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  1. #21
    Ext User(Evan Platt) Guest

    Re: How many computers (sequentially) can a Windows license be re-used

    On Sat, 24 Aug 2013 23:15:09 -0500, richard <noreply@example.com>
    wrote:

    >No. I'm just saying don't be online with more than two at the same time.
    >They will know how many machines are online through your MAC address.


    Oh wow. Clueless as ever.
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  2. #22
    Ext User(Eddie Powalski) Guest

    Re: How many computers (sequentially) can a Windows license bere-used

    On Sun, 25 Aug 2013 13:38:43 -0500, richard wrote:

    > what are the odds that no two ever have the same mac address?


    I think the odds are low, except, that it's trivial to CHANGE
    the MAC address of your NIC cards.
    http://lifehacker.com/5048343/change...ess-in-windows

    Of course, it's trivial to change your IP address also...


  3. #23
    Ext User(Eddie Powalski) Guest

    Re: How many computers (sequentially) can a Windows license bere-used

    On Sun, 25 Aug 2013 12:11:39 -0300, nemesis wrote:

    > Windows updates send your MB number, MAC address and HD serial number to
    > the Micro$oft/NSA at EVERY update. Encrypted. They also get the router IP
    > (and mac, if you it uses IPV6)
    > You are confused, and possibly doomed.
    > Changing MAC addy is only useful in Linux, and even then only if you
    > wardrive.


    This makes no sense to me - but maybe I'm missing something.
    First, what's a "MB" number?
    Second, a MAC address, on both Linux & Windows, is trivial to change.
    It's also trivial to change a MAC address on (most) routers.

    I have no idea how to change the hard drive serial number though.

    Can it be done with freeware?


  4. #24
    Ext User(Eddie Powalski) Guest

    Re: How many computers (sequentially) can a Windows license bere-used

    On Sun, 25 Aug 2013 09:59:46 -0400, Paul wrote:

    > My NVidia Nforce2 based
    > motherboard, is the only one I have where the MAC
    > can be changed via the BIOS flasher.


    Why not just change the MAC address in freeware software?
    http://www.mydigitallife.info/how-to...nix-and-linux/
    http://www.zokali.com/win7-mac-address-changer/
    http://www.softpedia.com/get/Tweak/N...-Changer.shtml
    http://www.addictivetips.com/windows...7-mac-changer/
    etc.


  5. #25
    Ext User(Eddie Powalski) Guest

    Re: How many computers (sequentially) can a Windows license bere-used

    On Sun, 25 Aug 2013 14:46:28 -0400, Don Phillipson wrote:

    > If Microsoft had a legal department, you might think they would be
    > glad to tell you.


    I seriously doubt they'd answer an email.

    Have _you_ ever gotten an email response from a lawyer at
    any large company like Microsoft?


  6. #26
    Ext User(Paul) Guest

    Re: How many computers (sequentially) can a Windows license be re-used

    Eddie Powalski wrote:
    > On Sun, 25 Aug 2013 09:59:46 -0400, Paul wrote:
    >
    >> My NVidia Nforce2 based
    >> motherboard, is the only one I have where the MAC
    >> can be changed via the BIOS flasher.

    >
    > Why not just change the MAC address in freeware software?
    > http://www.mydigitallife.info/how-to...nix-and-linux/
    > http://www.zokali.com/win7-mac-address-changer/
    > http://www.softpedia.com/get/Tweak/N...-Changer.shtml
    > http://www.addictivetips.com/windows...7-mac-changer/
    > etc.
    >


    http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/it-...a-mac-address/

    "MS Windows: On Microsoft Windows systems, the MAC address is stored
    in a registry key. The location of that key varies from one
    MS Windows version to the next, but find that and you can
    just edit it yourself."

    The OS can probe for the "burned in hardware value", when
    doing a WPA check. I don't think the spoof software you
    quote, will fix that. It's for changing the MAC which is
    stored in some intermediate location. Windows WPA won't be
    reading a registry key for this. They're not that dumb.

    *******

    And the hard drive serial number, the hard drive manufacturer
    doesn't want you to change that. (They check the serial, when
    determining whether your warranty claim is valid.) So they're
    not going to leave that out in the open. It's probably
    not "burned in hardware" and ultra-secure - you might need to
    overwrite "track -1" to get at it. Just a guess. "Track -1"
    contains the body of the drive firmware and data structures.
    And it just might have the serial as well. Using the firmware
    flasher, should not be overwriting where the serial is stored.
    As far as I know, there is some provision in the ATA/ATAPI
    spec for updating firmware. And it's not likely to trash
    other areas of storage.

    Even if you did a Secure Erase of the drive, it should not
    touch the serial number.

    Paul

  7. #27
    Ext User(Bill Graham) Guest

    Re: How many computers (sequentially) can a Windows license be re-used

    Eddie Powalski wrote:
    > On Sun, 25 Aug 2013 14:46:28 -0400, Don Phillipson wrote:
    >
    >> If Microsoft had a legal department, you might think they would be
    >> glad to tell you.

    >
    > I seriously doubt they'd answer an email.
    >
    > Have _you_ ever gotten an email response from a lawyer at
    > any large company like Microsoft?


    I can't even email a large company like Microsoft. I can't email Facebook.
    these people don;t wnt to talk to the likes of me. They know it all. They
    don't need any suggestions, complaints, or advice of any kind from the likes
    of me. All they want out of me is my money. As much of it as possible, as
    fast as possible with no questions asked or given. And the hell of it is, I
    have no choice. I am completely dependent on them, and they know it.


  8. #28
    Ext User(K Wills) Guest

    Re: How many computers (sequentially) can a Windows license be re-used

    On Sun, 25 Aug 2013 22:09:49 -0700, "Bill Graham" <weg9@comcast.net>
    wrote:

    >Eddie Powalski wrote:
    >> On Sun, 25 Aug 2013 14:46:28 -0400, Don Phillipson wrote:
    >>
    >>> If Microsoft had a legal department, you might think they would be
    >>> glad to tell you.

    >>
    >> I seriously doubt they'd answer an email.
    >>
    >> Have _you_ ever gotten an email response from a lawyer at
    >> any large company like Microsoft?

    >
    >I can't even email a large company like Microsoft. I can't email Facebook.
    >these people don;t wnt to talk to the likes of me. They know it all. They
    >don't need any suggestions, complaints, or advice of any kind from the likes
    >of me. All they want out of me is my money. As much of it as possible, as
    >fast as possible with no questions asked or given. And the hell of it is, I
    >have no choice.


    Yes you do. Windows is not the only operating system in
    existence.

    >I am completely dependent on them, and they know it.


    You mean you have made the choice to be dependent on them. Not
    only are you not required to use any Microsoft product, you are not
    required to use any home computer of any sort.

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  9. #29
    Ext User(Ken Blake) Guest

    Re: How many computers (sequentially) can a Windows license be re-used

    On Sat, 24 Aug 2013 18:10:04 -0700, richard <noreply@example.com>
    wrote:

    > On Sat, 24 Aug 2013 23:08:04 +0000 (UTC), Eddie Powalski wrote:
    >
    > > On Sat, 24 Aug 2013 14:38:53 -0700, Ghostrider <" wrote:
    > >
    > >> I think this covers all of the fine points.

    > >
    > > It's a full retail version!
    > > So, that is good news.
    > > The gist is that I can put it on as many machines, sequentially,
    > > as I like.
    > > Thanks!

    >
    > Actually, you can install the retail version on as many machines as you
    > want, that you own.



    Can? Do you mean that you can violate the licensing agreement and get
    away with it? Perhaps. And perhaps you can rob a bank and get away
    with it too. But you *may not* have it on more than one computer at a
    time.

    > If you were to install that item on machines owned by friends, and M$ sees
    > them operating from several locations, then that is a violation.



    It's got nothing to do with who owns the machines. If it's on more
    than one at a time, it's a violation.

    And if it's a retail version, it may be installed sequentially, one at
    a time, on as many computer as you like, regardless of who owns them,
    and regardless of where they are located.


  10. #30
    Ext User(Eddie Powalski) Guest

    Re: How many computers (sequentially) can a Windows license bere-used

    On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 13:23:41 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

    > And if it's a retail version, it may be installed sequentially, one at
    > a time, on as many computer as you like, regardless of who owns them,
    > and regardless of where they are located.


    This is really what I needed to know!


  11. #31
    Ext User(Evan Platt) Guest

    Re: How many computers (sequentially) can a Windows license be re-used

    On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 13:23:41 -0700, Ken Blake <kblake@kb.invalid>
    wrote:

    >On Sat, 24 Aug 2013 18:10:04 -0700, richard <noreply@example.com>
    >wrote:
    >
    >> On Sat, 24 Aug 2013 23:08:04 +0000 (UTC), Eddie Powalski wrote:
    >>
    >> > On Sat, 24 Aug 2013 14:38:53 -0700, Ghostrider <" wrote:
    >> >
    >> >> I think this covers all of the fine points.
    >> >
    >> > It's a full retail version!
    >> > So, that is good news.
    >> > The gist is that I can put it on as many machines, sequentially,
    >> > as I like.
    >> > Thanks!

    >>
    >> Actually, you can install the retail version on as many machines as you
    >> want, that you own.

    >
    >
    >Can? Do you mean that you can violate the licensing agreement and get
    >away with it? Perhaps. And perhaps you can rob a bank and get away
    >with it too. But you *may not* have it on more than one computer at a
    >time.
    >
    >> If you were to install that item on machines owned by friends, and M$ sees
    >> them operating from several locations, then that is a violation.

    >
    >
    >It's got nothing to do with who owns the machines. If it's on more
    >than one at a time, it's a violation.
    >
    >And if it's a retail version, it may be installed sequentially, one at
    >a time, on as many computer as you like, regardless of who owns them,
    >and regardless of where they are located.


    richard has proven numerous times he doesn't comprehend how software
    licenses operate.
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  12. #32
    Ext User(Ken Blake) Guest

    Re: How many computers (sequentially) can a Windows license be re-used

    On Tue, 27 Aug 2013 00:41:20 +0000 (UTC), Eddie Powalski
    <Eddie@example.com> wrote:

    > On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 13:23:41 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:
    >
    > > And if it's a retail version, it may be installed sequentially, one at
    > > a time, on as many computer as you like, regardless of who owns them,
    > > and regardless of where they are located.

    >
    > This is really what I needed to know!


    Glad to help.




  13. #33
    Ext User(...winston) Guest

    Re: How many computers (sequentially) can a Windows license be re-used

    One can install a retail version on as many machines as necessary.

    A separate Product Key is necessary to activate each installation.
    - each installation and use requires a unique and separate product key
    - i.e. one product key, one license required per installation/use per
    machine

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    "Eddie Powalski" wrote in message news:kvgsjg$pc8$2@dont-email.me...

    On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 13:23:41 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

    > And if it's a retail version, it may be installed sequentially, one at
    > a time, on as many computer as you like, regardless of who owns them,
    > and regardless of where they are located.


    This is really what I needed to know!


  14. #34
    Ext User(...winston) Guest

    Re: How many computers (sequentially) can a Windows license be re-used

    That's not how it (metadata collection) works.
    MAC address is not relevant for hardware, it may be significant for VM since
    changing the UUID in a VM changes the system generated VM Mac Address.


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    "richard" wrote in message
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    On Sun, 25 Aug 2013 04:09:16 +0000 (UTC), Eddie Powalski wrote:

    > On Sat, 24 Aug 2013 18:10:04 -0700, richard wrote:
    >
    >> you can install the retail version on as many machines as you
    >> want, that you own.

    >
    > Now that's interesting.
    >
    > I have the box in front of me. It says:
    > Windows 7 Ultimate
    > Microsoft Company Store Purchase
    > Do not lend or make illegal copies.
    > 32-bit software (and 64-bit software)
    >
    > There is a proof of license card, with a product key, which says
    > "Label not to be sold separately".
    >
    > There is also an orange booklet for Windows 7, and an upgrade card.
    > But the actual license terms don't appear to be printed.
    >
    >> M$ may see it as a violation if you are using two machines with
    >> the same license and key at the same time.

    >
    > Hmm... doesn't that contradict your first statement that I can
    > use it on any number of machines that I own at one location?


    No. I'm just saying don't be online with more than two at the same time.
    They will know how many machines are online through your MAC address.


  15. #35
    Ext User(Char Jackson) Guest

    Re: How many computers (sequentially) can a Windows license be re-used

    On Sun, 25 Aug 2013 11:16:43 +0000 (UTC), Eddie Powalski <Eddie@example.com>
    wrote:

    >On Sat, 24 Aug 2013 23:15:09 -0500, richard wrote:
    >
    >> No. I'm just saying don't be online with more than two at the same time.
    >> They will know how many machines are online through your MAC address.

    >
    >I don't think a MAC address makes it through the router.
    >Does it?


    No, not by normal networking means, but nothing prevents an application from
    picking up the MAC and transporting it as data to a distant endpoint. Maybe
    that's what richard is talking about, but I don't know.

    >Plus, you can set all your PCs to have the same MAC address if you like.
    >Right?


    You could, but if they're on the same LAN you won't get very far. Duplicate
    MAC addresses will prevent intra-LAN communication.


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