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Thread: Re: Freeware to replicatge WinXP ability to pin a hierarchical menuto the Win

  1. #1
    Ext User(Danny D.) Guest

    Re: Freeware to replicatge WinXP ability to pin a hierarchical menuto the Win

    On Mon, 29 Jul 2013 12:44:00 +0100, John K.Eason wrote:

    > Hmm.. indeed. It looks as if I did it from within the Start Menu when running
    > Classic Shell because, as you say, it just pins the folder to the Start Menu if I
    > shut down Classic Shell.


    Hi John,
    Thanks very much for following up on this and for taking the time to test it.

    The good news is that we've confirmed that no matter where the desired "menu"
    folder resides, if you simply pin it to the default Windows 7 start menu, it
    still acts like a dumb folder (and not like a cascaded menu).

    I'm unfamiliar with the term "Classic Shell" (as I'm brand new to Windows 7),
    so, googling for "Windows 7 classic shell", I find it's a freeware addon.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zegw5460KQE

    I don't really want "skins" or "looks"; all I want is a menu that isn't
    constantly polluted in the Windows 7 start menu - but - if "Classic Shell"
    freeware gives me the ability to add a cascaded menu to Windows 7, then
    that's what I'll do.

    I see I can download it from CNET:
    http://download.cnet.com/Classic-She...-75553853.html
    Or from ClassicShell.net:
    http://www.classicshell.net

    It seems, at first glance, that classic shell is mostly to customize the
    Windows 7 Windows Explorer, which I didn't have a great issue with - so -
    I hope I can turn off all the Windows Explorer customizations and just
    keep the singular ability to just add a decent menu to the start menu.

    I'll try it and report back.

    PS: I'm shocked that Windows 7, by default, doesn't even have the basic
    capability of adding a user-defined menu. Who makes these decisions
    to drop such a fundamentally necessary and useful capability? In my
    book, that is a black eye against Windows 7, right from the start.
    (Otherwise, it seems ok, albeit confusing as all hell with the
    "Library" concept - which is yet another "abstraction" that gets in
    the way of people who actually know where they put all their files.)


  2. #2
    Ext User(dadiOH) Guest

    Re: Freeware to replicatge WinXP ability to pin a hierarchical menu to the Win

    "Danny D." <danny@spam.invalid> wrote in message

    > It seems, at first glance, that classic shell is mostly
    > to customize the Windows 7 Windows Explorer, which I
    > didn't have a great issue with - so -
    > I hope I can turn off all the Windows Explorer
    > customizations and just
    > keep the singular ability to just add a decent menu to
    > the start menu.


    You can.
    _____________________

    > PS: I'm shocked that Windows 7, by default, doesn't even
    > have the basic capability of adding a user-defined
    > menu.


    I don't have Win 7 but I use Win 8 with Classic Shell. If Win7 has a "Start
    Menu" folder - and a convenient way to access it (start button, whatever) -
    all you have to do is make your directory tree in that folder; it will
    cascade (note: directories, NOT shortcuts TO directories).

    If Win 7 doesn't have the necessaries, Classic Shell will provide them.


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  3. #3
    Ext User(Danny D.) Guest

    Re: Freeware to replicate WinXP ability to pin a hierarchical menuto the Win

    On Mon, 29 Jul 2013 16:05:45 -0400, dadiOH wrote:

    > all you have to do is make your directory tree in that folder; it will
    > cascade (note: directories, NOT shortcuts TO directories).


    To be clear, I do *not* want the menu *inside* the "All Programs" menu.

    The reason is that this menu is already polluted, and continues to
    be polluted, so, I want the menu at the *same level* as the "All Programs"
    menu.

    We've determined pretty convincingly, that this basic capability is
    wholly missing from Windows 7. I'd be ecstatic to be wrong about that,
    but, it sure seems that it just can't be done with Windows 7 by
    default (which is a shame as that makes the OS much less useful).

    > If Win 7 doesn't have the necessaries, Classic Shell will provide them.


    Classic Shell appears, upon first sight, to be vast overkill for what
    I want - but - if it has the ability to make a Start Menu item, then,
    I guess all that unwanted Windows Explorer skin stuff may still be worth
    the effort.

    To be specific, I'm not trying to *replicate* the WinXP GUI in Windows 7;
    I'm just trying to maintain control of my startup menus. And, it's a
    unexpected shock that Windows 7 doesn't even have this most basic of
    capabilities. <shakes head in utter disbelief>


  4. #4
    Ext User(Zo) Guest

    Re: Freeware to replicate WinXP ability to pin a hierarchical menu to the Win

    Danny D. formulated the question :
    > On Mon, 29 Jul 2013 16:05:45 -0400, dadiOH wrote:
    >
    >> all you have to do is make your directory tree in that folder; it will
    >> cascade (note: directories, NOT shortcuts TO directories).

    >
    > To be clear, I do *not* want the menu *inside* the "All Programs" menu.
    >
    > The reason is that this menu is already polluted, and continues to
    > be polluted, so, I want the menu at the *same level* as the "All Programs"
    > menu.
    >
    > We've determined pretty convincingly, that this basic capability is
    > wholly missing from Windows 7. I'd be ecstatic to be wrong about that,
    > but, it sure seems that it just can't be done with Windows 7 by
    > default (which is a shame as that makes the OS much less useful).
    >
    >> If Win 7 doesn't have the necessaries, Classic Shell will provide them.

    >
    > Classic Shell appears, upon first sight, to be vast overkill for what
    > I want - but - if it has the ability to make a Start Menu item, then,
    > I guess all that unwanted Windows Explorer skin stuff may still be worth
    > the effort.
    >
    > To be specific, I'm not trying to *replicate* the WinXP GUI in Windows 7;
    > I'm just trying to maintain control of my startup menus. And, it's a
    > unexpected shock that Windows 7 doesn't even have this most basic of
    > capabilities. <shakes head in utter disbelief>


    I'm not a user of Win7, but I've been following this thread with
    interest. I came across this forum, it appears to answer your
    question, I think. Well anyway, here is the link, I hope this helps
    you out...

    http://www.sevenforums.com/customiza...andable-3.html

    If you have already read this... sorry :-(

    --
    Zo

    "You are welcome to visit the cemetery where famous Russian and Soviet
    composers, artists, and writers are buried daily except Thursday." -- A
    sign in a Moscow hotel across the street from a Russian Orthodox
    monastery.



  5. #5
    Ext User(dadiOH) Guest

    Re: Freeware to replicate WinXP ability to pin a hierarchical menu to the Win

    "Danny D." <danny@spam.invalid> wrote in message
    news:kt6ucc$l64$12@news.albasani.net
    > On Mon, 29 Jul 2013 16:05:45 -0400, dadiOH wrote:
    >
    > > all you have to do is make your directory tree in that
    > > folder; it will cascade (note: directories, NOT
    > > shortcuts TO directories).

    >
    > To be clear, I do *not* want the menu *inside* the "All
    > Programs" menu.


    No, not in "All Programs" in the START MENU folder...the same one that
    *contains* "All Programs". Clicking the Start button will expand a menu
    that shows "Programs", "Documents", "Settings", whatever AND whatever you
    put in the Start Menu folder (which will be the first in the list).

    If you don't have a start button and you don't want to use Classic Shell,
    the way to do what you want is to make one or more toolbars with your
    directory tree(s) and put it/them on the Windows taskbar.

    > The reason is that this menu is already polluted, and
    > continues to
    > be polluted, so, I want the menu at the *same level* as
    > the "All Programs" menu.


    "Polluted"? How is it polluted? The items there are just shortcuts which
    have the path to the file or folder; as long as you don't change the
    location of what the shortcuts point to, the shortcuts work just fine.

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  6. #6
    Ext User(Danny D.) Guest

    Re: Freeware to replicate WinXP ability to pin a hierarchical menuto the Win

    On Tue, 30 Jul 2013 10:40:08 -0400, dadiOH wrote:

    > "Polluted"? How is it polluted? The items there are just shortcuts which
    > have the path to the file or folder; as long as you don't change the
    > location of what the shortcuts point to, the shortcuts work just fine.


    Hi DadiOh,
    To each his own, but I prefer to maintain a hierarchical menu
    organized by functionality, not by brand name.

    Here is just one example of my hierarchical menu:
    http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7380/9...bde13bc8_o.gif

    I *certainly* could set this up in the default "All Programs" menu,
    but, the very next time anyone installed anything, that menu
    would instantly get polluted by whatever garbage a program
    wishes to add to the start menu.

    For example, there are uninstallers and readmes and all sorts
    of links to program features that I'd never use in a million
    years that are put in the start menu by program installers.

    Sure, I could clean out the crap every single time, but, I
    found it *much easier* to let the programs poop on the start
    menu, and then I simply pull out *just* the shortcuts to
    programs that I need, and I populate my own menu.

    In addition, when others use the computer, *they* may prefer
    the utter clutter of the typical "All Programs" menu.

    The *real* problem is that Microsoft invests an inordinate
    amount of resources added increasingly higher levels of
    abstraction simply because they never organized the hierarchy
    in the first place, and users allowed programs to poop
    all over their PCs. But, I can't solve the world's problems;
    only mine.

  7. #7
    Ext User(dadiOH) Guest

    Re: Freeware to replicate WinXP ability to pin a hierarchical menu to the Win

    "Danny D." <Danny@is.invalid> wrote in message
    news:ktbvl7$i8f$1@speranza.aioe.org
    > On Tue, 30 Jul 2013 10:40:08 -0400, dadiOH wrote:
    >
    > > "Polluted"? How is it polluted? The items there are
    > > just shortcuts which have the path to the file or
    > > folder; as long as you don't change the location of
    > > what the shortcuts point to, the shortcuts work just
    > > fine.

    >
    > Hi DadiOh,
    > To each his own, but I prefer to maintain a hierarchical
    > menu organized by functionality, not by brand name.
    >
    > Here is just one example of my hierarchical menu:
    > http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7380/9...bde13bc8_o.gif
    >
    > I *certainly* could set this up in the default "All
    > Programs" menu, but, the very next time anyone installed
    > anything, that menu
    > would instantly get polluted by whatever garbage a program
    > wishes to add to the start menu.


    And I keep telling you to make your folders in the START MENU folder. Yes,
    "All Programs" is there too but there is nothing to stop you from putting
    other things there and they will NOT become "polluted"; they will be
    displayed as a separate menu tree organized in whatever manner you see fit.
    Why is that so hard to understand?


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