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Thread: Is there freeware to turn OFF the sensitive TOUCHPAD when a USBmouse is connected?

  1. #21
    Ext User(Art Todesco) Guest

    Re: Is there freeware to turn OFF the sensitive TOUCHPAD when a USBmouse is connected?

    On 9/10/2013 3:33 PM, Danny D. wrote:
    > I can't count the number of times the sensitive touchpad is
    > inadvertently activated while typing, in Windows XP & Windows 7.
    >
    > Is there freeware available that will simply TURN OFF the touchpad
    > when a USB mouse is connected?
    >
    > I guess if not, then is there a SIMPLE way to disable the TOUCHPAD
    > driver when the mouse is attached; and then a simple way to re-enable
    > that touchpad driver when the mouse is not connected?
    >

    I've got 2 laptops, newer Dell (W7) and an older Gateway (XP) and both
    have a setting using the keyboard, to shut off the touchpad. They both
    use a proprietary control key that must be held while hitting a number
    key or a function key.

  2. #22
    Ext User(Danny D.) Guest

    Re: Is there freeware to turn OFF the sensitive TOUCHPAD when a USBmouse is connected?

    nemesis wrote:

    > You can meddle with the settings through "Control Panel -- Mouse".
    > I turn the pad clicks off.


    Thanks to the help here, I found out that I was using the Microsoft
    drivers, which didn't have that automatic disabling feature.

    However, when I downloaded the Dell drivers for the touchpad, those
    drivers DID have the feature to automagically disable the touchpad when
    the USB mouse is connected.

    The nice thing is that the Dell driver automatically re-enables the
    touchpad when you disconnect the USB mouse.

    Perfect. And free (sort of).


  3. #23
    Ext User(Danny D.) Guest

    Re: Is there freeware to turn OFF the sensitive TOUCHPAD when a USBmouse is connected?

    VanguardLH wrote:

    > Isn't there a button alongside the edge of the touchpad to physically
    > enable/disable it? You don't identify the touchpad. Is it in a laptop?
    > If so, which one (make and model)? Is it a standalone device?


    I don't see a manual disable button.

    It's a Dell XPS M1730.

    The darn touchpad is smack right where your hands go!

    Reviews:
    http://www.trustedreviews.com/Dell-X..._Laptop_review
    http://www.cnet.com/laptops/dell-xps...-32687269.html


  4. #24
    Ext User(Danny D.) Guest

    Re: Is there freeware to turn OFF the sensitive TOUCHPAD when a USBmouse is connected?

    Thip wrote:

    > I disabled mine in Control Panel.


    That only works if you have the option.

    The default drivers which loaded with Windows 7 did NOT have that option
    (as far as I could tell).

    Luckily, people here directed me to the Dell drivers, which DID have that
    option!

    http://www.dell.com/support/drivers/...duct/xps-m1730


  5. #25
    Ext User(Danny D.) Guest

    Re: Is there freeware to turn OFF the sensitive TOUCHPAD when a USBmouse is connected?

    richard wrote:

    > Or check your control panel mouse settings.


    It wasn't in those settings but that turned out to be because I was using
    the default drivers (which worked fine, otherwise).

    When I installed the Dell-specific touchpad drivers, there finally was an
    option to automagically enable and disable the touchpad depending on
    whether the USB mouse was plugged in or not.

    Perfect! And free (sort of).


  6. #26
    Ext User(Danny D.) Guest

    Re: Is there freeware to turn OFF the sensitive TOUCHPAD when a USBmouse is connected?

    Don McC wrote:

    > Some include the ability to automatically disable the touchpad when an
    > external mouse is attached.


    That was the answer that worked!

    The default Microsoft drivers did NOT have the option which allowed the
    touchpad to be automatically disabled once I plugged in a USB mouse.

    But, the updated Dell drivers DID have that option!
    http://www.dell.com/support/drivers/...driverid=F8RCC

    Interestingly, it's listed as "optional" in the Dell download pages:
    Dell Touchpad / Pointing Stick, v.9.1.18.6, A00
    Combined 32-Bit/64-bit Touchpad Driver for XP/2K and Vista
    Release Date: 8/2/2007
    Importance: Optional
    Version: 9.1.18.6,A00


  7. #27
    Ext User(Danny D.) Guest

    Re: Is there freeware to turn OFF the sensitive TOUCHPAD when a USBmouse is connected?

    J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

    > if you _do_ find some freeware that turns off the 'pad when an external
    > mouse is present [and back when it isn't], please share, as clearly many
    > would like it [I still use the 'pad for some things even with a mouse]).


    The Dell-specific touchpad driver had an option to automatically turn off
    the touchpad the moment a USB mouse it plugged in.

    So, my problem was that I was using whatever drivers self-installed when
    I set up the operating system (Windows 7).

    The way it works now is that the touchpad is disabled the moment a USB
    mouse is plugged in; and then the touchpad is re-enabled the moment you
    pull the USB mouse off.

    Seems to be perfect - so - I never did find any freeware to perform the
    task.


  8. #28
    Ext User(Danny D.) Guest

    Re: Is there freeware to turn OFF the sensitive TOUCHPAD when a USBmouse is connected?

    Stan Brown wrote:

    > It should be in the drivers for your laptop.


    You were right!
    It was in the list of OPTIONAL drivers for the Dell MPX 1730 laptop!
    http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/34...-turn-touchpad

    Who would have known that the standard Microsoft drivers didn't have this
    critical feature.

    In fact, I can't imagine how ANYONE who is trained at typing can actually
    type on this type of laptop without disabling the touchpad!


  9. #29
    Ext User(Danny D.) Guest

    Re: Is there freeware to turn OFF the sensitive TOUCHPAD when a USBmouse is connected?

    Art Todesco wrote:

    > They both use a proprietary control key that must be held while hitting
    > a number key or a function key.


    I don't know if that control sequence exists for my Dell XPS M1730
    laptop, but, luckily, I don't need the control sequence because it's all
    automatic now that I loaded the (supposedly optional) driver for the
    touchpad from Dell.

    http://www.dell.com/support/drivers/...duct/xps-m1730

    IMHO, it's a MANDATORY download, since the keyboard is essentially
    useless with the touchpad in the way, moving the cursor all over the
    place in the middle of your sentences.


  10. #30
    Ext User(Char Jackson) Guest

    Re: Is there freeware to turn OFF the sensitive TOUCHPAD when a USB mouse is connected?

    On Tue, 10 Sep 2013 23:31:18 +0100, choro <choro@tvco.net> wrote:

    >No it ain't! The taskbar SHOULD be hidden unless you want to use it.


    Alternatively, it SHOULDN'T be hidden if you don't want it hidden. I think
    most of us probably don't want it hidden.

    >What is the point of having all that space if you cannot use it or if it
    >hides a good proportion of whatever it is you have up and running.


    If the taskbar takes up an objectionable amount of your screen real estate,
    you might consider a bigger monitor, or perhaps you've expanded your task
    bar to multiple rows. Shrink it back down to just one or two rows and it
    won't use much screen space at all.

    >Besides in Windows 8 you have the option of displaying the taskbar on
    >the LHS of the screen


    As others have said, that's been there since '95.

    --

    Char Jackson

  11. #31
    Ext User(Danny D.) Guest

    Re: Is there freeware to turn OFF the sensitive TOUCHPAD when a USBmouse is connected?

    Char Jackson wrote:

    > If the taskbar takes up an objectionable amount of your screen real
    > estate,
    > you might consider a bigger monitor, or perhaps you've expanded your
    > task bar to multiple rows. Shrink it back down to just one or two rows
    > and it won't use much screen space at all.


    What I do, on Windows, is move the taskbar to the sides.

    This is to protect the vertical (up:down) real estate, which is 50 times
    more precious than side-to-side real estate on most HD screens.

    On Linux, unfortunately, it can't be done due to Gnome bugs that make
    putting the menus on the sides impossible to use once you open 7 or more
    windows.


  12. #32
    Ext User(VanguardLH) Guest

    Re: Is there freeware to turn OFF the sensitive TOUCHPAD when a USB mouse is connected?

    Danny D. wrote:

    > VanguardLH wrote:
    >
    >> Isn't there a button alongside the edge of the touchpad to physically
    >> enable/disable it? You don't identify the touchpad. Is it in a laptop?
    >> If so, which one (make and model)? Is it a standalone device?

    >
    > I don't see a manual disable button.
    >
    > It's a Dell XPS M1730.
    >
    > The darn touchpad is smack right where your hands go!
    >
    > Reviews:
    > http://www.trustedreviews.com/Dell-X..._Laptop_review
    > http://www.cnet.com/laptops/dell-xps...-32687269.html


    I went to the Dell support site but their manuals really suck to
    describe how to use their product. With the identification of the make
    and model, I found an online picture of the keyboard at:

    http://images.anandtech.com/reviews/...0-keyboard.jpg

    I don't see any disable button near the touchpad. None of the Fn key
    combos look to disable the touch pad. So Dell has not provided an
    easy-of-use feature for their touchpad.

    I can't tell from the above pic if those are 4 programmable buttons at
    the top right of the keyboard.

    http://images.anandtech.com/reviews/...30-open-on.jpg
    http://images.hardwarezone.com/uploa...4eae82cd6f.jpg

    From those pics, it doesn't look like any of the media buttons on the
    front edge will disable the touchpad.

    So it looks like Dell didn't bother providing an easy disable/enable
    button for the touchpad. Guess they didn't realize that uses of this
    product might want to use external keyboards and mice.

    So I'd focus on using Microsoft's devcon utility to disable hardware.
    This is their command-line version of Device Manager. You could create
    shortcuts (on the desktop, in the Start menu, or in a toolbar in the
    Windows taskbar) to run devcon with parameters to disable or enable a
    hardware device. No reboot should be needed to disable or enable a HID
    (human interface device).

    http://support.microsoft.com/kb/311272/fi

    Use the regular graphical Device Manager (devmgmt.msc) to select the
    device (the touchpad, in this case), right-click on it, select
    Properties, and under the Details tab find the Hardware ID of the device
    (select "Hardware ID" from the drop-down list). You use that string in
    the 'disable' and 'enable' parameters to devcon.exe. You might be able
    to get away with shortening the hardware ID to remove the REV portion.
    For example, the hardware ID might look like:

    USB\VID_06E6&PID_C200&REV_0044&MI_04

    but maybe the following would work:

    USB\VID_06E6&PID_C200

    That way, if you update the driver, your shortcut to run devcon won't be
    tied to a revision of the device. You can use the 'find' parameter to
    make sure that devcon can locate the device by the hardware ID you
    specify.

  13. #33
    Ext User(VanguardLH) Guest

    Re: Is there freeware to turn OFF the sensitive TOUCHPAD when a USB mouse is connected?

    VanguardLH wrote:

    > Danny D. wrote:
    >
    >> VanguardLH wrote:
    >>
    >>> Isn't there a button alongside the edge of the touchpad to physically
    >>> enable/disable it? You don't identify the touchpad. Is it in a laptop?
    >>> If so, which one (make and model)? Is it a standalone device?

    >>
    >> I don't see a manual disable button.
    >>
    >> It's a Dell XPS M1730.
    >>
    >> The darn touchpad is smack right where your hands go!
    >>
    >> Reviews:
    >> http://www.trustedreviews.com/Dell-X..._Laptop_review
    >> http://www.cnet.com/laptops/dell-xps...-32687269.html

    >
    > I went to the Dell support site but their manuals really suck to
    > describe how to use their product. With the identification of the make
    > and model, I found an online picture of the keyboard at:
    >
    > http://images.anandtech.com/reviews/...0-keyboard.jpg
    >
    > I don't see any disable button near the touchpad. None of the Fn key
    > combos look to disable the touch pad. So Dell has not provided an
    > easy-of-use feature for their touchpad.
    >
    > I can't tell from the above pic if those are 4 programmable buttons at
    > the top right of the keyboard.
    >
    > http://images.anandtech.com/reviews/...30-open-on.jpg
    > http://images.hardwarezone.com/uploa...4eae82cd6f.jpg
    >
    > From those pics, it doesn't look like any of the media buttons on the
    > front edge will disable the touchpad.
    >
    > So it looks like Dell didn't bother providing an easy disable/enable
    > button for the touchpad. Guess they didn't realize that uses of this
    > product might want to use external keyboards and mice.
    >
    > So I'd focus on using Microsoft's devcon utility to disable hardware.
    > This is their command-line version of Device Manager. You could create
    > shortcuts (on the desktop, in the Start menu, or in a toolbar in the
    > Windows taskbar) to run devcon with parameters to disable or enable a
    > hardware device. No reboot should be needed to disable or enable a HID
    > (human interface device).
    >
    > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/311272/fi
    >
    > Use the regular graphical Device Manager (devmgmt.msc) to select the
    > device (the touchpad, in this case), right-click on it, select
    > Properties, and under the Details tab find the Hardware ID of the device
    > (select "Hardware ID" from the drop-down list). You use that string in
    > the 'disable' and 'enable' parameters to devcon.exe. You might be able
    > to get away with shortening the hardware ID to remove the REV portion.
    > For example, the hardware ID might look like:
    >
    > USB\VID_06E6&PID_C200&REV_0044&MI_04
    >
    > but maybe the following would work:
    >
    > USB\VID_06E6&PID_C200
    >
    > That way, if you update the driver, your shortcut to run devcon won't be
    > tied to a revision of the device. You can use the 'find' parameter to
    > make sure that devcon can locate the device by the hardware ID you
    > specify.


    Oh, I see in your reply in another subthread that using the Dell drivers
    gave you a disable/enable function. So go with that. Since the disable
    is automatic when a USB HID device is attached then it's easier to use
    and you don't have to remember to click on the shortcut(s) to devcon to
    disable and later reenable the touchpad.

  14. #34
    Ext User(Ken Blake) Guest

    Re: Is there freeware to turn OFF the sensitive TOUCHPAD when a USB mouse is connected?

    On Fri, 13 Sep 2013 08:01:11 +0000 (UTC), "Danny D."
    <DannyD@is.invalid> wrote:


    > What I do, on Windows, is move the taskbar to the sides.
    >
    > This is to protect the vertical (up:down) real estate, which is 50 times
    > more precious than side-to-side real estate on most HD screens.



    Same here, and for the same reason.


  15. #35
    Ext User(J.O. Aho) Guest

    Re: Is there freeware to turn OFF the sensitive TOUCHPAD when a USBmouse is connected?

    On 13/09/13 10:01, Danny D. wrote:
    > Char Jackson wrote:
    >
    >> If the taskbar takes up an objectionable amount of your screen real
    >> estate,
    >> you might consider a bigger monitor, or perhaps you've expanded your
    >> task bar to multiple rows. Shrink it back down to just one or two rows
    >> and it won't use much screen space at all.

    >
    > What I do, on Windows, is move the taskbar to the sides.
    >
    > This is to protect the vertical (up:down) real estate, which is 50 times
    > more precious than side-to-side real estate on most HD screens.
    >
    > On Linux, unfortunately, it can't be done due to Gnome bugs that make
    > putting the menus on the sides impossible to use once you open 7 or more
    > windows.


    Of course you can do that, I have been able to do it since the mid 90's
    with no issues at all, just see to have a window manager or desktop
    environment which isn't done by people thinking a document they wrote is
    the answer to all desktop issues.

    KDE works fine having panels at the sides, if you think it's too heavy
    environment, then you can use CTWM which allows you to configure
    elements where ever you want them, these two are the extremes.


    For the OP, if he would use kcm_touchpad, he could disable the touchpad
    quite easily when ever he wants.


    --

    //Aho

  16. #36
    Ext User(Stan Brown) Guest

    Re: Is there freeware to turn OFF the sensitive TOUCHPAD when a USB mouse is connected?

    On Fri, 13 Sep 2013 07:07:46 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:
    > I went to the Dell support site but their manuals really suck to
    > describe how to use their product. ...
    > So it looks like Dell didn't bother providing an easy disable/enable
    > button for the touchpad. Guess they didn't realize that uses of this
    > product might want to use external keyboards and mice.


    I hear you brother! And if mine is representative, it's not just the
    documentation that sucks, but their keyboard design as well.

    My current Inspiron laptop (1784, if memory serves) has a key with an
    undecipherable icon between F12 and Insert. I discovered by accident
    that that turns the touchpad on and off.

    There's a battery icon on the F3 key, but I've been unable to
    discover what that does -- if it even does anything.

    There's no Pause/Break key. (This matters because Windows+Break is
    the keyboard shortcut for System properties.)

    Home, PgUp, etc aren't shown on the numeric keypad keys, so you just
    have to know which is which.

    The biggest annoyance: there's no indication at all of whether Caps
    Lock and Num Lock are on or off.

    I have a nice Logitech illuminated keyboard with none of those
    deficiencies, and when I'm at my desk that's what I use.


    --
    Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
    http://OakRoadSystems.com
    Shikata ga nai...

  17. #37
    Ext User(Art Todesco) Guest

    Re: Is there freeware to turn OFF the sensitive TOUCHPAD when a USBmouse is connected?

    On 9/12/2013 8:46 PM, Danny D. wrote:
    > Art Todesco wrote:
    >
    >> They both use a proprietary control key that must be held while hitting
    >> a number key or a function key.

    >
    > I don't know if that control sequence exists for my Dell XPS M1730
    > laptop, but, luckily, I don't need the control sequence because it's all
    > automatic now that I loaded the (supposedly optional) driver for the
    > touchpad from Dell.
    >
    > http://www.dell.com/support/drivers/...duct/xps-m1730
    >
    > IMHO, it's a MANDATORY download, since the keyboard is essentially
    > useless with the touchpad in the way, moving the cursor all over the
    > place in the middle of your sentences.
    >

    Gee, someone who knows how to type! Yeah, I have the same problem with
    my little Dell. When we travel in the motorhome, we take it, but have a
    cordless mouse that goes along too, and we disable the touchpad. But,
    if I'm using it sans rodentia, and have to type a lot, I will disable
    the touchpad. BTW, the control sequence doesn't really involve the
    regular cntl key, but a special key labelled Fn that is on both the Dell
    and Gateway.

  18. #38
    Ext User(Ken Blake) Guest

    Re: Is there freeware to turn OFF the sensitive TOUCHPAD when a USB mouse is connected?

    On Sat, 14 Sep 2013 05:44:12 -0400, Stan Brown
    <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote:

    > I hear you brother! And if mine is representative, it's not just the
    > documentation that sucks, but their keyboard design as well.
    >
    > My current Inspiron laptop (1784, if memory serves) has a key with an
    > undecipherable icon between F12 and Insert. I discovered by accident
    > that that turns the touchpad on and off.
    >
    > There's a battery icon on the F3 key, but I've been unable to
    > discover what that does -- if it even does anything.
    >
    > There's no Pause/Break key. (This matters because Windows+Break is
    > the keyboard shortcut for System properties.)



    Interestingly, the keyboard on my wife's new Dell *Desktop* doesn't
    have a Pause|Break key either. I wonder why they decided to omit it..

    Yes, Windows key + that key gets you to System Properties, but as far
    as I'm concerned, since there are other ways to get there and most of
    us don't need to get there very often, it doesn't matter a whole lot.
    If it mattered to my wife (who has probably never touched that key in
    the several years she's had her own computer), I could easily replace
    that keyboard with any of several others I have here.


  19. #39
    Ext User(Bob I) Guest

    Re: Is there freeware to turn OFF the sensitive TOUCHPAD when a USBmouse is connected?


    > On Sat, 14 Sep 2013 05:44:12 -0400, Stan Brown
    > <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote:
    >
    >> I hear you brother! And if mine is representative, it's not just the
    >> documentation that sucks, but their keyboard design as well.
    >>
    >> My current Inspiron laptop (1784, if memory serves) has a key with an
    >> undecipherable icon between F12 and Insert. I discovered by accident
    >> that that turns the touchpad on and off.


    Looks like a - with a triangle above it?
    Ejects optical drive.

    >>
    >> There's a battery icon on the F3 key, but I've been unable to
    >> discover what that does -- if it even does anything.
    >>


    Fn+F3 opens Battery Meter.

  20. #40
    Ext User(Henry) Guest

    Re: Is there freeware to turn OFF the sensitive TOUCHPAD when a USBmouse is connected?

    Danny D. wrote:

    > Art Todesco wrote:
    >
    >
    >>They both use a proprietary control key that must be held while hitting
    >>a number key or a function key.

    >
    >
    > I don't know if that control sequence exists for my Dell XPS M1730
    > laptop, but, luckily, I don't need the control sequence because it's all
    > automatic now that I loaded the (supposedly optional) driver for the
    > touchpad from Dell.
    >
    > http://www.dell.com/support/drivers/...duct/xps-m1730
    >
    > IMHO, it's a MANDATORY download, since the keyboard is essentially
    > useless with the touchpad in the way, moving the cursor all over the
    > place in the middle of your sentences.
    >


    I've looked for a similar driver for a Dell NC-6000 and can't find one. I
    would appreciate any help finding it because like the rest of you the
    touchpad gets in the way. Right now I have it covered with a piece of
    cardboard.

    I've looked for a key to press to turn the touchpad on and off and I've
    looked under mouse to find a turn off option and I can find neither.

    Thanks

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