Goodbye to Windows Live

[Ext User(GreyCloud)]

On 6/6/2012 3:58 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
> On Wed, 06 Jun 2012 15:06:09 -0600, GreyCloud<mist@cumulus.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 6/6/2012 2:43 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
>>> On Wed, 06 Jun 2012 15:14:27 -0400, Wolf K<wekirch@sympatico.ca>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 06/06/2012 1:44 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
>>>>> I've never seen any documentation from Microsoft where they referred
>>>>> to NT as New Technology. Has anyone else?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_NT
>>>
>>> I'm not sure if that qualifies, but thanks.
>>>
>> I remember that era... and I do recall a fellow in our work group that
>> did say he purchased it and calling it New Technology. Also saw ads in
>> Byte magazine at the time calling it as such.
>
> I have similar memories. So far, nothing from Microsoft, however.
>
That is rather unusual that they do not recount history.

[Ext User(Stephen Wolstenholme)]

On Wed, 06 Jun 2012 12:44:23 -0500, Char Jackson <none@none.invalid>
wrote:

>On Wed, 6 Jun 2012 08:43:46 -0700, Jake <not@to.me.invalid> wrote:
>
>>In article <XnsA0697DB59E306nilch1@wheedledeedle.moc>, "Nil"
>><rednoise@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> said...
>>>
>>> > And also note that Microsoft denies that NT stands for anything.
>>>
>>> I'm pretty sure they didn't deny it back then. We got reams of
>>> promotional and technical literature about it back when it was
>>> introduced, and I'm almost certain that the phrase was liberally
>>> bandied about.
>>
>>They said it stood for New Technology.
>
>I've never seen any documentation from Microsoft where they referred
>to NT as New Technology. Has anyone else?

Many, many years ago I went to a Microsoft presentation before NT came
out and it was called New Technology. Microsoft stopped calling New
Technology a few years later because it was old!

Steve

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[Ext User(Char Jackson)]

On Thu, 07 Jun 2012 10:56:06 +0100, Stephen Wolstenholme
<steve@npsl1.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 06 Jun 2012 12:44:23 -0500, Char Jackson <none@none.invalid>
>wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 6 Jun 2012 08:43:46 -0700, Jake <not@to.me.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>In article <XnsA0697DB59E306nilch1@wheedledeedle.moc>, "Nil"
>>><rednoise@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> said...
>>>>
>>>> > And also note that Microsoft denies that NT stands for anything.
>>>>
>>>> I'm pretty sure they didn't deny it back then. We got reams of
>>>> promotional and technical literature about it back when it was
>>>> introduced, and I'm almost certain that the phrase was liberally
>>>> bandied about.
>>>
>>>They said it stood for New Technology.
>>
>>I've never seen any documentation from Microsoft where they referred
>>to NT as New Technology. Has anyone else?
>
>Many, many years ago I went to a Microsoft presentation before NT came
>out and it was called New Technology. Microsoft stopped calling New
>Technology a few years later because it was old!

Thanks. I guess that's as close as we're going to get at this point.
Wikipedia articles and our fading memories.

Personally, I remember hearing lots of people come to the conclusion
that NT meant New Technology, but like the rest of the folks who've
responded, I never saw anything directly from MS that said that.

--

Char Jackson

[Ext User(Ken Blake)]

On Wed, 6 Jun 2012 16:41:30 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
<not-me@other.invalid> wrote:

> On Wed, 06 Jun 2012 16:11:39 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 6 Jun 2012 14:26:57 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
> > <not-me@other.invalid> wrote:

> >> BTW, isn't caffè latte two words?
> >
> > I've seen it both ways, and don't know for sure, but I think one word
> > is correct.
>
> My Italian dictionary gives "caffè" and "latte",


Sure, "coffee" and "milk."


> but not "caffelatte".


But caffelatte is neither coffee nor mil, it's a different drink made
from both.


> I've also never seen "caffelatte" before your post...


I've been going by what I've seen in menus in bars in my many trips to
Italy. As I said, my memory *could* be wrong, but I'm almost sure
that's what I've mostly seen.


> Google's response to caffelatte consists of many references
> to "caffè latte" with the single word version only inside URLs.


OK, but Google doesn't tell us what's right, it tells us what people
put on their web sites. If I'm right about its being a single word,
and Google shows it as two, then most people get it wrong.

I just checked my Italian dictionary (Cassell's) and they have
"caffelatte."

And checking Google led me to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latte which
says "the Italian caffè latte or caffellatte." Note the *terrible*
misspelling of caffelatte, with two ts.

And also note that it says "A latte ... is a coffee drink made with
espresso and steamed milk. That's completely wrong, as far as I'm
concerned. Latte is milk; a caffelatte is a coffee drink made with
espresso and steamed milk.

Wikipedia is not always right.

[Ext User(Gene E. Bloch)]

On Thu, 07 Jun 2012 10:56:06 +0100, Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:

> On Wed, 06 Jun 2012 12:44:23 -0500, Char Jackson <none@none.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 6 Jun 2012 08:43:46 -0700, Jake <not@to.me.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>In article <XnsA0697DB59E306nilch1@wheedledeedle.moc>, "Nil"
>>><rednoise@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> said...
>>>>
>>>> > And also note that Microsoft denies that NT stands for anything.
>>>>
>>>> I'm pretty sure they didn't deny it back then. We got reams of
>>>> promotional and technical literature about it back when it was
>>>> introduced, and I'm almost certain that the phrase was liberally
>>>> bandied about.
>>>
>>>They said it stood for New Technology.
>>
>>I've never seen any documentation from Microsoft where they referred
>>to NT as New Technology. Has anyone else?
>
> Many, many years ago I went to a Microsoft presentation before NT came
> out and it was called New Technology. Microsoft stopped calling New
> Technology a few years later because it was old!

Le Pont Neuf ("The New Bridge") in Paris, built in the late XVI - Early
XVII Century, is the oldest bridge in Paris, so I have to ask "What is
it with these Microsoft upstarts?".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pont_Neuf

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

[Ext User(Gene Wirchenko)]

On Thu, 07 Jun 2012 09:53:47 -0700, Ken Blake <kblake@kb.invalid>
wrote:

[snip]

>But caffelatte is neither coffee nor mil, it's a different drink made
>from both.

How about some ice cream?

(Should I be suggesting gelato instead?)

[snip]

>And also note that it says "A latte ... is a coffee drink made with
>espresso and steamed milk. That's completely wrong, as far as I'm
>concerned. Latte is milk; a caffelatte is a coffee drink made with
>espresso and steamed milk.
>
>Wikipedia is not always right.

No!

One problem that I find with Wikipedia is that each article is
written at one level. For example, try looking up something in
mathematics that you do not already understand. Chances are the
explanation will be at the level of someone who already knows. The
usefulness to you might be very minimal.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

[Ext User(Gene Wirchenko)]

On Thu, 07 Jun 2012 10:56:06 +0100, Stephen Wolstenholme
<steve@npsl1.com> wrote:

[snip]

>Many, many years ago I went to a Microsoft presentation before NT came
>out and it was called New Technology. Microsoft stopped calling New
>Technology a few years later because it was old!

What else would you expect?

In electronics chips, there was LSI (Large Scale Integration),
then VLSI and I think VVLSI and other extensions.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

[Ext User(John Williamson)]

Gene E. Bloch wrote:
>
> Le Pont Neuf ("The New Bridge") in Paris, built in the late XVI - Early
> XVII Century, is the oldest bridge in Paris, so I have to ask "What is
> it with these Microsoft upstarts?".
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pont_Neuf
>
There are a few "pont neuf" type names about, in the same way as there
is a "New Inn" in many, many, British towns. They are almost always the
oldest of their type in town, but they *were* in most cases, the second
to be built.

To get back to NT, I wonder if any of the computer magazines have issues
from 1993 available on-line? I've done a quick search and got no
positives, but this is a slow connection.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

[Ext User(J. P. Gilliver (John))]

In message <mbcss7d1nq800pe2ltnr6p4ikk1neb1hbu@4ax.com>, Tim Slattery
<Slattery_T@bls.gov> writes:
>Ken Blake <kblake@kb.invalid> wrote:
>
>>And also note that Microsoft denies that NT stands for anything.
>
>Quite a few companies do that trick. The SAS institute's name, for
>instance, originally stood for "Statistical Analysis System". Now they
>say it means nothing. And AARP was "American Association of Retired
>People". Now that also means nothing.
>
>Commonplace, but dumb.
>
Not necessarily dumb; people become familiar with a set of initials, as
representing a company or product, and the association remains long
after the original name has little relationship to what the company now
does or the product now is. The UK has plenty of examples too - BP, ICI,
BAE SYSTEMS, GKN ...
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fact. - Thomas Henry Huxley

[Ext User(Gene Wirchenko)]

On Thu, 7 Jun 2012 21:33:01 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
<G6JPG@soft255.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>In message <mbcss7d1nq800pe2ltnr6p4ikk1neb1hbu@4ax.com>, Tim Slattery
><Slattery_T@bls.gov> writes:
>>Ken Blake <kblake@kb.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>And also note that Microsoft denies that NT stands for anything.
>>
>>Quite a few companies do that trick. The SAS institute's name, for
>>instance, originally stood for "Statistical Analysis System". Now they
>>say it means nothing. And AARP was "American Association of Retired
>>People". Now that also means nothing.
>>
>>Commonplace, but dumb.
>>
>Not necessarily dumb; people become familiar with a set of initials, as
>representing a company or product, and the association remains long
>after the original name has little relationship to what the company now
>does or the product now is. The UK has plenty of examples too - BP, ICI,
>BAE SYSTEMS, GKN ...

KFC (Kentucky Fried Chicken).

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

[Ext User(John Williamson)]

Gene Wirchenko wrote:

>>>
>> Not necessarily dumb; people become familiar with a set of initials, as
>> representing a company or product, and the association remains long
>> after the original name has little relationship to what the company now
>> does or the product now is. The UK has plenty of examples too - BP, ICI,
>> BAE SYSTEMS, GKN ...

BP, which used to stand for British Petroleum, now stands, allegedly,
for Beyond Petroleum, as signified by their new logo of a green
sunburst, which is supposed to make us think of solar power.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

[Ext User(Gene Wirchenko)]

On Fri, 08 Jun 2012 01:10:25 +0100, John Williamson
<johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:

>Gene Wirchenko wrote:
>
>>>>
>>> Not necessarily dumb; people become familiar with a set of initials, as
>>> representing a company or product, and the association remains long
>>> after the original name has little relationship to what the company now
>>> does or the product now is. The UK has plenty of examples too - BP, ICI,
>>> BAE SYSTEMS, GKN ...
>
>BP, which used to stand for British Petroleum, now stands, allegedly,
>for Beyond Petroleum, as signified by their new logo of a green
>sunburst, which is supposed to make us think of solar power.

And not the Caribbean? Near a certain spill?

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

[Ext User(John Williamson)]

Gene Wirchenko wrote:
> On Fri, 08 Jun 2012 01:10:25 +0100, John Williamson
> <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>> Gene Wirchenko wrote:
>>
>>>> Not necessarily dumb; people become familiar with a set of initials, as
>>>> representing a company or product, and the association remains long
>>>> after the original name has little relationship to what the company now
>>>> does or the product now is. The UK has plenty of examples too - BP, ICI,
>>>> BAE SYSTEMS, GKN ...
>> BP, which used to stand for British Petroleum, now stands, allegedly,
>> for Beyond Petroleum, as signified by their new logo of a green
>> sunburst, which is supposed to make us think of solar power.
>
> And not the Caribbean? Near a certain spill?
>
I think they're still trying to shift the blame for that one. The logo
and name change came before the spill, on this side of the Atlantic at
least.
--
Tciao for Now!

John.

[Ext User(J. P. Gilliver (John))]

In message <a3cu7fF8fdU1@mid.individual.net>, John Williamson
<johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> writes:
>Gene Wirchenko wrote:
>
>>>>
>>> Not necessarily dumb; people become familiar with a set of initials,
>>>as representing a company or product, and the association remains
>>>long after the original name has little relationship to what the
>>>company now does or the product now is. The UK has plenty of
>>>examples too - BP, ICI, BAE SYSTEMS, GKN ...
>
>BP, which used to stand for British Petroleum, now stands, allegedly,
>for Beyond Petroleum, as signified by their new logo of a green
>sunburst, which is supposed to make us think of solar power.
>
When I lived in Germany (196x-198x, more or less), there it stood for
Benzin Petroleum, Benzin being the German word for one variety of
petrol/gas (Benzin and Super being analogous - roughly - to what in UK
was two and four star, and in USA I think regular and premium; basically
octane rating, I think).
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