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  1. #61
    Ext User(D Walford) Guest

    Re: Holden Captiva - Opinions?

    On 25/07/2013 8:37 AM, John_H wrote:
    > D Walford wrote:
    >> On 24/07/2013 5:26 PM, John_H wrote:
    >>>
    >>> *The main significance of the maximum torque figure is where it occurs
    >>> in the rev range relative to maximum power, which is what determines
    >>> the engine's power band.*
    >>>
    >>> When Noddy comes good with the vital information he omitted I might be
    >>> able to demonstrate why (but I won't be holding my breath). :)
    >>>

    >> I hope he knows what you are talking about because I don't.

    >
    > Let's just say it brings back a few memories. :)
    >
    > My old man was a motor mechanic whose basic high school education
    > didn't extend to maths and science. A close relly of my mum's was a
    > graduate engineer who was a lecturer at the SA Institute of Technology
    > (which I later attended as a student).
    >
    > They never agreed on anything, and according to the old man the
    > engineer thought he knew all about cars but the useless bastard
    > couldn't even fix one! The engineer reckoned my old man might have
    > been able to fix cars but the poor silly bastard didn't even know what
    > made them work!
    >
    > Both were right but neither ever admitted it. :)


    Sounds like my former next door neighbour, he was a mechanic engineer
    who worked for Ford, he liked to tinker with cars but often he would
    have difficulty fixing something and he would ask me to show him how.
    My mate who owns the Clubmans is a civil engineer, he was great on the
    theory when we were building his first Clubman such as knowing how to
    understand the chassis bending and twisting tests but completely
    hopeless with some basic things, he would bolt something to the car and
    ask me if that was OK and he didn't get it when I told him coach bolts
    were definitely not OK.
    I treated him like a first year apprentice and he did eventually learn
    enough to now 12yrs later that he does all the work himself now without
    ringing me twice a day:-)
    I admit I am not good on theory probably because it doesn't interest me
    in the slightest, I rarely work on cars any more either.
    --
    Daryl

  2. #62
    Ext User(John_H) Guest

    Re: Holden Captiva - Opinions?

    D Walford wrote:
    >On 25/07/2013 8:37 AM, John_H wrote:
    >
    >I admit I am not good on theory probably because it doesn't interest me
    >in the slightest, I rarely work on cars any more either.


    Motor mechanics aren't taught advanced theory and those with a
    technical education don't usually become motor mechanics.

    Athol, who used to post here, was a qualified motor mechanic as well
    as graduate engineer and would be one of very, very few.

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    John H

  3. #63
    Ext User() Guest

    Re: Holden Captiva - Opinions?

    On Sunday, July 21, 2013 6:54:14 PM UTC+10, Marts wrote:
    > Missus has her eye on a Captiva LX diesel. Seems to tick all the boxes.
    >
    > Just wondering what people here think of the car.
    >
    >
    >
    > This one's a used 2011 Series II model.
    >
    >
    >
    > Dealer has it on the lot for about $30k.


    Waste of time, buy a Japanese or Korean SUV, you will thank me latter

  4. #64
    Ext User(Noddy) Guest

    Re: Holden Captiva - Opinions?


    "John_H" <john4721@inbox.com> wrote in message
    news:ucs0v8t9gpmkc87rtdr1taun50vj5cpnnq@4ax.com...

    > Motor mechanics aren't taught advanced theory and those with a
    > technical education don't usually become motor mechanics.


    Thankfully.

    > Athol, who used to post here, was a qualified motor mechanic as well
    > as graduate engineer and would be one of very, very few.


    Thankfully :)

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    Regards,
    Noddy



  5. #65
    Ext User(Jason James) Guest

    Re: Holden Captiva - Opinions?

    D Walford wrote:>
    > Sounds like my former next door neighbour, he was a mechanic engineer
    > who worked for Ford, he liked to tinker with cars but often he would
    > have difficulty fixing something and he would ask me to show him how.
    > My mate who owns the Clubmans is a civil engineer, he was great on the
    > theory when we were building his first Clubman such as knowing how to
    > understand the chassis bending and twisting tests but completely
    > hopeless with some basic things, he would bolt something to the car and
    > ask me if that was OK and he didn't get it when I told him coach bolts
    > were definitely not OK.
    > I treated him like a first year apprentice and he did eventually learn
    > enough to now 12yrs later that he does all the work himself now without
    > ringing me twice a day:-)
    > I admit I am not good on theory probably because it doesn't interest me
    > in the slightest, I rarely work on cars any more either.


    I found some engineers were very good on theory, but all at sea on the
    job. For some reason they couldn't translate the real thing to something
    that would use,..to fix a fault.

    Hasten to add most were good in the field tho.

    When I first joined a radio maintenance depot I was told it would take a
    couple of years before I could work on some gear,..especially
    "course-forming" nav-aids. Fault finding not only needs a good basic
    knowledge of the system, but how it presents when faulty. "An eye for
    detail" is how I trained new staff,...until I missed an important detail
    once, which gave my trainee an opportunity to coach me "an eye for
    detail" :-)

    Jason


  6. #66
    Ext User(D Walford) Guest

    Re: Holden Captiva - Opinions?

    On 25/07/2013 12:25 PM, Jason James wrote:
    > D Walford wrote:>
    >> Sounds like my former next door neighbour, he was a mechanic engineer
    >> who worked for Ford, he liked to tinker with cars but often he would
    >> have difficulty fixing something and he would ask me to show him how.
    >> My mate who owns the Clubmans is a civil engineer, he was great on the
    >> theory when we were building his first Clubman such as knowing how to
    >> understand the chassis bending and twisting tests but completely
    >> hopeless with some basic things, he would bolt something to the car and
    >> ask me if that was OK and he didn't get it when I told him coach bolts
    >> were definitely not OK.
    >> I treated him like a first year apprentice and he did eventually learn
    >> enough to now 12yrs later that he does all the work himself now without
    >> ringing me twice a day:-)
    >> I admit I am not good on theory probably because it doesn't interest me
    >> in the slightest, I rarely work on cars any more either.

    >
    > I found some engineers were very good on theory, but all at sea on the
    > job. For some reason they couldn't translate the real thing to something
    > that would use,..to fix a fault.
    >


    Oldest son's mate is an electrical engineer currently working for a big
    mining co, he obviously knows his job but I wouldn't trust him to change
    a light globe.
    As well as his engineering qualification he also has an economics
    degree, he's good with theory but hopeless when it comes to anything
    practical.



    --
    Daryl

  7. #67
    Ext User(Noddy) Guest

    Re: Holden Captiva - Opinions?

    On 25/07/13 10:45 AM, aus.davidz@gmail.com wrote:

    > Waste of time, buy a Japanese or Korean SUV, you will thank me latter


    And where exactly do you think the Captiva comes from, you ****ing mungbean?



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    Regards,
    Noddy.

  8. #68
    Ext User(Noddy) Guest

    Re: Holden Captiva - Opinions?

    On 25/07/13 12:25 PM, Jason James wrote:

    > I found some engineers were very good on theory, but all at sea on the
    > job. For some reason they couldn't translate the real thing to something
    > that would use,..to fix a fault.


    That's because most of them live in hypothetical worlds and have very
    little in the way of real world experience.

    > Hasten to add most were good in the field tho.


    I don't think I've ever met a single one who could tell you anything
    other than how things were *supposed* to work. Nor did I ever meet one
    that could explain how something actually managed to work when all the
    theoretical "fact" suggested that it shouldn't :)


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    Regards,
    Noddy.

  9. #69
    Ext User(Jason James) Guest

    Re: Holden Captiva - Opinions?

    Noddy wrote:
    > On 25/07/13 12:25 PM, Jason James wrote:
    >
    >> I found some engineers were very good on theory, but all at sea on the
    >> job. For some reason they couldn't translate the real thing to something
    >> that would use,..to fix a fault.

    >
    > That's because most of them live in hypothetical worlds and have very
    > little in the way of real world experience.
    >
    >> Hasten to add most were good in the field tho.

    >
    > I don't think I've ever met a single one who could tell you anything
    > other than how things were *supposed* to work. Nor did I ever meet one
    > that could explain how something actually managed to work when all the
    > theoretical "fact" suggested that it shouldn't :)


    Indeed,..sometimes I was told to "zip it up",...as some engineer was
    getting his tits in a knot over not being able to fix a fault. Seeing he
    was paid about double my salary,..I kept the comments coming :-)

    Jason


  10. #70
    Ext User(Noddy) Guest

    Re: Holden Captiva - Opinions?

    On 25/07/13 7:13 PM, Jason James wrote:

    > Indeed,..sometimes I was told to "zip it up",...as some engineer was
    > getting his tits in a knot over not being able to fix a fault. Seeing he
    > was paid about double my salary,..I kept the comments coming :-)


    We had a dude around here for a while named Michael who claimed to be a
    mechanical engineer and his claim to fame was in designing components
    for dishwashers. He was a strange dude in that every "project" he got
    interested in he seemed perfectly content to ignore the fact that it had
    all been done before and re-invent the wheel in the most complex way
    imaginable.

    I thought he was a ****ing idiot to be honest, but that was my opinion.
    I don't think he cared much for me either :)


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    Regards,
    Noddy.

  11. #71
    Ext User(John_H) Guest

    Re: Holden Captiva - Opinions?

    Noddy wrote:
    >
    >We had a dude around here for a while named Michael who claimed to be a
    >mechanical engineer and his claim to fame was in designing components
    >for dishwashers. He was a strange dude in that every "project" he got
    >interested in he seemed perfectly content to ignore the fact that it had
    >all been done before and re-invent the wheel in the most complex way
    >imaginable.


    He was also an upstart who thought he was the only one who knew
    anything about anything (my opinion only).

    We've also had Dennis Jensen (physicist turned politician) who knew
    the science and had a good grasp of the practical.

    Another was Julian Edgar (schoolteacher turned motoring journo) who
    had far better than a typical mechanic's understanding of the theory
    and probably knew how to apply it.

    Daniel Stern (US based lighting expert with a passion for cars)...
    I've no idea what his qualifications were but he was exceptionally
    well informed.

    Athol Mullins (motor mechanic and engineer) was another.

    Bernd Felsche, who I'd assume to be a mechanical engineer with a hands
    on approach, was the last to go.

    >I thought he was a ****ing idiot to be honest, but that was my opinion.
    >I don't think he cared much for me either :)


    At least you probably weren't responsible for the others leaving! :)

    --
    John H

  12. #72
    Ext User(Noddy) Guest

    Re: Holden Captiva - Opinions?

    On 26/07/13 8:05 AM, John_H wrote:

    > He was also an upstart who thought he was the only one who knew
    > anything about anything (my opinion only).


    That's the impression I got.

    > We've also had Dennis Jensen (physicist turned politician) who knew
    > the science and had a good grasp of the practical.


    Indeed.

    > Another was Julian Edgar (schoolteacher turned motoring journo) who
    > had far better than a typical mechanic's understanding of the theory
    > and probably knew how to apply it.


    Well, we'll differ on that one. I thought Julian was a lot like Michael
    in that he thought he knew everything but really didn't have a clue.

    > Daniel Stern (US based lighting expert with a passion for cars)...
    > I've no idea what his qualifications were but he was exceptionally
    > well informed.


    I don't remember him.

    > Athol Mullins (motor mechanic and engineer) was another.


    Being an engineer *and* a mechanic he must *really* have some
    personality issues. I can just see him arguing with himself all the time :)

    > Bernd Felsche, who I'd assume to be a mechanical engineer with a hands
    > on approach, was the last to go.


    Bernd seems to have dedicated his life to anti-Labor and climate change
    preaching on Facebook.

    > At least you probably weren't responsible for the others leaving! :)


    I must smell or something :)



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    Regards,
    Noddy.

  13. #73
    Ext User(Jason James) Guest

    Re: Holden Captiva - Opinions?

    John_H wrote:

    >> I don't think he cared much for me either :)

    >
    > At least you probably weren't responsible for the others leaving! :)


    Isn't there a member of parliament here as well ?

    Jason




  14. #74
    Ext User(John_H) Guest

    Re: Holden Captiva - Opinions?

    Noddy wrote:
    >On 26/07/13 8:05 AM, John_H wrote:
    >
    >> Another was Julian Edgar (schoolteacher turned motoring journo) who
    >> had far better than a typical mechanic's understanding of the theory
    >> and probably knew how to apply it.

    >
    >Well, we'll differ on that one. I thought Julian was a lot like Michael
    >in that he thought he knew everything but really didn't have a clue.


    How dare you denigrate a famous author! ;-)

    I picked up his book "21st Century Performance" at a Bookworld remnant
    sale. It was worth the five bucks or so (marked down from $65) just
    for the pretty pictures even if I didn't get around to reading much of
    it!

    It's an odd publication in that it's neither highly technical nor very
    practical and I've no idea as to how many copies he would've sold.
    It certainly doesn't live on the same bookshelf as the "Bosch
    Automotive Handbook" or the "Repco Engine Service Manual" (which
    probably never sold many copies either).

    FWIW I never had a problem with the persona and I'd certainly give him
    marks for trying.

    --
    John H

  15. #75
    Ext User(D Walford) Guest

    Re: Holden Captiva - Opinions?

    On 26/07/2013 8:47 AM, Jason James wrote:
    > John_H wrote:
    >
    > >> I don't think he cared much for me either :)

    >>
    >> At least you probably weren't responsible for the others leaving! :)

    >
    > Isn't there a member of parliament here as well ?
    >

    John mentioned him, its Dennis Jensen but he hasn't been here for a long
    time that I know of.

    --
    Daryl

  16. #76
    Ext User(jonz) Guest

    Re: Holden Captiva - Opinions?

    On 7/26/2013 8:05 AM, John_H wrote:
    > Noddy wrote:
    >>
    >> We had a dude around here for a while named Michael who claimed to be a
    >> mechanical engineer and his claim to fame was in designing components
    >> for dishwashers. He was a strange dude in that every "project" he got
    >> interested in he seemed perfectly content to ignore the fact that it had
    >> all been done before and re-invent the wheel in the most complex way
    >> imaginable.

    >
    > He was also an upstart who thought he was the only one who knew
    > anything about anything (my opinion only).

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Well, that accounts for a large minority in here..............
    >
    > We've also had Dennis Jensen (physicist turned politician) who knew
    > the science and had a good grasp of the practical.
    >
    > Another was Julian Edgar (schoolteacher turned motoring journo) who
    > had far better than a typical mechanic's understanding of the theory
    > and probably knew how to apply it.
    >
    > Daniel Stern (US based lighting expert with a passion for cars)...
    > I've no idea what his qualifications were but he was exceptionally
    > well informed.
    >
    > Athol Mullins (motor mechanic and engineer) was another.
    >
    > Bernd Felsche, who I'd assume to be a mechanical engineer with a hands
    > on approach, was the last to go.
    >
    >> I thought he was a ****ing idiot to be honest, but that was my opinion.
    >> I don't think he cared much for me either :)

    >
    > At least you probably weren't responsible for the others leaving! :)
    >



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    boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it”

  17. #77
    Ext User(Noddy) Guest

    Re: Holden Captiva - Opinions?

    On 26/07/13 9:23 AM, John_H wrote:

    > How dare you denigrate a famous author! ;-)


    I knew he was an author, but I had no idea he was famous :)

    > I picked up his book "21st Century Performance" at a Bookworld remnant
    > sale. It was worth the five bucks or so (marked down from $65) just
    > for the pretty pictures even if I didn't get around to reading much of
    > it!


    You're a better man than me. I browsed through a copy of "Zoom" once
    while waiting to do my lotto tickets at a newsagent and 15 seconds of
    looking was all I needed to do to know that he'd never get any money
    from me.

    > It's an odd publication in that it's neither highly technical nor very
    > practical and I've no idea as to how many copies he would've sold.
    > It certainly doesn't live on the same bookshelf as the "Bosch
    > Automotive Handbook" or the "Repco Engine Service Manual" (which
    > probably never sold many copies either).


    Probably not, but then they have credibility up the wah-zoo.

    > FWIW I never had a problem with the persona and I'd certainly give him
    > marks for trying.


    Yeah, kudos to him. If he made a buck out of it all then good on him.



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    Regards,
    Noddy.

  18. #78
    Ext User(John_H) Guest

    Re: Holden Captiva - Opinions?

    Noddy wrote:
    >
    >I browsed through a copy of "Zoom" once
    >while waiting to do my lotto tickets at a newsagent and 15 seconds of
    >looking was all I needed to do to know that he'd never get any money
    >from me.


    I can honestly say I've never looked past the cover. The only
    motoring magazine I've bought in the last twenty years is R&T, and I
    haven't bought one of those in last ten (since it became unaffordale).

    I do get to browse some of the offroading crap on the odd occasion
    when I visit the doctor's surgery (presumably he owns a 4WD). Most of
    it is aimed at wankers and if one wished to be uncharitable the same
    might be said for "21st Century Performance". :)

    --
    John H

  19. #79
    Ext User(Jeßus) Guest

    Re: Holden Captiva - Opinions?

    On Sat, 27 Jul 2013 08:20:35 +1000, John_H <john4721@inbox.com> wrote:

    >I do get to browse some of the offroading crap on the odd occasion
    >when I visit the doctor's surgery (presumably he owns a 4WD). Most of
    >it is aimed at wankers


    You have a problem with wankers showing off their wheel travel and
    balloon tyres? ;)



  20. #80
    Ext User(Jason James) Guest

    Re: Holden Captiva - Opinions?

    D Walford wrote:
    > On 23/07/2013 1:32 PM, John_H wrote:
    >> D Walford wrote:
    >>>
    >>> On a flat road and not towing is where the Forester wins easily.

    >>
    >> If it's towing then the power to weight ratio isn't the same!

    >
    > It is if both vehicles tow exactly the same weight, they both have 126kw
    > and the Forester's kerb weight is 235kg less so it already had a power
    > to weight advantage yet its towing performance is abysmal.
    >>
    >> You've obviously forgotten to include the weight of the trailer which
    >> negates your original assertion that the performance difference is due
    >> to torque instead of power. :)
    >>

    > Nope, if both tow the exact same trailer with the exact same load the
    > Hilux does it effortlessly but you have to down shift the Forester and
    > rev the hell out of it to do exactly the same job.


    Yes,..my Arstina is like that,.. have to get it above 4000 rpm before
    the secondrys open and it will do something [vacuum controlled].

    Jason

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