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  1. #121
    Ext User(Atheist Chaplain) Guest

    Re: Holden Captiva - Opinions?


    "Marts" <marts@ymail.com> wrote in message
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    > Missus has her eye on a Captiva LX diesel. Seems to tick all the boxes.
    > Just wondering what people here think of the car.
    >
    > This one's a used 2011 Series II model.
    >
    > Dealer has it on the lot for about $30k.
    >
    >


    I don't know what everyone else is saying as I'm not going to trawl through
    all the replies :-)
    Bro in Law has one, bought it brand new about 4 months ago and so far he
    loves it, he went from a diesel Astra so draw your own conclusions :-)
    He was chuffed to point out the blue air nozzle caps on his tyres and
    pointed out that he had nitrogen filled tyres, I replied that so did I, when
    he asked I pointed out that my car tyres were 79% nitrogen straight from the
    servo air pump and it wasn't going to cost me about $15 to have mine checked
    every time they got a bit flat.


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  2. #122
    Ext User(D Walford) Guest

    Re: Holden Captiva - Opinions?

    On 04/08/2013 8:57 AM, John_H wrote:
    > D Walford wrote:
    >> On 03/08/2013 5:39 PM, John_H wrote:
    >>> D Walford wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>> Liberty GT still has a conventional auto.
    >>>
    >>> Are you sure about that?
    >>>

    >>
    >> Specs on the web site doesn't say conventional auto but unlike the other
    >> models it doesn't mention CVT, my guess is the CVT can't handle the
    >> power and weight of the GT.

    >
    > More likely because a CVT wouldn't particularly suit the power curve
    > of the turbo'd engine (which I won't even try to explain here). ;-)
    >
    > Industrial strength CVT's that can handle 1000kW plus are readily
    > available.
    >

    I remember reading somewhere that the reason the diesel Subarus didn't
    have an auto option when they first came out was because the only CVT
    that they had wasn't strong enough and they were working on beefing it up.

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  3. #123
    Ext User(D Walford) Guest

    Re: Holden Captiva - Opinions?

    On 04/08/2013 9:33 AM, Feral wrote:
    > On 4/08/2013 08:57, John_H wrote:
    >> Feral wrote:

    >
    >> Presumably a car CVT behaves much like a conventional auto under
    >> accceleration (or during overun)?

    >
    > Not quite sure. The Avalon used to hold speed or retard a little going
    > downhill with zero throttle application. The XV picks up speed under the
    > same conditions (unless Cruise is set). Kinda like "riding angel".
    >
    >

    Does the CC apply the brakes?

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  4. #124
    Ext User(John_H) Guest

    Re: Holden Captiva - Opinions?

    Feral wrote:
    >On 4/08/2013 08:57, John_H wrote:
    >>
    >> Presumably a car CVT behaves much like a conventional auto under
    >> accceleration (or during overun)?

    >
    >Not quite sure. The Avalon used to hold speed or retard a little going
    >downhill with zero throttle application. The XV picks up speed under the
    >same conditions (unless Cruise is set). Kinda like "riding angel".


    That makes sense as well. Because it also changes gears like a
    conventional auto the CV part only responds to the load, so when you
    back off the throttle it moves the overall ratio higher to allow the
    revs to drop.

    Like a convential auto, in the absence of cruise control it probably
    won't kick down unless throttle is applied.

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  5. #125
    Ext User(Feral) Guest

    Re: Holden Captiva - Opinions?

    On 4/08/2013 10:53, John_H wrote:

    > Like a convential auto, in the absence of cruise control it probably
    > won't kick down unless throttle is applied.


    Down hill or on the flat - yes.

    But if you come to a hill and don't apply more throttle the CVT changes
    the cones and you go up the hill - only slower. You wouldn't do it of
    course. :-) Some prick would shunt you. :-\

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  6. #126
    Ext User(John_H) Guest

    Re: Holden Captiva - Opinions?

    D Walford wrote:
    >On 04/08/2013 8:57 AM, John_H wrote:
    >>
    >> Industrial strength CVT's that can handle 1000kW plus are readily
    >> available.
    >>

    >I remember reading somewhere that the reason the diesel Subarus didn't
    >have an auto option when they first came out was because the only CVT
    >that they had wasn't strong enough and they were working on beefing it up.


    It would appear that for automotive applications they're best suited
    to small displacement naturally aspirated petrol engines, which means
    the manufacturers probably haven't bothered to design them to suit
    much else.

    I was actually surprised to see they'd fitted a CVT to the diesel
    since a diesel's operating revs tend to be much less critical to fuel
    economy as compared to a small n.a. petrol engine. IOW they wouldn't
    have nearly as much to gain by putting one behind a diesel or a large
    petrol engine.

    Part of the purpose of the very large ones is to apply maximum torque
    from a standing stand (same as for diesel electric locos), which isn't
    applicable to car usage.

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  7. #127
    Ext User(Jason James) Guest

    Re: Holden Captiva - Opinions?

    John_H wrote:
    > Feral wrote:
    >> On 4/08/2013 08:57, John_H wrote:
    >>>
    >>> Presumably a car CVT behaves much like a conventional auto under
    >>> accceleration (or during overun)?

    >>
    >> Not quite sure. The Avalon used to hold speed or retard a little going
    >> downhill with zero throttle application. The XV picks up speed under the
    >> same conditions (unless Cruise is set). Kinda like "riding angel".

    >
    > That makes sense as well. Because it also changes gears like a
    > conventional auto the CV part only responds to the load, so when you
    > back off the throttle it moves the overall ratio higher to allow the
    > revs to drop.
    >
    > Like a convential auto, in the absence of cruise control it probably
    > won't kick down unless throttle is applied.


    Speaking of CControl,..I accidently moved the T-bar to "N" while
    negotiating a roundabout,..engiune almost hit the rev-limiter before I
    hit the footbrake to disengage it pheew,..not nice.

    Jason


  8. #128
    Ext User(Jason James) Guest

    Re: Holden Captiva - Opinions?

    jonz wrote:
    > On 8/3/2013 5:15 PM, John_H wrote:
    >> Jason James wrote:
    >>> John_H wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>> I'm yet to drive a car with a CVT but they're certainly very efficient
    >>>> in tractors even if they do sound a little odd. It also gets around
    >>>> the problem of operators not being able to match the engine revs to
    >>>> the load, which obviously isn't confined to tractor drivers. :))
    >>>
    >>> Reminds me of Diesel-electric locomotives,..the diesel revs to a
    >>> constant revs while the drivers adjusts the electric-motor volts. Sort
    >>> of similar :-)

    >>
    >> Dunno anything about locos but I'd be surprised if diesel electrics
    >> haven't given way to either CVT or hydrostatic drive, either of which
    >> should be vastly more efficient. (Both have been used in other heavy
    >> machinery applications for yonks.)
    >>
    >>> A buzz-box with CVT would work well,..must have manual "gear-select"
    >>> over-ride for those special occassions tho.

    >
    >
    >
    >>
    >> Why?

    > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`
    > AHH, Just Jason siding with the luddites.... 8-)


    When it comes to more electric-cars, and the technology we need to make
    the cars and cost more affordable, I'm anything but a Luddite,..Pops :-)

    Jason



  9. #129
    Ext User(Jason James) Guest

    Re: Holden Captiva - Opinions?

    John_H wrote:
    > D Walford wrote:
    >> On 04/08/2013 8:57 AM, John_H wrote:
    >>>
    >>> Industrial strength CVT's that can handle 1000kW plus are readily
    >>> available.
    >>>

    >> I remember reading somewhere that the reason the diesel Subarus didn't
    >> have an auto option when they first came out was because the only CVT
    >> that they had wasn't strong enough and they were working on beefing it up.

    >
    > It would appear that for automotive applications they're best suited
    > to small displacement naturally aspirated petrol engines, which means
    > the manufacturers probably haven't bothered to design them to suit
    > much else.
    >
    > I was actually surprised to see they'd fitted a CVT to the diesel
    > since a diesel's operating revs tend to be much less critical to fuel
    > economy as compared to a small n.a. petrol engine. IOW they wouldn't
    > have nearly as much to gain by putting one behind a diesel or a large
    > petrol engine.
    >
    > Part of the purpose of the very large ones is to apply maximum torque
    > from a standing stand (same as for diesel electric locos), which isn't
    > applicable to car usage.


    Not an electrician, but aren't series-wound electric-motors designed to
    supply max torque from get-go [like starter-motors]?

    Jason




  10. #130
    Ext User(jonz) Guest

    Re: Holden Captiva - Opinions?

    On 8/4/2013 1:10 PM, Jason James wrote:
    > jonz wrote:
    >> On 8/3/2013 5:15 PM, John_H wrote:
    >>> Jason James wrote:
    >>>> John_H wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>> I'm yet to drive a car with a CVT but they're certainly very efficient
    >>>>> in tractors even if they do sound a little odd. It also gets around
    >>>>> the problem of operators not being able to match the engine revs to
    >>>>> the load, which obviously isn't confined to tractor drivers. :))
    >>>>
    >>>> Reminds me of Diesel-electric locomotives,..the diesel revs to a
    >>>> constant revs while the drivers adjusts the electric-motor volts. Sort
    >>>> of similar :-)
    >>>
    >>> Dunno anything about locos but I'd be surprised if diesel electrics
    >>> haven't given way to either CVT or hydrostatic drive, either of which
    >>> should be vastly more efficient. (Both have been used in other heavy
    >>> machinery applications for yonks.)
    >>>
    >>>> A buzz-box with CVT would work well,..must have manual "gear-select"
    >>>> over-ride for those special occassions tho.

    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>>
    >>> Why?

    >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`
    >> AHH, Just Jason siding with the luddites.... 8-)

    >
    > When it comes to more electric-cars, and the technology we need to make
    > the cars and cost more affordable, I'm anything but a Luddite,..Pops :-)

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Electric cars were not under discussion (Which, BTW, simply shift the
    source of emissions)......Pops eh? How old are U again?.
    >
    > Jason
    >
    >



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  11. #131
    Ext User(Jason James) Guest

    Re: Holden Captiva - Opinions?

    jonz wrote:
    > On 8/4/2013 1:10 PM, Jason James wrote:
    >> jonz wrote:
    >>> On 8/3/2013 5:15 PM, John_H wrote:
    >>>> Jason James wrote:
    >>>>> John_H wrote:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> I'm yet to drive a car with a CVT but they're certainly very
    >>>>>> efficient
    >>>>>> in tractors even if they do sound a little odd. It also gets around
    >>>>>> the problem of operators not being able to match the engine revs to
    >>>>>> the load, which obviously isn't confined to tractor drivers. :))
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Reminds me of Diesel-electric locomotives,..the diesel revs to a
    >>>>> constant revs while the drivers adjusts the electric-motor volts. Sort
    >>>>> of similar :-)
    >>>>
    >>>> Dunno anything about locos but I'd be surprised if diesel electrics
    >>>> haven't given way to either CVT or hydrostatic drive, either of which
    >>>> should be vastly more efficient. (Both have been used in other heavy
    >>>> machinery applications for yonks.)
    >>>>
    >>>>> A buzz-box with CVT would work well,..must have manual "gear-select"
    >>>>> over-ride for those special occassions tho.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Why?
    >>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`
    >>> AHH, Just Jason siding with the luddites.... 8-)

    >>
    >> When it comes to more electric-cars, and the technology we need to make
    >> the cars and cost more affordable, I'm anything but a Luddite,..Pops :-)

    > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    > Electric cars were not under discussion (Which, BTW, simply shift the
    > source of emissions)


    Well, in the case of coal-fired elec-gen sites,..that's true, and to be
    fair we have only one hydro site. OTOH electricity generating
    alternators dont have much beyond 50% efficiency [loss of
    electro-magnetic lines of force from the rotor]then we have the
    car-charger, which also may have a lossy transformer [exit another
    50%]then we have the batteries driving the car's electric
    motor,...[another 50% loss] adds up :-)



    .......Pops eh? How old are U again?.

    I am 61,...pops.

    Jason



  12. #132
    Ext User(Noddy) Guest

    Re: Holden Captiva - Opinions?

    On 04/08/13 8:57 AM, John_H wrote:

    > I don't imagine too many would be interested in a conventional auto
    > either!


    Probably more interested in a conventional auto with a paddle shift that
    a CVT I would imagine.


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    Regards,
    Noddy.

  13. #133
    Ext User(jonz) Guest

    Re: Holden Captiva - Opinions?

    On 8/4/2013 4:24 PM, Jason James wrote:
    > jonz wrote:
    >> On 8/4/2013 1:10 PM, Jason James wrote:
    >>> jonz wrote:
    >>>> On 8/3/2013 5:15 PM, John_H wrote:
    >>>>> Jason James wrote:
    >>>>>> John_H wrote:
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> I'm yet to drive a car with a CVT but they're certainly very
    >>>>>>> efficient
    >>>>>>> in tractors even if they do sound a little odd. It also gets around
    >>>>>>> the problem of operators not being able to match the engine revs to
    >>>>>>> the load, which obviously isn't confined to tractor drivers. :))
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Reminds me of Diesel-electric locomotives,..the diesel revs to a
    >>>>>> constant revs while the drivers adjusts the electric-motor volts.
    >>>>>> Sort
    >>>>>> of similar :-)
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Dunno anything about locos but I'd be surprised if diesel electrics
    >>>>> haven't given way to either CVT or hydrostatic drive, either of which
    >>>>> should be vastly more efficient. (Both have been used in other heavy
    >>>>> machinery applications for yonks.)
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> A buzz-box with CVT would work well,..must have manual "gear-select"
    >>>>>> over-ride for those special occassions tho.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Why?
    >>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`
    >>>> AHH, Just Jason siding with the luddites.... 8-)
    >>>
    >>> When it comes to more electric-cars, and the technology we need to make
    >>> the cars and cost more affordable, I'm anything but a Luddite,..Pops :-)

    >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    >> Electric cars were not under discussion (Which, BTW, simply shift the
    >> source of emissions)

    >
    > Well, in the case of coal-fired elec-gen sites,..that's true, and to be
    > fair we have only one hydro site. OTOH electricity generating
    > alternators dont have much beyond 50% efficiency [loss of
    > electro-magnetic lines of force from the rotor]then we have the
    > car-charger, which also may have a lossy transformer [exit another
    > 50%]then we have the batteries driving the car's electric
    > motor,...[another 50% loss] adds up :-)
    >
    >
    >
    > ......Pops eh? How old are U again?.
    >
    > I am 61,...pops

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`
    And U call moi pops? ......time for a rethink.......
    ..
    >
    > Jason
    >
    >



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  14. #134
    Ext User(Marts) Guest

    Re: Holden Captiva - Opinions?

    On 2013-07-28 01:43:22 +0000, John_H said:

    >
    > Most diesels actually work far better with modern autos (because of
    > the nature of a diesel's power band)... only the diehards still choose
    > manuals in diesels. Same goes for off-road 4WD's... for most
    > purposes, but not all, an auto is better.
    >
    > Modern autos are also vastly better than they used to be. The old
    > time slushies were a right PITA in almost anything, as was three on a
    > tree.


    The missus got the Captiva a fortnight ago. Two trips to Melbourne
    (around 400 km each) and a week or so commuting, so far.

    I like the 6 sp auto. Being a "diehard" I'd prefer a manual. But
    they're not available, so auto it is.

    Certainly, it works better than the car's predecessor, a V6 Tribute
    with a 3sp with overdrive box that dates back to the 80s,
    technology-wise.

    Our other car is a Hyundai i30 turbo diesel. It's a 6sp manual. And
    whilst it aint an HSV GTS, it certainly isn't gutless. It does what
    it's designed to do whilst getting 5l/100 km. The Cappy is getting
    around 9l/100km at the moment.

    I'm keen to tow something heavy, to see how it goes. The Mazda used to
    rev its guts out, and having overdrive turned off to stop it hunting up
    and down the gears when towing a heavy load, or even just to maintain a
    steady speed in cruise, going up and down hills. The Captiva is more
    solid in that respect, as is the i30.

    If I go back to a petrol engined vehicle, it'd have to be a V8,
    something with a lot of grunt to start with.



  15. #135
    Ext User(D Walford) Guest

    Re: Holden Captiva - Opinions?

    On 11/08/2013 12:55 AM, Marts wrote:
    > On 2013-07-28 01:43:22 +0000, John_H said:
    >
    >>
    >> Most diesels actually work far better with modern autos (because of
    >> the nature of a diesel's power band)... only the diehards still choose
    >> manuals in diesels. Same goes for off-road 4WD's... for most
    >> purposes, but not all, an auto is better.
    >>
    >> Modern autos are also vastly better than they used to be. The old
    >> time slushies were a right PITA in almost anything, as was three on a
    >> tree.

    >
    > The missus got the Captiva a fortnight ago. Two trips to Melbourne
    > (around 400 km each) and a week or so commuting, so far.
    >
    > I like the 6 sp auto. Being a "diehard" I'd prefer a manual. But they're
    > not available, so auto it is.
    >
    > Certainly, it works better than the car's predecessor, a V6 Tribute with
    > a 3sp with overdrive box that dates back to the 80s, technology-wise.
    >
    > Our other car is a Hyundai i30 turbo diesel. It's a 6sp manual. And
    > whilst it aint an HSV GTS, it certainly isn't gutless. It does what it's
    > designed to do whilst getting 5l/100 km. The Cappy is getting around
    > 9l/100km at the moment.
    >
    > I'm keen to tow something heavy, to see how it goes. The Mazda used to
    > rev its guts out, and having overdrive turned off to stop it hunting up
    > and down the gears when towing a heavy load, or even just to maintain a
    > steady speed in cruise, going up and down hills. The Captiva is more
    > solid in that respect, as is the i30.
    >
    > If I go back to a petrol engined vehicle, it'd have to be a V8,
    > something with a lot of grunt to start with.
    >
    >

    Towing is where diesels excel so I suspect it will perform well, also
    their fuel consumption doesn't go nuts when towing like petrol engines
    which is another bonus.

    --
    Daryl

  16. #136
    Ext User(Marts) Guest

    Re: Holden Captiva - Opinions?

    On 2013-07-30 12:08:36 +0000, Noddy said:

    > If you couldn't get a Santa Fe or a Sorento for around that money then
    > you weren't looking hard enough.


    Not top of the range 2011 ones, I couldn't.

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  17. #137
    Ext User(D Walford) Guest

    Re: Holden Captiva - Opinions?

    On 06/10/2013 3:02 PM, Marts wrote:
    > On 2013-07-30 12:08:36 +0000, Noddy said:
    >
    >> If you couldn't get a Santa Fe or a Sorento for around that money then
    >> you weren't looking hard enough.

    >
    > Not top of the range 2011 ones, I couldn't.
    >

    So how do you like the Captiva now that you have had it a while?

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