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Thread: Is there freeware to turn OFF the sensitive TOUCHPAD when a USBmouse is connected?

  1. #41
    Ext User(Henry) Guest

    Re: Is there freeware to turn OFF the sensitive TOUCHPAD when a USBmouse is connected?

    Mea Culpa. I meant a Compaq NC-6000 laptop. Sorry. I really looked for a
    Compaq driver.




    Henry wrote:

    > Danny D. wrote:
    >
    >> Art Todesco wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>> They both use a proprietary control key that must be held while hitting
    >>> a number key or a function key.

    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> I don't know if that control sequence exists for my Dell XPS M1730
    >> laptop, but, luckily, I don't need the control sequence because it's
    >> all automatic now that I loaded the (supposedly optional) driver for
    >> the touchpad from Dell.
    >>
    >> http://www.dell.com/support/drivers/...duct/xps-m1730
    >>
    >> IMHO, it's a MANDATORY download, since the keyboard is essentially
    >> useless with the touchpad in the way, moving the cursor all over the
    >> place in the middle of your sentences.
    >>

    >
    > I've looked for a similar driver for a Dell NC-6000 and can't find one.
    > I would appreciate any help finding it because like the rest of you the
    > touchpad gets in the way. Right now I have it covered with a piece of
    > cardboard.
    >
    > I've looked for a key to press to turn the touchpad on and off and I've
    > looked under mouse to find a turn off option and I can find neither.
    >
    > Thanks


  2. #42
    Ext User(VanguardLH) Guest

    Re: Is there freeware to turn OFF the sensitive TOUCHPAD when a USB mouse is connected?

    Danny D. wrote:

    > IMHO, it's a MANDATORY download, since the keyboard is essentially
    > useless with the touchpad in the way, moving the cursor all over the
    > place in the middle of your sentences.


    Methinks you have sensitivity set way too high so any nearby position of
    your palm is detected as a touchpad press. I know lots of laptop users
    that can type just fine. I've known some that had sensitivity way too
    high so them naturally flexing at the wrist places their palms too close
    to the over sensitive touchpad; however, once they properly configure
    sensitivity then the problem goes away. If the touchpad is too
    sensitive for approximate position by your hands triggering touchpad
    events then it's also too sensitive for when you want to use the
    touchpad. Reduce sensitivity.

  3. #43
    Ext User(Stan Brown) Guest

    Re: Is there freeware to turn OFF the sensitive TOUCHPAD when a USB mouse is connected?

    On Sat, 14 Sep 2013 21:50:49 -0500, Bob I wrote:
    >
    > > On Sat, 14 Sep 2013 05:44:12 -0400, Stan Brown
    > > <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote:
    > >
    > >> I hear you brother! And if mine is representative, it's not just the
    > >> documentation that sucks, but their keyboard design as well.
    > >>
    > >> My current Inspiron laptop (1784, if memory serves) has a key with an
    > >> undecipherable icon between F12 and Insert. I discovered by accident
    > >> that that turns the touchpad on and off.

    >
    > Looks like a - with a triangle above it?


    No.

    > Ejects optical drive.


    I already told what it does -- you even quoted me.

    > >>
    > >> There's a battery icon on the F3 key, but I've been unable to
    > >> discover what that does -- if it even does anything.

    >
    > Fn+F3 opens Battery Meter.


    That would be logical, but it doesn't.

    --
    Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
    http://OakRoadSystems.com
    Shikata ga nai...

  4. #44
    Ext User(Paul) Guest

    Re: Is there freeware to turn OFF the sensitive TOUCHPAD when a USBmouse is connected?

    Henry wrote:

    >>
    >> I've looked for a similar driver for a Dell NC-6000 and can't find
    >> one. I would appreciate any help finding it because like the rest of
    >> you the touchpad gets in the way. Right now I have it covered with a
    >> piece of cardboard.
    >>
    >> I've looked for a key to press to turn the touchpad on and off and
    >> I've looked under mouse to find a turn off option and I can find neither.
    >>
    >> Thanks


    > Mea Culpa. I meant a Compaq NC-6000 laptop. Sorry. I really looked
    > for a Compaq driver.


    http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport...&swEnvOID=1093

    This driver is for WinXP.

    http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport...tem=ob-29679-1

    "- Fixes issue that occurred when using an
    external PS/2 mouse and selecting an
    action with mouse button 2 (MB2)."

    No mention of USB there.

    In the SynHid.inf file...

    [SynMfg]
    %USB\Vid_06CB&Pid_0001.DeviceDesc%=USB_Inst, USB\Vid_06CB&Pid_0001
    %USB\Vid_06CB&Pid_0001.DeviceDesc%=USB_Inst, USB\Vid_06CB&Pid_0002
    %USB\Vid_06CB&Pid_0001.DeviceDesc%=USB_Inst, USB\Vid_06CB&Pid_0003
    %USB\Vid_06CB&Pid_0001.DeviceDesc%=USB_Inst, USB\Vid_06CB&Pid_0006
    %USB\Vid_06CB&Pid_0001.DeviceDesc%=USB_Inst, USB\Vid_06CB&Pid_0007
    %USB\Vid_06CB&Pid_0001.DeviceDesc%=USB_Inst, USB\Vid_06CB&Pid_0008
    %USB\Vid_06CB&Pid_0002.DeviceDesc%=USB_Inst, USB\Vid_06CB&Pid_0009&MI_00
    %USB\Vid_06CB&Pid_0002.DeviceDesc%=USB_Inst, USB\Vid_06CB&Pid_0009&MI_01

    Then, looking that up here, the description looks rather generic.
    Like, a lot of devices map to the same entries. And this isn't
    a surprise, because the thing primarily starts life as a mouse
    emulation, and when this filter driver is installed, it examines
    the stream of coordinates and adds extra (virtual) features.
    And since this is a USB connected device, you would think
    adding the "USB disable" feature when a USB mouse was present,
    would make sense. Trouble is, that update is from 2005.

    http://www.linux-usb.org/usb.ids

    06cb Synaptics, Inc.
    0001 TouchPad
    0002 Integrated TouchPad

    I look at the old driver, to get some idea of the hardware identity.
    Your Touchpad is either 0001 or 0002.

    *******

    So if I randomly select the next Touchpad driver I can find...

    http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/s...tem=ob-48345-1

    The synhid.inf in there covers more devices, including 0001 and 0002.
    This is in the WinNT5 folder (there is also a WinWDF folder for Vista).
    The driver download size is roughly 3x the previous one.

    DriverVer=01/12/2007, 9.1.11.0
    %USB.SynDeviceDesc%=USB_Inst, USB\Vid_06CB&Pid_0001
    %USB.SynDeviceDesc%=USB_Inst, USB\Vid_06CB&Pid_0002
    %USB.SynDeviceDesc%=USB_cPad_Inst, USB\Vid_06CB&Pid_0003
    %USB.SynDeviceDesc%=USB_Inst, USB\Vid_06CB&Pid_0006
    %USB.SynDeviceDesc%=USB_Inst, USB\Vid_06CB&Pid_0007
    %USB.SynDeviceDesc%=USB_Inst, USB\Vid_06CB&Pid_0008
    %USB_Comp.SynDeviceDesc%=USB_Inst, USB\Vid_06CB&Pid_0009&MI_00
    %USB_Comp.SynDeviceDesc%=USB_Inst, USB\Vid_06CB&Pid_0009&MI_01

    I "look through" a driver file, using 7ZIP. It can open
    archive files, using the right-click menu in the file explorer
    in Windows. What it can't do, is look in the .cab files
    of an InstallShield, but in the case of some of the HP
    drivers, things like the .INF files are out in the open.

    http://www.7-zip.org/

    There's no way of knowing whether the "USB disconnect" feature is in
    there or not.

    The HP site offers this generic advice, and it looks like the
    mouse control panel is augmented by the Synaptics driver. There
    is a disable option in the control panel (a manual feature).
    No mention of automatic USB disable when a mouse is plugged in.
    My Acer tablet doesn't do that (touchpad still runs, when my
    USB mouse is present).

    http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/d...1002_usen#N903

    http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf-JAVA.../c03523757.jpg

    *******

    So how do you play with those safely ?

    1) You could back up all of C: and fool around safely.
    2) You could set a "Restore Point" using System Restore.
    Which for ordinary drivers, might be sufficient to remove
    the driver if something bad happens. System Restore doesn't
    handle all file types well, which is why I don't trust it
    as much as (1) as a remedy for bad drivers.
    3) Device Manager has a "roll back driver" option, which works
    to a depth of one. If a new driver turns out to be a disaster,
    that option is available to you. That option might be suitable
    for things like Promise "installer-less, INF based" driver updates.

    Option 1 is more work, but in a "take no prisoners" software
    situation, it's an option I rely on quite often. It's why
    my C: partition has been trimmed down, and the cruft put
    elsewhere. Making the time to backup C:, less than ten minutes.

    Have fun,
    Paul

  5. #45
    Ext User(Bob I) Guest

    Re: Is there freeware to turn OFF the sensitive TOUCHPAD when a USBmouse is connected?



    On 9/15/2013 6:43 AM, Stan Brown wrote:
    > On Sat, 14 Sep 2013 21:50:49 -0500, Bob I wrote:
    >>
    >>> On Sat, 14 Sep 2013 05:44:12 -0400, Stan Brown
    >>> <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> I hear you brother! And if mine is representative, it's not just the
    >>>> documentation that sucks, but their keyboard design as well.
    >>>>
    >>>> My current Inspiron laptop (1784, if memory serves) has a key with an
    >>>> undecipherable icon between F12 and Insert. I discovered by accident
    >>>> that that turns the touchpad on and off.

    >>
    >> Looks like a - with a triangle above it?

    >
    > No.
    >
    >> Ejects optical drive.

    >
    > I already told what it does -- you even quoted me.



    Found an image for a 1764 keyboard, (1784 doesn't appear to be a valid
    model for a dell) and it would appear that the indecipherable icon
    replicates the appearance of a touch pad and mouse buttons with an "X"
    in the touch pad area. So that seems logical, and is working as designed.


    >
    >>>>
    >>>> There's a battery icon on the F3 key, but I've been unable to
    >>>> discover what that does -- if it even does anything.

    >>
    >> Fn+F3 opens Battery Meter.

    >
    > That would be logical, but it doesn't.
    >


    Perhaps the Quickset drivers need updating?

    ftp://ftp.dell.com/browse_for_driver...ml#Application

  6. #46
    Ext User(Danny D.) Guest

    Re: Is there freeware to turn OFF the sensitive TOUCHPAD when a USBmouse is connected?

    VanguardLH wrote:

    > So it looks like Dell didn't bother providing an easy disable/enable
    > button for the touchpad.


    Thanks for looking. I agree with your assessment.


  7. #47
    Ext User(Mina) Guest

    Re: Is there freeware to turn OFF the sensitive TOUCHPAD when a USBmouse is connected?

    On Fri, 13 Sep 2013 20:52:04 +0200, J.O. Aho wrote:

    > KDE works fine having panels at the sides,


    Gnome does not.

    In fact, if you google for the longest known unfixed Gnome bug, you're
    likely to find the bug report for the fact that you just can't put menus
    on the sides due to the fact that the resize algorithm starts going
    haywire when you have a handful of windows (the actual number of windows
    where it goes haywire depends on the width setting of your panel).

    Basically, with Gnome, it's impossible to put the menus on the side from
    any practical perspective (it works if you never use the panel but not if
    you use it).


  8. #48
    Ext User(Danny D.) Guest

    Re: Is there freeware to turn OFF the sensitive TOUCHPAD when a USBmouse is connected?

    Art Todesco wrote:

    > Gee, someone who knows how to type!


    I took typing in high school way back when (big green heavy IBM
    Selectrics, IIRC). With the ball that bounced around. We weren't allowed
    to use the erase tape!

    So, yeah. I know where to put my fingers (many people have apparently
    never even noticed that the F and J keys have 'locator' knobs).


  9. #49
    Ext User(Danny D.) Guest

    Re: Is there freeware to turn OFF the sensitive TOUCHPAD when a USBmouse is connected?

    VanguardLH wrote:

    > I know lots of laptop users that can type just fine.


    Hmmm... I took typing and I type at something like 80 words per minute,
    so, I'm positive that I know *where* my hands go.

    Specifically, the palms are straight back, touching the front of the
    keyboard. And, guess what is exactly where the palms go? Yup. The
    touchpad.

    It's basically impossible *not* to physically touch the touchpad with
    your palms if you type properly. Proximity has nothing to do with it.


  10. #50
    Ext User(Ken Blake) Guest

    Re: Is there freeware to turn OFF the sensitive TOUCHPAD when a USB mouse is connected?

    On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 00:04:38 +0000 (UTC), "Danny D."
    <DannyD@is.invalid> wrote:


    > I took typing in high school way back when (big green heavy IBM
    > Selectrics, IIRC). With the ball that bounced around. We weren't allowed
    > to use the erase tape!



    When I went to high school (I graduated in 1955) girls took typing and
    boys didn't. It was way before the Selectric became available.


    > So, yeah. I know where to put my fingers (many people have apparently
    > never even noticed that the F and J keys have 'locator' knobs).



    I've noticed, but it's meaningless to me, Since I don't type
    correctly, there's no right place for my fingers.

    A number of years ago, I started taking PC-based typing
    self-instruction. I did OK for a while, then decided to give it up. If
    you type correctly, you can look at the page you are typing from,
    rather than at the keyboard. Since I'm not a secretary, there's no
    page I'm typing from, and looking at the keyboard isn't a problem for
    me.

    So I use all the wrong fingers, and look at the wrong place, but
    nevertheless I can type pretty fast. That's why I gave up trying to
    learn to type correctly. Correctly has no real value for me.

  11. #51
    Ext User(Pamela Rease) Guest

    Re: Is there freeware to turn OFF the sensitive TOUCHPAD when a USBmouse is connected?

    Danny D. wrote:
    > VanguardLH wrote:
    >
    >> So it looks like Dell didn't bother providing an easy disable/enable
    >> button for the touchpad.

    >
    > Thanks for looking. I agree with your assessment.
    >


    Power down the machine > remove the keyboard > detach the lead wires for
    the touchpad from the motherboard and then reboot.

  12. #52
    Ext User(VanguardLH) Guest

    Re: Is there freeware to turn OFF the sensitive TOUCHPAD when a USB mouse is connected?

    Danny D. wrote:

    > VanguardLH wrote:
    >
    >> I know lots of laptop users that can type just fine.

    >
    > Hmmm... I took typing and I type at something like 80 words per minute,
    > so, I'm positive that I know *where* my hands go.
    >
    > Specifically, the palms are straight back, touching the front of the
    > keyboard. And, guess what is exactly where the palms go? Yup. The
    > touchpad.
    >
    > It's basically impossible *not* to physically touch the touchpad with
    > your palms if you type properly. Proximity has nothing to do with it.


    Speed of typing has nothing to do with sensitivity of device. That's
    like saying your typing speed would change depending on whether the
    keycaps were black, white, grey, or some other color. Sensititivity of
    a pointing device is irrelevant of your typing speed.

    Laptop keyboards are NOT designed for fast typists, lazy typists, or
    slow typists. They are designed for hunt-and-peck typists. Considering
    the low-profile of the keys, undersizing of the keycaps, and poor
    feedback (tactile feel), they are hardly anything any world speed typist
    would consider viable for rapid typing. However, the quality of the
    keycaps isn't the issue.

    The issue is where the touchpad is placed along with the proximity of
    your palms while you type. They expect you to have the laptop's
    keyboard at the wrong height (too low -- like on your, um, lap) which
    results in a sharp angle of your wrist which would tend to raise your
    palms as you strive to reduce strain on your wrists. Laptop keyboards
    are designed for punching the keys versus tapping them.

    So you can keep sensitivty high on the touchpad and suffer errant mouse
    events from the touchpad or you can decrease sensitivty to reduce those
    proximity errors. Have you tried reducing sensitivity of the touchpad
    to see if the errors diminish or disappear? Do you really notice use of
    the touchpad is significantly altered when you reduce its sensitivity?

  13. #53
    Ext User(Tommy) Guest

    Re: Is there freeware to turn OFF the sensitive TOUCHPAD when a USB mouse is connected?

    "Ken Blake" <kblake@kb.invalid> wrote in message
    news:608f39ptukt8cb38g5lv9o11685vhs4uel@4ax.com...
    > On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 00:04:38 +0000 (UTC), "Danny D."
    > <DannyD@is.invalid> wrote:
    >


    > A number of years ago, I started taking PC-based typing
    > self-instruction. I did OK for a while, then decided to give it up. If
    > you type correctly, you can look at the page you are typing from,
    > rather than at the keyboard. Since I'm not a secretary, there's no
    > page I'm typing from, and looking at the keyboard isn't a problem for
    > me.
    >
    > So I use all the wrong fingers, and look at the wrong place, but
    > nevertheless I can type pretty fast. That's why I gave up trying to
    > learn to type correctly. Correctly has no real value for me.


    Whether you look at the keys, or not (I do occasionally after moving from
    the home keys), two exercises to help speed and accuracy ----- >

    The quick brown foxes jumped over the lazy dogs....

    and

    Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of the party.
    Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of the party is/are the
    most commonly used keys.

    I had a spare session one half-day per week in Com-college and took
    business - one of the modules was typing (hint, this was where the girls
    were). We did bookkeeping too. Ahh the joys of it
    Underwood - Royal - Remington,,, IBM came up with the first (for me)
    electric ... clickketty clack all day long..

    Cheers
    Tommy



  14. #54
    Ext User(Ken Blake) Guest

    Re: Is there freeware to turn OFF the sensitive TOUCHPAD when a USB mouse is connected?

    On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 22:37:51 +0100, "Tommy"
    <tommyleprechaun@yohoo.com> wrote:

    > "Ken Blake" <kblake@kb.invalid> wrote in message
    > news:608f39ptukt8cb38g5lv9o11685vhs4uel@4ax.com...
    > > On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 00:04:38 +0000 (UTC), "Danny D."
    > > <DannyD@is.invalid> wrote:
    > >

    >
    > > A number of years ago, I started taking PC-based typing
    > > self-instruction. I did OK for a while, then decided to give it up. If
    > > you type correctly, you can look at the page you are typing from,
    > > rather than at the keyboard. Since I'm not a secretary, there's no
    > > page I'm typing from, and looking at the keyboard isn't a problem for
    > > me.
    > >
    > > So I use all the wrong fingers, and look at the wrong place, but
    > > nevertheless I can type pretty fast. That's why I gave up trying to
    > > learn to type correctly. Correctly has no real value for me.

    >
    > Whether you look at the keys, or not (I do occasionally after moving from
    > the home keys), two exercises to help speed and accuracy ----- >



    Undoubtedly, I could study and practice and improve my speed and
    accuracy. But at this point in my life, I have no desire to do that.
    I'll remain a two-finger typist.


  15. #55
    Ext User(Gene E. Bloch) Guest

    Re: Is there freeware to turn OFF the sensitive TOUCHPAD when a USB mouse is connected?

    On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 17:08:09 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

    > On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 22:37:51 +0100, "Tommy"
    > <tommyleprechaun@yohoo.com> wrote:
    >
    >> "Ken Blake" <kblake@kb.invalid> wrote in message
    >> news:608f39ptukt8cb38g5lv9o11685vhs4uel@4ax.com...
    >>> On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 00:04:38 +0000 (UTC), "Danny D."
    >>> <DannyD@is.invalid> wrote:
    >>>

    >>
    >>> A number of years ago, I started taking PC-based typing
    >>> self-instruction. I did OK for a while, then decided to give it up. If
    >>> you type correctly, you can look at the page you are typing from,
    >>> rather than at the keyboard. Since I'm not a secretary, there's no
    >>> page I'm typing from, and looking at the keyboard isn't a problem for
    >>> me.
    >>>
    >>> So I use all the wrong fingers, and look at the wrong place, but
    >>> nevertheless I can type pretty fast. That's why I gave up trying to
    >>> learn to type correctly. Correctly has no real value for me.

    >>
    >> Whether you look at the keys, or not (I do occasionally after moving from
    >> the home keys), two exercises to help speed and accuracy ----- >

    >
    > Undoubtedly, I could study and practice and improve my speed and
    > accuracy. But at this point in my life, I have no desire to do that.
    > I'll remain a two-finger typist.


    Sometimes in traffic, I am a one-finger typist.

    --
    Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

  16. #56
    Ext User(Danny D.) Guest

    Re: Is there freeware to turn OFF the sensitive TOUCHPAD when a USBmouse is connected?

    Ken Blake wrote:

    > When I went to high school (I graduated in 1955) girls took typing and
    > boys didn't. It was way before the Selectric became available.


    Even when I took it, with those big heavy green selectrics,
    the class was mostly girls.

    That's partly why I took it!


  17. #57
    Ext User(Danny D.) Guest

    Re: Is there freeware to turn OFF the sensitive TOUCHPAD when a USBmouse is connected?

    Ken Blake wrote:

    > Correctly has no real value for me.


    I'm amazed at how much it helps me, especially when I'm
    helping my wife write something, she talks, I type, but
    I keep my eyes on her when she talks as she gets mad otherwise.

    Also, it's great for when I'm transcribing.

    And, of course, even here, where my word speed is almost
    as fast as my thoughts ...


  18. #58
    Ext User(Danny D.) Guest

    Re: Is there freeware to turn OFF the sensitive TOUCHPAD when a USBmouse is connected?

    Gene E. Bloch wrote:

    > Sometimes in traffic, I am a one-finger typist.


    For that, there's Siri!


  19. #59
    Ext User(Gene E. Bloch) Guest

    Re: Is there freeware to turn OFF the sensitive TOUCHPAD when a USB mouse is connected?

    On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 23:25:45 +0000 (UTC), Danny D. wrote:

    > Gene E. Bloch wrote:
    >
    >> Sometimes in traffic, I am a one-finger typist.

    >
    > For that, there's Siri!


    That's the voice assistant in iOS, right?

    Does she have a middle finger?

    --
    Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

  20. #60
    Ext User(Gene E. Bloch) Guest

    Re: Is there freeware to turn OFF the sensitive TOUCHPAD when a USB mouse is connected?

    On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 23:23:43 +0000 (UTC), Danny D. wrote:

    > And, of course, even here, where my word speed is almost
    > as fast as my thoughts ...


    Same here. Sadly, I'm a very slow typist.

    --
    Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

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