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  1. #101
    Ext User(D Walford) Guest

    Re: Holden Captiva - Opinions?

    On 03/08/2013 12:57 PM, Jason James wrote:

    >
    > Reminds me of Diesel-electric locomotives,..the diesel revs to a
    > constant revs while the drivers adjusts the electric-motor volts. Sort
    > of similar :-)
    >
    > A buzz-box with CVT would work well,..must have manual "gear-select"
    > over-ride for those special occassions tho.


    Depends what you mean by work well, I had a short drive of a newish
    Nissan Xtrail with a CVT and if you could ignore the sound of the engine
    doing odd things with its revs you would think it was OK.
    Newer drivers wouldn't think about it but us old timers are so used to
    the way we think things should sound and behave its not easy to accept
    something so different.


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    Daryl

  2. #102
    Ext User(Noddy) Guest

    Re: Holden Captiva - Opinions?

    On 03/08/13 2:57 PM, D Walford wrote:

    > Not being able to get a manual trans in most Subaru models is turning me
    > off the brand but its also happening with a lot of other brands so
    > choices are becoming limited, if we bought something with a CVT it would
    > only be because we didn't have much choice.


    It'll be a cold day in hell before I'm every guilty of owning either a
    CVT or a DGI "manual".

    Neither of them seem to be anything other than an overly complicated
    wank for the sake of it, and in the case of DGI transmissions they're
    proving to be inherently unreliable.

    Then again, I'm unlikely to ever want to own a car that parks itself
    either, and I think the day that I ever need to is the day I'll hand in
    my licence.





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  3. #103
    Ext User(Clocky) Guest

    Re: Holden Captiva - Opinions?

    D Walford wrote:
    > On 03/08/2013 12:57 PM, Jason James wrote:
    >
    >>
    >> Reminds me of Diesel-electric locomotives,..the diesel revs to a
    >> constant revs while the drivers adjusts the electric-motor volts. Sort
    >> of similar :-)
    >>
    >> A buzz-box with CVT would work well,..must have manual "gear-select"
    >> over-ride for those special occassions tho.

    >
    > Depends what you mean by work well, I had a short drive of a newish
    > Nissan Xtrail with a CVT and if you could ignore the sound of the engine
    > doing odd things with its revs you would think it was OK.
    > Newer drivers wouldn't think about it but us old timers are so used to
    > the way we think things should sound and behave its not easy to accept
    > something so different.
    >
    >


    Yeah, that is the crux of it really. It's not that it's bad, but very
    different to the point where it sounds wrong when compared to
    conventional auto transmissions.

    They will soon be the only option, so we had better get used to it ;-)

  4. #104
    Ext User(D Walford) Guest

    Re: Holden Captiva - Opinions?

    On 03/08/2013 3:10 PM, Noddy wrote:
    > On 03/08/13 2:57 PM, D Walford wrote:
    >
    >> Not being able to get a manual trans in most Subaru models is turning me
    >> off the brand but its also happening with a lot of other brands so
    >> choices are becoming limited, if we bought something with a CVT it would
    >> only be because we didn't have much choice.

    >
    > It'll be a cold day in hell before I'm every guilty of owning either a
    > CVT or a DGI "manual".
    >

    Neither appeal to me with the self shifting manuals even less appealing
    than a CVT, only self shifting manuals I've driven have been in Isuzu
    trucks and I hate the stupid things, last few I've driven I've selected
    manual mode.

    > Neither of them seem to be anything other than an overly complicated
    > wank for the sake of it, and in the case of DGI transmissions they're
    > proving to be inherently unreliable.
    >
    > Then again, I'm unlikely to ever want to own a car that parks itself
    > either, and I think the day that I ever need to is the day I'll hand in
    > my licence.
    >


    BIL's new Focus has it, he says he will never use it but his wife thinks
    its a great idea, I have never been in a car with her driving and my
    wife says I wouldn't want to.


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  5. #105
    Ext User(Noddy) Guest

    Re: Holden Captiva - Opinions?

    On 03/08/13 3:10 PM, D Walford wrote:

    > Agree, annoying that we might have to buy a new WRX because they still
    > come in manual:-)


    What a complete bastard :)

    > Liberty Premium GT still has conventional auto but at around $60k they
    > are a bit expensive.


    They're a nice car, but 60 grand is getting up there.

    > He could just turn up the stereo to the max and cover the tacho and he
    > would hardly notice:-)


    I wonder what he would do with the extra 40 cents he saved per tank :)


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  6. #106
    Ext User(D Walford) Guest

    Re: Holden Captiva - Opinions?

    On 03/08/2013 3:18 PM, Clocky wrote:
    > D Walford wrote:
    >> On 03/08/2013 12:57 PM, Jason James wrote:
    >>
    >>>
    >>> Reminds me of Diesel-electric locomotives,..the diesel revs to a
    >>> constant revs while the drivers adjusts the electric-motor volts. Sort
    >>> of similar :-)
    >>>
    >>> A buzz-box with CVT would work well,..must have manual "gear-select"
    >>> over-ride for those special occassions tho.

    >>
    >> Depends what you mean by work well, I had a short drive of a newish
    >> Nissan Xtrail with a CVT and if you could ignore the sound of the engine
    >> doing odd things with its revs you would think it was OK.
    >> Newer drivers wouldn't think about it but us old timers are so used to
    >> the way we think things should sound and behave its not easy to accept
    >> something so different.
    >>
    >>

    >
    > Yeah, that is the crux of it really. It's not that it's bad, but very
    > different to the point where it sounds wrong when compared to
    > conventional auto transmissions.
    >
    > They will soon be the only option, so we had better get used to it ;-)


    Sure seems that way, I don't even like conventional autos so CVT's
    aren't something I could ever imagine buying.
    If we ever bought one it would be my wife's car and even she prefers
    manuals.

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  7. #107
    Ext User(Noddy) Guest

    Re: Holden Captiva - Opinions?


    "D Walford" <dwalford@internode.on.net> wrote in message
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    > BIL's new Focus has it, he says he will never use it but his wife thinks
    > its a great idea, I have never been in a car with her driving and my wife
    > says I wouldn't want to.


    Lol :)

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  8. #108
    Ext User(Feral) Guest

    Re: Holden Captiva - Opinions?

    On 3/08/2013 17:15, John_H wrote:
    > Jason James wrote:


    >> A buzz-box with CVT would work well,..must have manual "gear-select"
    >> over-ride for those special occassions tho.

    >
    > Why?


    Coming down through the ratios using engine braking John.

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  9. #109
    Ext User(John_H) Guest

    Re: Holden Captiva - Opinions?

    Jason James wrote:
    >John_H wrote:
    >>
    >> I'm yet to drive a car with a CVT but they're certainly very efficient
    >> in tractors even if they do sound a little odd. It also gets around
    >> the problem of operators not being able to match the engine revs to
    >> the load, which obviously isn't confined to tractor drivers. :))

    >
    >Reminds me of Diesel-electric locomotives,..the diesel revs to a
    >constant revs while the drivers adjusts the electric-motor volts. Sort
    >of similar :-)


    Dunno anything about locos but I'd be surprised if diesel electrics
    haven't given way to either CVT or hydrostatic drive, either of which
    should be vastly more efficient. (Both have been used in other heavy
    machinery applications for yonks.)

    >A buzz-box with CVT would work well,..must have manual "gear-select"
    >over-ride for those special occassions tho.


    Why?

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  10. #110
    Ext User(jonz) Guest

    Re: Holden Captiva - Opinions?

    On 8/3/2013 5:15 PM, John_H wrote:
    > Jason James wrote:
    >> John_H wrote:
    >>>
    >>> I'm yet to drive a car with a CVT but they're certainly very efficient
    >>> in tractors even if they do sound a little odd. It also gets around
    >>> the problem of operators not being able to match the engine revs to
    >>> the load, which obviously isn't confined to tractor drivers. :))

    >>
    >> Reminds me of Diesel-electric locomotives,..the diesel revs to a
    >> constant revs while the drivers adjusts the electric-motor volts. Sort
    >> of similar :-)

    >
    > Dunno anything about locos but I'd be surprised if diesel electrics
    > haven't given way to either CVT or hydrostatic drive, either of which
    > should be vastly more efficient. (Both have been used in other heavy
    > machinery applications for yonks.)
    >
    >> A buzz-box with CVT would work well,..must have manual "gear-select"
    >> over-ride for those special occassions tho.




    >
    > Why?

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  11. #111
    Ext User(John_H) Guest

    Re: Holden Captiva - Opinions?

    D Walford wrote:
    >
    >Liberty GT still has a conventional auto.


    Are you sure about that?

    I got an email from Subaru yesterday pushing the Outback diesel (which
    is based on the Liberty platform). It's only available in CVT
    (Lineartronic) with no mention of a manual... which I presume applies
    to the M14 due out soon.

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  12. #112
    Ext User(Clocky) Guest

    Re: Holden Captiva - Opinions?

    D Walford wrote:
    > On 03/08/2013 3:18 PM, Clocky wrote:
    >> D Walford wrote:
    >>> On 03/08/2013 12:57 PM, Jason James wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Reminds me of Diesel-electric locomotives,..the diesel revs to a
    >>>> constant revs while the drivers adjusts the electric-motor volts. Sort
    >>>> of similar :-)
    >>>>
    >>>> A buzz-box with CVT would work well,..must have manual "gear-select"
    >>>> over-ride for those special occassions tho.
    >>>
    >>> Depends what you mean by work well, I had a short drive of a newish
    >>> Nissan Xtrail with a CVT and if you could ignore the sound of the engine
    >>> doing odd things with its revs you would think it was OK.
    >>> Newer drivers wouldn't think about it but us old timers are so used to
    >>> the way we think things should sound and behave its not easy to accept
    >>> something so different.
    >>>
    >>>

    >>
    >> Yeah, that is the crux of it really. It's not that it's bad, but very
    >> different to the point where it sounds wrong when compared to
    >> conventional auto transmissions.
    >>
    >> They will soon be the only option, so we had better get used to it ;-)

    >
    > Sure seems that way, I don't even like conventional autos so CVT's
    > aren't something I could ever imagine buying.
    > If we ever bought one it would be my wife's car and even she prefers
    > manuals.
    >


    We both prefer manuals also but the Astra was the last manual car we
    owned and may well have been the last manual car we will ever own.



  13. #113
    Ext User(Noddy) Guest

    Re: Holden Captiva - Opinions?

    On 03/08/13 5:39 PM, John_H wrote:

    > Are you sure about that?
    >
    > I got an email from Subaru yesterday pushing the Outback diesel (which
    > is based on the Liberty platform). It's only available in CVT
    > (Lineartronic) with no mention of a manual... which I presume applies
    > to the M14 due out soon.


    The Liberty GT is aimed at the performance end of the market, and I
    can't imagine too many buyers would be interested in a CVT in that segment.





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  14. #114
    Ext User(D Walford) Guest

    Re: Holden Captiva - Opinions?

    On 03/08/2013 5:39 PM, John_H wrote:
    > D Walford wrote:
    >>
    >> Liberty GT still has a conventional auto.

    >
    > Are you sure about that?
    >


    Specs on the web site doesn't say conventional auto but unlike the other
    models it doesn't mention CVT, my guess is the CVT can't handle the
    power and weight of the GT.

    > I got an email from Subaru yesterday pushing the Outback diesel (which
    > is based on the Liberty platform). It's only available in CVT
    > (Lineartronic) with no mention of a manual... which I presume applies
    > to the M14 due out soon.
    >

    The diesel doesn't have anywhere near the power of the turbo petrol
    which could be the reason.

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  15. #115
    Ext User(D Walford) Guest

    Re: Holden Captiva - Opinions?

    On 03/08/2013 5:39 PM, John_H wrote:
    > D Walford wrote:
    >>
    >> Liberty GT still has a conventional auto.

    >
    > Are you sure about that?
    >
    > I got an email from Subaru yesterday pushing the Outback diesel (which
    > is based on the Liberty platform). It's only available in CVT
    > (Lineartronic) with no mention of a manual... which I presume applies
    > to the M14 due out soon.
    >

    According to their web site both models of the Outback diesel can be had
    with either manual or CVT trans.

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  16. #116
    Ext User(John_H) Guest

    Re: Holden Captiva - Opinions?

    Noddy wrote:
    >On 03/08/13 5:39 PM, John_H wrote:
    >
    >> Are you sure about that?
    >>
    >> I got an email from Subaru yesterday pushing the Outback diesel (which
    >> is based on the Liberty platform). It's only available in CVT
    >> (Lineartronic) with no mention of a manual... which I presume applies
    >> to the M14 due out soon.

    >
    >The Liberty GT is aimed at the performance end of the market, and I
    >can't imagine too many buyers would be interested in a CVT in that segment.


    I don't imagine too many would be interested in a conventional auto
    either!

    I was very tempted by a manual 3.0R Spec B Liberty when I bought a
    3.0R Outback (which wasn't available in manual)... I only bought it
    because I needed the extra ground clearance.

    However I wasn't even remotely tempted by the GT which was also
    available at the time (for entirely different reasons). I was also
    somewhat surprised when Subaru dropped the Spec B for the GT, except
    that that 3.6 engine that replaced the 3.0 hardly rates as a
    performance engine in my book.

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  17. #117
    Ext User(John_H) Guest

    Re: Holden Captiva - Opinions?

    D Walford wrote:
    >On 03/08/2013 5:39 PM, John_H wrote:
    >> D Walford wrote:
    >>>
    >>> Liberty GT still has a conventional auto.

    >>
    >> Are you sure about that?
    >>

    >
    >Specs on the web site doesn't say conventional auto but unlike the other
    >models it doesn't mention CVT, my guess is the CVT can't handle the
    >power and weight of the GT.


    More likely because a CVT wouldn't particularly suit the power curve
    of the turbo'd engine (which I won't even try to explain here). ;-)

    Industrial strength CVT's that can handle 1000kW plus are readily
    available.

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  18. #118
    Ext User(Feral) Guest

    Re: Holden Captiva - Opinions?

    On 4/08/2013 08:57, John_H wrote:
    > Feral wrote:


    > Presumably a car CVT behaves much like a conventional auto under
    > accceleration (or during overun)?


    Not quite sure. The Avalon used to hold speed or retard a little going
    downhill with zero throttle application. The XV picks up speed under the
    same conditions (unless Cruise is set). Kinda like "riding angel".


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  19. #119
    Ext User(Feral) Guest

    Re: Holden Captiva - Opinions?

    On 4/08/2013 08:57, John_H wrote:

    > Industrial strength CVT's that can handle 1000kW plus are readily
    > available.


    Not bad - that could handle the power of about 9.5 XV's. :-)


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  20. #120
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    Re: Holden Captiva - Opinions?


    "Marts" <marts@ymail.com> wrote in message
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    > Missus has her eye on a Captiva LX diesel. Seems to tick all the boxes.
    > Just wondering what people here think of the car.
    >
    > This one's a used 2011 Series II model.
    >
    > Dealer has it on the lot for about $30k.
    >
    >


    I don't know what everyone else is saying as I'm not going to trawl through
    all the replies :-)
    Bro in Law has one, bought it brand new about 4 months ago and so far he
    loves it, he went from a diesel Astra so draw your own conclusions :-)
    He was chuffed to point out the blue air nozzle caps on his tyres and
    pointed out that he had nitrogen filled tyres, I replied that so did I, when
    he asked I pointed out that my car tyres were 79% nitrogen straight from the
    servo air pump and it wasn't going to cost me about $15 to have mine checked
    every time they got a bit flat.


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