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  1. #41
    Ext User(Paul) Guest

    Re: No sound with WinXP Location 65535

    Bob H wrote:
    > On 18/08/2013 13:06, Paul wrote:>
    > > I just had a thought.
    > >
    > > I wonder if the modem is on a removable assembly ?
    > > Such that, you could pull it, then retest the audoo ?
    > >
    > > Or alternately, I wonder if the BIOS has a "disable" for the
    > > modem. Now, being a pre-built machine, I suppose the BIOS would
    > > be dumbed down. I mean, my laptop has a grand total of *one*
    > > setting in it, changing the hard drive bay from IDE to AHCI.
    > > You can't get much dumber than that, for a BIOS. My desktops
    > > have a metric ton of settings by comparison (home built machines).
    > > I can disable my HDAudio on this machine, if I want to.
    > >
    > > A third possibility, is going into Device Manager, and setting
    > > the modem HDAudio device to "Disable". But based on this
    > > mess not working in the first place, I somehow doubt
    > > that'll do anything. It would be "for the sake of
    > > completeness" kind of test.
    > >
    > > Some of my earlier motherboards (AC97), the output impedance is
    > > quoted as a relatively high number. With the HDAudio generation,
    > > that changed. The output impedance is listed as 1 ohm, so "quite
    > > brittle". Now, being CMOS, we know it can't possibly do that
    > > in a large signal situation (trying to drive ~1V RMS). The HDAudio
    > > CODEC is not a "power amp". (It doesn't have a heatsink on it.)
    > > They must rely on some other limitations in the path, for the
    > > corner cases.
    > >
    > > Paul

    >
    > I booted into the BIOS of the laptop and it was dumbed down with very
    > little options on what can be changed. Of course the modem was not even
    > listed!
    >
    > I then booted into windows XP and disabled the modem, rebooted again and
    > tried for sound....no there wasn't. So disabling the modem didn't make
    > any difference
    >
    > I don't really want to take it apart as I am not really sure what I will
    > be looking for when it is disassembled.
    >
    > The machine in question is a sony viao vgn-fs285b
    >
    > Thanks


    All I could find here...

    http://download.sony-europe.com/pub/...4_FS2_H_EN.pdf

    is on page 120

    "Start : All Programs : VAIO Control Center : Initial Setting"

    I have no idea what's in there, because the manual doesn't show it.

    Virtually all my modern computers here, have a "pop-up boot menu".
    And that's how you select a USB flash key for booting. The key
    differs from one brand to another. On this machine, it's F8.
    On another machine, it's F10. When I want the popup boot (which
    is usually every day), I press it immediately, as soon as the
    POST screen appears in the BIOS.

    This is a classical popup boot menu. They all seem to be blue
    in color, with the same sort of decorations. The only difference,
    might be the type of devices in the list. For example, if your
    NIC has a BIOS PXE module, you can even "net-boot" if you have
    a boot server in the house. If you had turned off PXE in the
    separate BIOS setup screen, then a PXE entry would stop
    appearing in the popup. It's really very convenient, and has
    been around for seven or eight years.

    http://docs.oracle.com/cd/E19127-01/...twork-Menu.gif

    Paul

  2. #42
    Ext User(Bob H) Guest

    Re: No sound with WinXP Location 65535

    On 19/08/2013 12:27, Paul wrote:
    > Bob H wrote:
    >> On 18/08/2013 13:06, Paul wrote:>
    >> > I just had a thought.
    >> >
    >> > I wonder if the modem is on a removable assembly ?
    >> > Such that, you could pull it, then retest the audoo ?
    >> >
    >> > Or alternately, I wonder if the BIOS has a "disable" for the
    >> > modem. Now, being a pre-built machine, I suppose the BIOS would
    >> > be dumbed down. I mean, my laptop has a grand total of *one*
    >> > setting in it, changing the hard drive bay from IDE to AHCI.
    >> > You can't get much dumber than that, for a BIOS. My desktops
    >> > have a metric ton of settings by comparison (home built machines).
    >> > I can disable my HDAudio on this machine, if I want to.
    >> >
    >> > A third possibility, is going into Device Manager, and setting
    >> > the modem HDAudio device to "Disable". But based on this
    >> > mess not working in the first place, I somehow doubt
    >> > that'll do anything. It would be "for the sake of
    >> > completeness" kind of test.
    >> >
    >> > Some of my earlier motherboards (AC97), the output impedance is
    >> > quoted as a relatively high number. With the HDAudio generation,
    >> > that changed. The output impedance is listed as 1 ohm, so "quite
    >> > brittle". Now, being CMOS, we know it can't possibly do that
    >> > in a large signal situation (trying to drive ~1V RMS). The HDAudio
    >> > CODEC is not a "power amp". (It doesn't have a heatsink on it.)
    >> > They must rely on some other limitations in the path, for the
    >> > corner cases.
    >> >
    >> > Paul

    >>
    >> I booted into the BIOS of the laptop and it was dumbed down with very
    >> little options on what can be changed. Of course the modem was not
    >> even listed!
    >>
    >> I then booted into windows XP and disabled the modem, rebooted again
    >> and tried for sound....no there wasn't. So disabling the modem didn't
    >> make any difference
    >>
    >> I don't really want to take it apart as I am not really sure what I
    >> will be looking for when it is disassembled.
    >>
    >> The machine in question is a sony viao vgn-fs285b
    >>
    >> Thanks

    >
    > All I could find here...
    >
    > http://download.sony-europe.com/pub/...4_FS2_H_EN.pdf
    >
    >
    > is on page 120
    >
    > "Start : All Programs : VAIO Control Center : Initial Setting"
    >
    > I have no idea what's in there, because the manual doesn't show it.
    >
    > Virtually all my modern computers here, have a "pop-up boot menu".
    > And that's how you select a USB flash key for booting. The key
    > differs from one brand to another. On this machine, it's F8.
    > On another machine, it's F10. When I want the popup boot (which
    > is usually every day), I press it immediately, as soon as the
    > POST screen appears in the BIOS.
    >
    > This is a classical popup boot menu. They all seem to be blue
    > in color, with the same sort of decorations. The only difference,
    > might be the type of devices in the list. For example, if your
    > NIC has a BIOS PXE module, you can even "net-boot" if you have
    > a boot server in the house. If you had turned off PXE in the
    > separate BIOS setup screen, then a PXE entry would stop
    > appearing in the popup. It's really very convenient, and has
    > been around for seven or eight years.
    >
    > http://docs.oracle.com/cd/E19127-01/...twork-Menu.gif
    >
    >
    > Paul


    When I go to "Start : All Programs : there is no VAIO control center on
    this machine. It has: VAIO Edit components, VIAO Launcher, VIAO
    Promotions, VIAO Recovery Tool, VIAO Zone and VIAO Update.

    Yesterday, I went through more or less every F key to try and get a
    submenu, which I have seen and used on some machines, to pop up, but I
    inadvertetly got the recovery console up on F10, which is what I did.

    I can recall see something in the BIOS with regards to a Net-Boot or
    something, but I don't have a boot server, only a nas box for media files.




  3. #43
    Ext User(Paul) Guest

    Re: No sound with WinXP Location 65535

    Bob H wrote:

    >
    > When I go to "Start : All Programs : there is no VAIO control center on
    > this machine. It has: VAIO Edit components, VIAO Launcher, VIAO
    > Promotions, VIAO Recovery Tool, VIAO Zone and VIAO Update.
    >
    > Yesterday, I went through more or less every F key to try and get a
    > submenu, which I have seen and used on some machines, to pop up, but I
    > inadvertetly got the recovery console up on F10, which is what I did.
    >
    > I can recall see something in the BIOS with regards to a Net-Boot or
    > something, but I don't have a boot server, only a nas box for media files.


    On home-built machines, sometimes there is a note on the very first
    page of the BIOS POST screen, listing two keys:

    1) A key to enter the BIOS ( <del> key on an Asus )
    2) A key to do pop-up boot ( F8 key on this particular Asus board )

    You can hit the <Pause> key when the screen lights up, if
    you need to calmly read that POST screen. If instead of a POST
    screen, you see a full screen graphic (so-called logo), you
    can disable that so the text is visible. The very first setting
    I disable on a new motherboard, is that useless logo.

    Even my laptop (the one with only a single BIOS setting in the setup),
    it has the two BIOS keys. It uses F2 to enter the BIOS, and F12 for
    popup boot. And the screen flashes by so fast, I usually miss the
    opportunity to press F12. On the laptop, with Insyde-brand BIOS
    design, the window of opportunity for popup boot is 1 second!

    On my main computer (Asus P5E Deluxe - not very Deluxe...),
    the window to press the F8 key is around 10-15 seconds. So
    I don't usually miss that one. The laptop is another matter,
    because sometimes the screen remains black while the one
    second interval is passing. Other times, the screen is lit by
    the time the time interval has run its course. It's really
    irritating. Almost as if they didn't want me to escape the
    clutches of Windows OS :-)

    Paul

  4. #44
    Ext User(Bob H) Guest

    Re: No sound with WinXP Location 65535

    On 19/08/2013 14:45, Paul wrote:
    > Bob H wrote:
    >
    >>
    >> When I go to "Start : All Programs : there is no VAIO control center
    >> on this machine. It has: VAIO Edit components, VIAO Launcher, VIAO
    >> Promotions, VIAO Recovery Tool, VIAO Zone and VIAO Update.
    >>
    >> Yesterday, I went through more or less every F key to try and get a
    >> submenu, which I have seen and used on some machines, to pop up, but I
    >> inadvertetly got the recovery console up on F10, which is what I did.
    >>
    >> I can recall see something in the BIOS with regards to a Net-Boot or
    >> something, but I don't have a boot server, only a nas box for media
    >> files.

    >
    > On home-built machines, sometimes there is a note on the very first
    > page of the BIOS POST screen, listing two keys:
    >
    > 1) A key to enter the BIOS ( <del> key on an Asus )
    > 2) A key to do pop-up boot ( F8 key on this particular Asus board )
    >
    > You can hit the <Pause> key when the screen lights up, if
    > you need to calmly read that POST screen. If instead of a POST
    > screen, you see a full screen graphic (so-called logo), you
    > can disable that so the text is visible. The very first setting
    > I disable on a new motherboard, is that useless logo.
    >
    > Even my laptop (the one with only a single BIOS setting in the setup),
    > it has the two BIOS keys. It uses F2 to enter the BIOS, and F12 for
    > popup boot. And the screen flashes by so fast, I usually miss the
    > opportunity to press F12. On the laptop, with Insyde-brand BIOS
    > design, the window of opportunity for popup boot is 1 second!
    >
    > On my main computer (Asus P5E Deluxe - not very Deluxe...),
    > the window to press the F8 key is around 10-15 seconds. So
    > I don't usually miss that one. The laptop is another matter,
    > because sometimes the screen remains black while the one
    > second interval is passing. Other times, the screen is lit by
    > the time the time interval has run its course. It's really
    > irritating. Almost as if they didn't want me to escape the
    > clutches of Windows OS :-)
    >
    > Paul


    I have just had another look in the BIOS and the Net option is Network
    in the Boot menu , and Network Boot in Advanced Menu.
    Pressing / holding the Pause key revealed nothing at all. Even after I
    disabled the Viao logo, all there was to see was just a blank black
    screen until the WindowsXp logo appeared as it was booting up.

    One interesting thing tho' was when I was pressing the F2 key, sort of
    repeatedly to get into the BIOS, for a fraction of a second before the
    actual BIOS screen appeared there was a small text white menu on a black
    background, and then it disappeared as the BIOS screen appeared.
    I did try it again to get that said menu up, but all I got was the BIOS
    screen.

    The BIOS is as I said before is dumbed down and there are very few
    congurable options to change.

  5. #45
    Ext User(Bob H) Guest

    Re: No sound with WinXP Location 65535

    On 19/08/2013 16:05, Bob H wrote:
    > On 19/08/2013 14:45, Paul wrote:
    >> Bob H wrote:
    >>
    >>>
    >>> When I go to "Start : All Programs : there is no VAIO control center
    >>> on this machine. It has: VAIO Edit components, VIAO Launcher, VIAO
    >>> Promotions, VIAO Recovery Tool, VIAO Zone and VIAO Update.
    >>>
    >>> Yesterday, I went through more or less every F key to try and get a
    >>> submenu, which I have seen and used on some machines, to pop up, but I
    >>> inadvertetly got the recovery console up on F10, which is what I did.
    >>>
    >>> I can recall see something in the BIOS with regards to a Net-Boot or
    >>> something, but I don't have a boot server, only a nas box for media
    >>> files.

    >>
    >> On home-built machines, sometimes there is a note on the very first
    >> page of the BIOS POST screen, listing two keys:
    >>
    >> 1) A key to enter the BIOS ( <del> key on an Asus )
    >> 2) A key to do pop-up boot ( F8 key on this particular Asus board )
    >>
    >> You can hit the <Pause> key when the screen lights up, if
    >> you need to calmly read that POST screen. If instead of a POST
    >> screen, you see a full screen graphic (so-called logo), you
    >> can disable that so the text is visible. The very first setting
    >> I disable on a new motherboard, is that useless logo.
    >>
    >> Even my laptop (the one with only a single BIOS setting in the setup),
    >> it has the two BIOS keys. It uses F2 to enter the BIOS, and F12 for
    >> popup boot. And the screen flashes by so fast, I usually miss the
    >> opportunity to press F12. On the laptop, with Insyde-brand BIOS
    >> design, the window of opportunity for popup boot is 1 second!
    >>
    >> On my main computer (Asus P5E Deluxe - not very Deluxe...),
    >> the window to press the F8 key is around 10-15 seconds. So
    >> I don't usually miss that one. The laptop is another matter,
    >> because sometimes the screen remains black while the one
    >> second interval is passing. Other times, the screen is lit by
    >> the time the time interval has run its course. It's really
    >> irritating. Almost as if they didn't want me to escape the
    >> clutches of Windows OS :-)
    >>
    >> Paul

    >
    > I have just had another look in the BIOS and the Net option is Network
    > in the Boot menu , and Network Boot in Advanced Menu.
    > Pressing / holding the Pause key revealed nothing at all. Even after I
    > disabled the Viao logo, all there was to see was just a blank black
    > screen until the WindowsXp logo appeared as it was booting up.
    >
    > One interesting thing tho' was when I was pressing the F2 key, sort of
    > repeatedly to get into the BIOS, for a fraction of a second before the
    > actual BIOS screen appeared there was a small text white menu on a black
    > background, and then it disappeared as the BIOS screen appeared.
    > I did try it again to get that said menu up, but all I got was the BIOS
    > screen.
    >
    > The BIOS is as I said before is dumbed down and there are very few
    > congurable options to change.


    I have taken the back case off to reveal the motherboard, so that I can
    see the pink and green sockets and how they are attached.
    There doesn't seem to be any broken or cracked solder joints, but that
    doesn't mean they can't be dry.

    I am not that technically qualified to see or know any more than that.
    There is nothing obviously wrong that I can see, as in nothing has
    become unattached and nothing is hanging loose, so I'm going to put it
    all back together now.

  6. #46
    Ext User(Johnny) Guest

    Re: No sound with WinXP Location 65535

    On 8/19/2013 11:19 AM, Bob H wrote:
    > On 19/08/2013 16:05, Bob H wrote:
    >> On 19/08/2013 14:45, Paul wrote:
    >>> Bob H wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>
    >>>> When I go to "Start : All Programs : there is no VAIO control center
    >>>> on this machine. It has: VAIO Edit components, VIAO Launcher, VIAO
    >>>> Promotions, VIAO Recovery Tool, VIAO Zone and VIAO Update.
    >>>>
    >>>> Yesterday, I went through more or less every F key to try and get a
    >>>> submenu, which I have seen and used on some machines, to pop up, but I
    >>>> inadvertetly got the recovery console up on F10, which is what I did.
    >>>>
    >>>> I can recall see something in the BIOS with regards to a Net-Boot or
    >>>> something, but I don't have a boot server, only a nas box for media
    >>>> files.
    >>>
    >>> On home-built machines, sometimes there is a note on the very first
    >>> page of the BIOS POST screen, listing two keys:
    >>>
    >>> 1) A key to enter the BIOS ( <del> key on an Asus )
    >>> 2) A key to do pop-up boot ( F8 key on this particular Asus board )
    >>>
    >>> You can hit the <Pause> key when the screen lights up, if
    >>> you need to calmly read that POST screen. If instead of a POST
    >>> screen, you see a full screen graphic (so-called logo), you
    >>> can disable that so the text is visible. The very first setting
    >>> I disable on a new motherboard, is that useless logo.
    >>>
    >>> Even my laptop (the one with only a single BIOS setting in the setup),
    >>> it has the two BIOS keys. It uses F2 to enter the BIOS, and F12 for
    >>> popup boot. And the screen flashes by so fast, I usually miss the
    >>> opportunity to press F12. On the laptop, with Insyde-brand BIOS
    >>> design, the window of opportunity for popup boot is 1 second!
    >>>
    >>> On my main computer (Asus P5E Deluxe - not very Deluxe...),
    >>> the window to press the F8 key is around 10-15 seconds. So
    >>> I don't usually miss that one. The laptop is another matter,
    >>> because sometimes the screen remains black while the one
    >>> second interval is passing. Other times, the screen is lit by
    >>> the time the time interval has run its course. It's really
    >>> irritating. Almost as if they didn't want me to escape the
    >>> clutches of Windows OS :-)
    >>>
    >>> Paul

    >>
    >> I have just had another look in the BIOS and the Net option is Network
    >> in the Boot menu , and Network Boot in Advanced Menu.
    >> Pressing / holding the Pause key revealed nothing at all. Even after I
    >> disabled the Viao logo, all there was to see was just a blank black
    >> screen until the WindowsXp logo appeared as it was booting up.
    >>
    >> One interesting thing tho' was when I was pressing the F2 key, sort of
    >> repeatedly to get into the BIOS, for a fraction of a second before the
    >> actual BIOS screen appeared there was a small text white menu on a black
    >> background, and then it disappeared as the BIOS screen appeared.
    >> I did try it again to get that said menu up, but all I got was the BIOS
    >> screen.
    >>
    >> The BIOS is as I said before is dumbed down and there are very few
    >> congurable options to change.

    >
    > I have taken the back case off to reveal the motherboard, so that I can
    > see the pink and green sockets and how they are attached.
    > There doesn't seem to be any broken or cracked solder joints, but that
    > doesn't mean they can't be dry.
    >
    > I am not that technically qualified to see or know any more than that.
    > There is nothing obviously wrong that I can see, as in nothing has
    > become unattached and nothing is hanging loose, so I'm going to put it
    > all back together now.


    It's been a few years since I used XP. Does it have troubleshooting
    listed in the control panel. If it does Windows will try to play a
    sound, and diagnose the problem if there is one.

  7. #47
    Ext User(Bob H) Guest

    Re: No sound with WinXP Location 65535

    On 19/08/2013 17:41, Johnny wrote:
    > On 8/19/2013 11:19 AM, Bob H wrote:
    >> On 19/08/2013 16:05, Bob H wrote:
    >>> On 19/08/2013 14:45, Paul wrote:
    >>>> Bob H wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> When I go to "Start : All Programs : there is no VAIO control center
    >>>>> on this machine. It has: VAIO Edit components, VIAO Launcher, VIAO
    >>>>> Promotions, VIAO Recovery Tool, VIAO Zone and VIAO Update.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Yesterday, I went through more or less every F key to try and get a
    >>>>> submenu, which I have seen and used on some machines, to pop up, but I
    >>>>> inadvertetly got the recovery console up on F10, which is what I did.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> I can recall see something in the BIOS with regards to a Net-Boot or
    >>>>> something, but I don't have a boot server, only a nas box for media
    >>>>> files.
    >>>>
    >>>> On home-built machines, sometimes there is a note on the very first
    >>>> page of the BIOS POST screen, listing two keys:
    >>>>
    >>>> 1) A key to enter the BIOS ( <del> key on an Asus )
    >>>> 2) A key to do pop-up boot ( F8 key on this particular Asus board )
    >>>>
    >>>> You can hit the <Pause> key when the screen lights up, if
    >>>> you need to calmly read that POST screen. If instead of a POST
    >>>> screen, you see a full screen graphic (so-called logo), you
    >>>> can disable that so the text is visible. The very first setting
    >>>> I disable on a new motherboard, is that useless logo.
    >>>>
    >>>> Even my laptop (the one with only a single BIOS setting in the setup),
    >>>> it has the two BIOS keys. It uses F2 to enter the BIOS, and F12 for
    >>>> popup boot. And the screen flashes by so fast, I usually miss the
    >>>> opportunity to press F12. On the laptop, with Insyde-brand BIOS
    >>>> design, the window of opportunity for popup boot is 1 second!
    >>>>
    >>>> On my main computer (Asus P5E Deluxe - not very Deluxe...),
    >>>> the window to press the F8 key is around 10-15 seconds. So
    >>>> I don't usually miss that one. The laptop is another matter,
    >>>> because sometimes the screen remains black while the one
    >>>> second interval is passing. Other times, the screen is lit by
    >>>> the time the time interval has run its course. It's really
    >>>> irritating. Almost as if they didn't want me to escape the
    >>>> clutches of Windows OS :-)
    >>>>
    >>>> Paul
    >>>
    >>> I have just had another look in the BIOS and the Net option is Network
    >>> in the Boot menu , and Network Boot in Advanced Menu.
    >>> Pressing / holding the Pause key revealed nothing at all. Even after I
    >>> disabled the Viao logo, all there was to see was just a blank black
    >>> screen until the WindowsXp logo appeared as it was booting up.
    >>>
    >>> One interesting thing tho' was when I was pressing the F2 key, sort of
    >>> repeatedly to get into the BIOS, for a fraction of a second before the
    >>> actual BIOS screen appeared there was a small text white menu on a black
    >>> background, and then it disappeared as the BIOS screen appeared.
    >>> I did try it again to get that said menu up, but all I got was the BIOS
    >>> screen.
    >>>
    >>> The BIOS is as I said before is dumbed down and there are very few
    >>> congurable options to change.

    >>
    >> I have taken the back case off to reveal the motherboard, so that I can
    >> see the pink and green sockets and how they are attached.
    >> There doesn't seem to be any broken or cracked solder joints, but that
    >> doesn't mean they can't be dry.
    >>
    >> I am not that technically qualified to see or know any more than that.
    >> There is nothing obviously wrong that I can see, as in nothing has
    >> become unattached and nothing is hanging loose, so I'm going to put it
    >> all back together now.

    >
    > It's been a few years since I used XP. Does it have troubleshooting
    > listed in the control panel. If it does Windows will try to play a
    > sound, and diagnose the problem if there is one.


    No it doesn't have a trouble shooting list in the control panel, but you
    can only trouble shoot the actual device. So when go into DM and choose
    the Realtek HD audio device and then click trouble shoot, I just get the
    help and support centre window up which won't tell me if there is
    something like a specific hardware fault like dry solder joints.

  8. #48
    Ext User(J. P. Gilliver (John)) Guest

    Re: No sound with WinXP Location 65535

    In message <L4GdnWl5ZY_3dIzPnZ2dnUVZ8madnZ2d@giganews.com>, Bob H
    <bob@despammer.com> writes:
    []
    >So after the bootable iso was created on the USB stick, I then plugged
    >into the sony laptop, and restarted it to get into the BIOS.
    >There was no option/no listing to select boot to USB, only HD, Floppy
    >and Optical Drive.


    Oh dear - sorry, I should have said check that option is available
    before making the stick! Sorry to have wasted your time.
    >
    >So after all that, I'm back to where I was.
    >
    >Thanks for the prompt anyway about using a USB stick.


    Ah well, at least it might be useful on other computers.
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

    `Where a calculator on the Eniac is equipped with 18,000 vacuum tubes and
    weighs
    30 tons, computers in the future may have only 1,000 vacuum tubes and perhaps
    weigh 1.5 tons.' Popular Mechanics, March 1949 (quoted in Computing 1999-12-16)

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