird combinationsof elements to cover specific channel groups for country areas. Older antennas made in Australia did not cover any VHF frequencies above CH10. The UHF elements covered 28-65.

    And do not confuse the TV network names with the actual channels. Ch 7 Seven DTV is broadcast on CH 6. Nine Network is on 8. Digital Radio is on 9A, Ten Network is on 11 and ABC is on 12. The old 2,7,9,10 names are going to be a thing of the past. People in regional areas do not use them.

  13. #13
    Ext User(DonH) Guest

    Re: Drongo goes Digital

    "Brad" <google2@vk2qq.com> wrote in message
    news:10128592.56.1327700651856.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@prhq15...
    On Saturday, January 28, 2012 4:44:29 AM UTC+11, DonH wrote:

    > # Well, from what I can glean from Internet, it seems that Mhz allocations
    > for the basic DTV channels are (sorted by order of magnitude):
    > Channel 7 = 177.5
    > Channel 9 = 191.5
    > Channel 10 = 219.5
    > Ch 2 (ABC) = 226.5
    > Ch 28 (SBS)= 564.5
    > As the ABC is not at bottom of range, and I can receive all others, I
    > see
    > no reason why there would be an antenna problem - solely re the ABC.



    Once more - because the ABC Digital is on Channel 12 and your VHF antenna is
    not made to cover that channel .The antenna also has UHF elements to cover
    CH28+. These are too small for CH12. There is a 'hole' in the coverage of
    your antenna as there was nothing of interest between 10 and 28 when it was
    manufactured.

    You have no reason to take my word for it, but it is true nonetheless. I
    used to work for an antenna manufacturer and designed many weird
    combinations of elements to cover specific channel groups for country areas.
    Older antennas made in Australia did not cover any VHF frequencies above
    CH10. The UHF elements covered 28-65.

    And do not confuse the TV network names with the actual channels. Ch 7 Seven
    DTV is broadcast on CH 6. Nine Network is on 8. Digital Radio is on 9A, Ten
    Network is on 11 and ABC is on 12. The old 2,7,9,10 names are going to be a
    thing of the past. People in regional areas do not use them.

    # Thanks for the further info.
    I may decide to do without DTV-ABC, as all other reception is fine.
    This response, however, was received by email, earlier (from a
    professional):

    "Hi Don thanks for the enquiry, if your TV is receiving ABC on analogue and
    it is somewhat clear then there is no reason why digital shouldn't be
    getting it. It sounds like its an issue with the TV's Digital Tuner. Maybe
    call ******** # customer support to see if they have an answer for you."

    # (Brand name suppressed by me, here.)



  14. #14
    Ext User(Brad) Guest

    Re: Drongo goes Digital



    On Sunday, January 29, 2012 4:15:50 AM UTC+11, DonH wrote:
    > I may decide to do without DTV-ABC, as all other reception is fine.
    > This response, however, was received by email, earlier (from a
    > professional):
    >
    > "Hi Don thanks for the enquiry, if your TV is receiving ABC on analogue and
    > it is somewhat clear then there is no reason why digital shouldn't be
    > getting it. It sounds like its an issue with the TV's Digital Tuner. Maybe
    > call ******** # customer support to see if they have an answer for you."
    >
    > # (Brand name suppressed by me, here.)



    That's just plain wrong. You cannot blindly state that the reception of CH2(for which the antenna is designed) should be equal to the reception of CH12 (for which the antenna is probably not designed.)

    You need a new antenna. An antenna installer can do a survey for you. They can measure the strength of the ABC digital signal at the antenna cable plug and tell you if it is strong enough. They can also put a temporary antenna on the roof and let you see the improvement for yourself.

  15. #15
    Ext User(DonH) Guest

    Re: Drongo goes Digital

    "Brad" <google2@vk2qq.com> wrote in message
    news:5711129.405.1327802783494.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@prlv30...


    On Sunday, January 29, 2012 4:15:50 AM UTC+11, DonH wrote:
    > I may decide to do without DTV-ABC, as all other reception is fine.
    > This response, however, was received by email, earlier (from a
    > professional):
    >
    > "Hi Don thanks for the enquiry, if your TV is receiving ABC on analogue
    > and
    > it is somewhat clear then there is no reason why digital shouldn't be
    > getting it. It sounds like its an issue with the TV's Digital Tuner. Maybe
    > call ******** # customer support to see if they have an answer for you."
    >
    > # (Brand name suppressed by me, here.)



    That's just plain wrong. You cannot blindly state that the reception of CH2
    (for which the antenna is designed) should be equal to the reception of CH12
    (for which the antenna is probably not designed.)

    You need a new antenna. An antenna installer can do a survey for you. They
    can measure the strength of the ABC digital signal at the antenna cable plug
    and tell you if it is strong enough. They can also put a temporary antenna
    on the roof and let you see the improvement for yourself.

    # Alright, point taken.
    Can you recommend a TV antenna expert in the Camberwell, Vic, area, who
    will give an assessment, at reasonable price?
    As I said earlier, I can live without ABC, if necessary, but it does seem
    odd that it is the one channel or bandwidth which is unavailable, while all
    other DTV channels give excellent results.
    Currently, I can receive ABC on analog, on this new TV set, but, come Dec
    2013, it may be goodbye to anything ABC.
    (Incidentally, Dick Smith Electronics markets a plug-in TV Amplifier, for
    about $30 - any use?)



  16. #16
    Ext User(Brad) Guest

    Re: Drongo goes Digital

    On Monday, January 30, 2012 2:35:12 AM UTC+11, DonH wrote:
    > "Brad" <goo...@vk2qq.com> wrote in message
    > news:5711129.405.1327802783494.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@prlv30...
    >
    >
    > On Sunday, January 29, 2012 4:15:50 AM UTC+11, DonH wrote:
    > > I may decide to do without DTV-ABC, as all other reception is fine.
    > > This response, however, was received by email, earlier (from a
    > > professional):
    > >
    > > "Hi Don thanks for the enquiry, if your TV is receiving ABC on analogue
    > > and
    > > it is somewhat clear then there is no reason why digital shouldn't be
    > > getting it. It sounds like its an issue with the TV's Digital Tuner. Maybe
    > > call ******** # customer support to see if they have an answer for you."
    > >
    > > # (Brand name suppressed by me, here.)

    >
    >
    > That's just plain wrong. You cannot blindly state that the reception of CH2
    > (for which the antenna is designed) should be equal to the reception of CH12
    > (for which the antenna is probably not designed.)
    >
    > You need a new antenna. An antenna installer can do a survey for you. They
    > can measure the strength of the ABC digital signal at the antenna cable plug
    > and tell you if it is strong enough. They can also put a temporary antenna
    > on the roof and let you see the improvement for yourself.
    >
    > # Alright, point taken.
    > Can you recommend a TV antenna expert in the Camberwell, Vic, area, who
    > will give an assessment, at reasonable price?


    No, I can't.

    > As I said earlier, I can live without ABC, if necessary, but it does seem
    > odd that it is the one channel or bandwidth which is unavailable, while all
    > other DTV channels give excellent results.


    It is not odd at all. It's perfectly plain, if you understood what I wrote.

    > Currently, I can receive ABC on analog, on this new TV set, but, come Dec
    > 2013, it may be goodbye to anything ABC.


    That's just silly, for that sake of an antenna you will forsake 3 additional channels.

    > (Incidentally, Dick Smith Electronics markets a plug-in TV Amplifier, for
    > about $30 - any use?)


    No. Don't amplify noise. Pick up a stronger signal in the first place.


  17. #17
    Ext User(atec77) Guest

    Re: Drongo goes Digital

    On 30/01/2012 1:35 AM, DonH wrote:
    > "Brad"<google2@vk2qq.com> wrote in message
    > news:5711129.405.1327802783494.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@prlv30...
    >
    >
    > On Sunday, January 29, 2012 4:15:50 AM UTC+11, DonH wrote:
    >> I may decide to do without DTV-ABC, as all other reception is fine.
    >> This response, however, was received by email, earlier (from a
    >> professional):
    >>
    >> "Hi Don thanks for the enquiry, if your TV is receiving ABC on analogue
    >> and
    >> it is somewhat clear then there is no reason why digital shouldn't be
    >> getting it. It sounds like its an issue with the TV's Digital Tuner. Maybe
    >> call ******** # customer support to see if they have an answer for you."
    >>
    >> # (Brand name suppressed by me, here.)

    >
    >
    > That's just plain wrong. You cannot blindly state that the reception of CH2
    > (for which the antenna is designed) should be equal to the reception of CH12
    > (for which the antenna is probably not designed.)
    >
    > You need a new antenna. An antenna installer can do a survey for you. They
    > can measure the strength of the ABC digital signal at the antenna cable plug
    > and tell you if it is strong enough. They can also put a temporary antenna
    > on the roof and let you see the improvement for yourself.
    >
    > # Alright, point taken.
    > Can you recommend a TV antenna expert in the Camberwell, Vic, area, who
    > will give an assessment, at reasonable price?
    > As I said earlier, I can live without ABC, if necessary, but it does seem
    > odd that it is the one channel or bandwidth which is unavailable, while all
    > other DTV channels give excellent results.
    > Currently, I can receive ABC on analog, on this new TV set, but, come Dec
    > 2013, it may be goodbye to anything ABC.
    > (Incidentally, Dick Smith Electronics markets a plug-in TV Amplifier, for
    > about $30 - any use?)
    >
    >

    Just go check your local paper , spend the $120 odd and loosen the grip
    on your purse
    sop

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  18. #18
    Ext User(DonH) Guest

    Re: Drongo goes Digital

    "atec77" <atec77@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:jg52lq$66t$2@dont-email.me...
    > On 30/01/2012 1:35 AM, DonH wrote:
    >> "Brad"<google2@vk2qq.com> wrote in message
    >> news:5711129.405.1327802783494.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@prlv30...
    >>
    >>
    >> On Sunday, January 29, 2012 4:15:50 AM UTC+11, DonH wrote:
    >>> I may decide to do without DTV-ABC, as all other reception is fine.
    >>> This response, however, was received by email, earlier (from a
    >>> professional):
    >>>
    >>> "Hi Don thanks for the enquiry, if your TV is receiving ABC on analogue
    >>> and
    >>> it is somewhat clear then there is no reason why digital shouldn't be
    >>> getting it. It sounds like its an issue with the TV's Digital Tuner.
    >>> Maybe
    >>> call ******** # customer support to see if they have an answer for you."
    >>>
    >>> # (Brand name suppressed by me, here.)

    >>
    >>
    >> That's just plain wrong. You cannot blindly state that the reception of
    >> CH2
    >> (for which the antenna is designed) should be equal to the reception of
    >> CH12
    >> (for which the antenna is probably not designed.)
    >>
    >> You need a new antenna. An antenna installer can do a survey for you.
    >> They
    >> can measure the strength of the ABC digital signal at the antenna cable
    >> plug
    >> and tell you if it is strong enough. They can also put a temporary
    >> antenna
    >> on the roof and let you see the improvement for yourself.
    >>
    >> # Alright, point taken.
    >> Can you recommend a TV antenna expert in the Camberwell, Vic, area,
    >> who
    >> will give an assessment, at reasonable price?
    >> As I said earlier, I can live without ABC, if necessary, but it does
    >> seem
    >> odd that it is the one channel or bandwidth which is unavailable, while
    >> all
    >> other DTV channels give excellent results.
    >> Currently, I can receive ABC on analog, on this new TV set, but, come
    >> Dec
    >> 2013, it may be goodbye to anything ABC.
    >> (Incidentally, Dick Smith Electronics markets a plug-in TV Amplifier,
    >> for
    >> about $30 - any use?)
    >>
    >>

    > Just go check your local paper , spend the $120 odd and loosen the grip on
    > your purse
    > sop
    >
    > --
    > X-No-Archive: Yes
    >


    # Well, I relented and got in the TV specialist.
    Yes, a new antenna fixed the problem.
    So, that's my daughter set up with digital, at her home.
    Now for me; firstly I still use the old ribbon lead from the wall plug,
    not co-axial cable...



  19. #19
    Ext User(atec77) Guest

    Re: Drongo goes Digital

    On 6/02/2012 4:36 AM, DonH wrote:
    > "atec77"<atec77@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:jg52lq$66t$2@dont-email.me...
    >> On 30/01/2012 1:35 AM, DonH wrote:
    >>> "Brad"<google2@vk2qq.com> wrote in message
    >>> news:5711129.405.1327802783494.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@prlv30...
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> On Sunday, January 29, 2012 4:15:50 AM UTC+11, DonH wrote:
    >>>> I may decide to do without DTV-ABC, as all other reception is fine.
    >>>> This response, however, was received by email, earlier (from a
    >>>> professional):
    >>>>
    >>>> "Hi Don thanks for the enquiry, if your TV is receiving ABC on analogue
    >>>> and
    >>>> it is somewhat clear then there is no reason why digital shouldn't be
    >>>> getting it. It sounds like its an issue with the TV's Digital Tuner.
    >>>> Maybe
    >>>> call ******** # customer support to see if they have an answer for you."
    >>>>
    >>>> # (Brand name suppressed by me, here.)
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> That's just plain wrong. You cannot blindly state that the reception of
    >>> CH2
    >>> (for which the antenna is designed) should be equal to the reception of
    >>> CH12
    >>> (for which the antenna is probably not designed.)
    >>>
    >>> You need a new antenna. An antenna installer can do a survey for you.
    >>> They
    >>> can measure the strength of the ABC digital signal at the antenna cable
    >>> plug
    >>> and tell you if it is strong enough. They can also put a temporary
    >>> antenna
    >>> on the roof and let you see the improvement for yourself.
    >>>
    >>> # Alright, point taken.
    >>> Can you recommend a TV antenna expert in the Camberwell, Vic, area,
    >>> who
    >>> will give an assessment, at reasonable price?
    >>> As I said earlier, I can live without ABC, if necessary, but it does
    >>> seem
    >>> odd that it is the one channel or bandwidth which is unavailable, while
    >>> all
    >>> other DTV channels give excellent results.
    >>> Currently, I can receive ABC on analog, on this new TV set, but, come
    >>> Dec
    >>> 2013, it may be goodbye to anything ABC.
    >>> (Incidentally, Dick Smith Electronics markets a plug-in TV Amplifier,
    >>> for
    >>> about $30 - any use?)
    >>>
    >>>

    >> Just go check your local paper , spend the $120 odd and loosen the grip on
    >> your purse
    >> sop
    >>
    >> --
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    >>

    >
    > # Well, I relented and got in the TV specialist.
    > Yes, a new antenna fixed the problem.
    > So, that's my daughter set up with digital, at her home.
    > Now for me; firstly I still use the old ribbon lead from the wall plug,
    > not co-axial cable...
    >
    >

    Never relenting tight arse eh Don

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  20. #20
    Ext User(DonH) Guest

    Re: Drongo goes Digital

    "atec77" <atec77@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:jgoi1o$o7l$2@dont-email.me...
    > On 6/02/2012 4:36 AM, DonH wrote:
    >> "atec77"<atec77@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    >> news:jg52lq$66t$2@dont-email.me...
    >>> On 30/01/2012 1:35 AM, DonH wrote:
    >>>> "Brad"<google2@vk2qq.com> wrote in message
    >>>> news:5711129.405.1327802783494.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@prlv30...
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> On Sunday, January 29, 2012 4:15:50 AM UTC+11, DonH wrote:
    >>>>> I may decide to do without DTV-ABC, as all other reception is
    >>>>> fine.
    >>>>> This response, however, was received by email, earlier (from a
    >>>>> professional):
    >>>>>
    >>>>> "Hi Don thanks for the enquiry, if your TV is receiving ABC on
    >>>>> analogue
    >>>>> and
    >>>>> it is somewhat clear then there is no reason why digital shouldn't be
    >>>>> getting it. It sounds like its an issue with the TV's Digital Tuner.
    >>>>> Maybe
    >>>>> call ******** # customer support to see if they have an answer for
    >>>>> you."
    >>>>>
    >>>>> # (Brand name suppressed by me, here.)
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> That's just plain wrong. You cannot blindly state that the reception of
    >>>> CH2
    >>>> (for which the antenna is designed) should be equal to the reception of
    >>>> CH12
    >>>> (for which the antenna is probably not designed.)
    >>>>
    >>>> You need a new antenna. An antenna installer can do a survey for you.
    >>>> They
    >>>> can measure the strength of the ABC digital signal at the antenna cable
    >>>> plug
    >>>> and tell you if it is strong enough. They can also put a temporary
    >>>> antenna
    >>>> on the roof and let you see the improvement for yourself.
    >>>>
    >>>> # Alright, point taken.
    >>>> Can you recommend a TV antenna expert in the Camberwell, Vic,
    >>>> area,
    >>>> who
    >>>> will give an assessment, at reasonable price?
    >>>> As I said earlier, I can live without ABC, if necessary, but it
    >>>> does
    >>>> seem
    >>>> odd that it is the one channel or bandwidth which is unavailable, while
    >>>> all
    >>>> other DTV channels give excellent results.
    >>>> Currently, I can receive ABC on analog, on this new TV set, but,
    >>>> come
    >>>> Dec
    >>>> 2013, it may be goodbye to anything ABC.
    >>>> (Incidentally, Dick Smith Electronics markets a plug-in TV
    >>>> Amplifier,
    >>>> for
    >>>> about $30 - any use?)
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>> Just go check your local paper , spend the $120 odd and loosen the grip
    >>> on
    >>> your purse
    >>> sop
    >>>
    >>> --
    >>> X-No-Archive: Yes
    >>>

    >>
    >> # Well, I relented and got in the TV specialist.
    >> Yes, a new antenna fixed the problem.
    >> So, that's my daughter set up with digital, at her home.
    >> Now for me; firstly I still use the old ribbon lead from the wall
    >> plug,
    >> not co-axial cable...
    >>
    >>

    > Never relenting tight arse eh Don
    >


    # If you think I'm going to spend $200 (as advised) to get an expert in to
    change the wall socket, which I could probably do with a screwdriver (and a
    bit of knowledge), then forget it.
    OK, which of the two prongs of a ribbon lead is audio, and which is video?
    Ever noticed that people are always free with advice when it comes to
    spending another person's money? "Financial advisers" only do what you
    could do yourself - and charge a fee.
    "You are a tight arse; I am merely prudent."




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