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  1. #21
    Ext User(Jax) Guest

    Re: how to upgrade hard disk without loosing installed software?

    Zaphod Beeblebrox <Zaphod.Arisztid.Beeblebrox@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:MPG.2caf431586be9a6998988c@news.eternal-september.org:

    > On Fri, 27 Sep 2013 09:20:58 +0100, "p-0''0-h the cat (ES)"
    > <super.pooh@furryfreeware.invalid> wrote in article
    > <npea49l5kfgub9ol9uhtq399tfkee3nd47@4ax.com>...
    >>
    >> On Fri, 27 Sep 2013 07:14:34 +0200, Poutnik <poutnik@privacy.invalid>
    >> wrote:
    >>
    >> >Prints, especially if protected against light and air, are more
    >> >durable than digital storage.

    >>
    >> That's simply not true. Digital storage offers the possibility of
    >> lasting indefinitely without loss,

    >
    > I'd be interested in hearing which digital medium you are referring to
    > that lasts indefinitely without degradation of the media or data stored
    > thereon.


    Zaphod.... digital data last for ever. You can't destroy the notion of a 1
    or 0. Think about it!

    --
    Jax

  2. #22
    Ext User(FromTheRafters) Guest

    Re: how to upgrade hard disk without loosing installed software?

    On Fri, 27 Sep 2013 19:28:31 +0100
    Jax <remove.bear.bottoms1@gmail.com> wrote:

    > Zaphod Beeblebrox <Zaphod.Arisztid.Beeblebrox@gmail.com> wrote in
    > news:MPG.2caf431586be9a6998988c@news.eternal-september.org:
    >
    > > On Fri, 27 Sep 2013 09:20:58 +0100, "p-0''0-h the cat (ES)"
    > > <super.pooh@furryfreeware.invalid> wrote in article
    > > <npea49l5kfgub9ol9uhtq399tfkee3nd47@4ax.com>...
    > >>
    > >> On Fri, 27 Sep 2013 07:14:34 +0200, Poutnik <poutnik@privacy.invalid>
    > >> wrote:
    > >>
    > >> >Prints, especially if protected against light and air, are more
    > >> >durable than digital storage.
    > >>
    > >> That's simply not true. Digital storage offers the possibility of
    > >> lasting indefinitely without loss,

    > >
    > > I'd be interested in hearing which digital medium you are referring to
    > > that lasts indefinitely without degradation of the media or data stored
    > > thereon.

    >
    > Zaphod.... digital data last for ever. You can't destroy the notion of a 1
    > or 0. Think about it!


    Do you know what a medium is in this context?

  3. #23
    Ext User(Ken Blake) Guest

    Re: how to upgrade hard disk without loosing installed software?

    On Fri, 27 Sep 2013 19:28:31 +0100, Jax
    <remove.bear.bottoms1@gmail.com> wrote:

    > Zaphod.... digital data last for ever. You can't destroy the notion of a 1
    > or 0. Think about it!



    Sorry, but that's completely wrong.


  4. #24
    Ext User(Zaphod Beeblebrox) Guest

    Re: how to upgrade hard disk without loosing installed software?

    On Fri, 27 Sep 2013 18:53:51 +0000 (UTC), "FromTheRafters"
    <erratic@nomail.afraid.org> wrote in article
    <20130927145346.2597e9f2.erratic@nomail.afraid.org >...
    >
    > On Fri, 27 Sep 2013 19:28:31 +0100
    > Jax <remove.bear.bottoms1@gmail.com> wrote:
    >
    > > Zaphod Beeblebrox <Zaphod.Arisztid.Beeblebrox@gmail.com> wrote in
    > > news:MPG.2caf431586be9a6998988c@news.eternal-september.org:
    > >
    > > > On Fri, 27 Sep 2013 09:20:58 +0100, "p-0''0-h the cat (ES)"
    > > > <super.pooh@furryfreeware.invalid> wrote in article
    > > > <npea49l5kfgub9ol9uhtq399tfkee3nd47@4ax.com>...
    > > >>
    > > >> On Fri, 27 Sep 2013 07:14:34 +0200, Poutnik <poutnik@privacy.invalid>
    > > >> wrote:
    > > >>
    > > >> >Prints, especially if protected against light and air, are more
    > > >> >durable than digital storage.
    > > >>
    > > >> That's simply not true. Digital storage offers the possibility of
    > > >> lasting indefinitely without loss,
    > > >
    > > > I'd be interested in hearing which digital medium you are referring to
    > > > that lasts indefinitely without degradation of the media or data stored
    > > > thereon.

    > >
    > > Zaphod.... digital data last for ever. You can't destroy the notion of a 1
    > > or 0. Think about it!

    >
    > Do you know what a medium is in this context?


    Apparently not.

    --
    Zaphod

    Voted "Worst Dressed Sentient Being in the Known Universe" for seven
    years in a row.

  5. #25
    Ext User(p-0''0-h the cat (ES)) Guest

    Re: how to upgrade hard disk without loosing installed software?

    On Fri, 27 Sep 2013 22:34:37 +0100, Jax <remove.bear.bottoms1@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    >FromTheRafters <erratic@nomail.afraid.org> wrote in
    >news:20130927145346.2597e9f2.erratic@nomail.afrai d.org:
    >
    >> On Fri, 27 Sep 2013 19:28:31 +0100
    >> Jax <remove.bear.bottoms1@gmail.com> wrote:
    >>
    >>> Zaphod Beeblebrox <Zaphod.Arisztid.Beeblebrox@gmail.com> wrote in
    >>> news:MPG.2caf431586be9a6998988c@news.eternal-september.org:
    >>>
    >>> > On Fri, 27 Sep 2013 09:20:58 +0100, "p-0''0-h the cat (ES)"
    >>> > <super.pooh@furryfreeware.invalid> wrote in article
    >>> > <npea49l5kfgub9ol9uhtq399tfkee3nd47@4ax.com>...
    >>> >>
    >>> >> On Fri, 27 Sep 2013 07:14:34 +0200, Poutnik <poutnik@privacy.invalid>
    >>> >> wrote:
    >>> >>
    >>> >> >Prints, especially if protected against light and air, are more
    >>> >> >durable than digital storage.
    >>> >>
    >>> >> That's simply not true. Digital storage offers the possibility of
    >>> >> lasting indefinitely without loss,
    >>> >
    >>> > I'd be interested in hearing which digital medium you are referring to
    >>> > that lasts indefinitely without degradation of the media or data stored
    >>> > thereon.
    >>>
    >>> Zaphod.... digital data last for ever. You can't destroy the notion of a 1
    >>> or 0. Think about it!

    >>
    >> Do you know what a medium is in this context?

    >
    >Rafters a medium is someone who can communicate with dead spirits. I visit
    >one a couple of time a year.


    Jax, is he an antipodean con man? Are you a closet Goonie?

    > But what has this got to do with the permanence
    >of digital data? Just asking!


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  6. #26
    Ext User(Jax) Guest

    Re: how to upgrade hard disk without loosing installed software?

    FromTheRafters <erratic@nomail.afraid.org> wrote in
    news:20130927145346.2597e9f2.erratic@nomail.afraid .org:

    > On Fri, 27 Sep 2013 19:28:31 +0100
    > Jax <remove.bear.bottoms1@gmail.com> wrote:
    >
    >> Zaphod Beeblebrox <Zaphod.Arisztid.Beeblebrox@gmail.com> wrote in
    >> news:MPG.2caf431586be9a6998988c@news.eternal-september.org:
    >>
    >> > On Fri, 27 Sep 2013 09:20:58 +0100, "p-0''0-h the cat (ES)"
    >> > <super.pooh@furryfreeware.invalid> wrote in article
    >> > <npea49l5kfgub9ol9uhtq399tfkee3nd47@4ax.com>...
    >> >>
    >> >> On Fri, 27 Sep 2013 07:14:34 +0200, Poutnik <poutnik@privacy.invalid>
    >> >> wrote:
    >> >>
    >> >> >Prints, especially if protected against light and air, are more
    >> >> >durable than digital storage.
    >> >>
    >> >> That's simply not true. Digital storage offers the possibility of
    >> >> lasting indefinitely without loss,
    >> >
    >> > I'd be interested in hearing which digital medium you are referring to
    >> > that lasts indefinitely without degradation of the media or data stored
    >> > thereon.

    >>
    >> Zaphod.... digital data last for ever. You can't destroy the notion of a 1
    >> or 0. Think about it!

    >
    > Do you know what a medium is in this context?


    Rafters a medium is someone who can communicate with dead spirits. I visit
    one a couple of time a year. But what has this got to do with the permanence
    of digital data? Just asking!

    --
    Jax

  7. #27
    Ext User(Wolf K) Guest

    Re: how to upgrade hard disk without loosing installed software?

    On 2013-09-27 2:53 PM, FromTheRafters wrote:
    > On Fri, 27 Sep 2013 19:28:31 +0100
    > Jax <remove.bear.bottoms1@gmail.com> wrote:
    >
    >> Zaphod Beeblebrox <Zaphod.Arisztid.Beeblebrox@gmail.com> wrote in
    >> news:MPG.2caf431586be9a6998988c@news.eternal-september.org:
    >>
    >>> On Fri, 27 Sep 2013 09:20:58 +0100, "p-0''0-h the cat (ES)"
    >>> <super.pooh@furryfreeware.invalid> wrote in article
    >>> <npea49l5kfgub9ol9uhtq399tfkee3nd47@4ax.com>...
    >>>>
    >>>> On Fri, 27 Sep 2013 07:14:34 +0200, Poutnik <poutnik@privacy.invalid>
    >>>> wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>> Prints, especially if protected against light and air, are more
    >>>>> durable than digital storage.
    >>>>
    >>>> That's simply not true. Digital storage offers the possibility of
    >>>> lasting indefinitely without loss,
    >>>
    >>> I'd be interested in hearing which digital medium you are referring to
    >>> that lasts indefinitely without degradation of the media or data stored
    >>> thereon.

    >>
    >> Zaphod.... digital data last for ever. You can't destroy the notion of a 1
    >> or 0. Think about it!

    >
    > Do you know what a medium is in this context?



    Sure, just let me get out the Ouija board.... ;-)

    --
    Best,
    Wolf K
    kirkwood40.blogspot.ca

  8. #28
    Ext User(FromTheRafters) Guest

    Re: how to upgrade hard disk without loosing installed software?

    On Fri, 27 Sep 2013 22:34:37 +0100
    Jax <remove.bear.bottoms1@gmail.com> wrote:

    > FromTheRafters <erratic@nomail.afraid.org> wrote in
    > news:20130927145346.2597e9f2.erratic@nomail.afraid .org:
    >
    > > On Fri, 27 Sep 2013 19:28:31 +0100
    > > Jax <remove.bear.bottoms1@gmail.com> wrote:
    > >
    > >> Zaphod Beeblebrox <Zaphod.Arisztid.Beeblebrox@gmail.com> wrote in
    > >> news:MPG.2caf431586be9a6998988c@news.eternal-september.org:
    > >>
    > >> > On Fri, 27 Sep 2013 09:20:58 +0100, "p-0''0-h the cat (ES)"
    > >> > <super.pooh@furryfreeware.invalid> wrote in article
    > >> > <npea49l5kfgub9ol9uhtq399tfkee3nd47@4ax.com>...
    > >> >>
    > >> >> On Fri, 27 Sep 2013 07:14:34 +0200, Poutnik <poutnik@privacy.invalid>
    > >> >> wrote:
    > >> >>
    > >> >> >Prints, especially if protected against light and air, are more
    > >> >> >durable than digital storage.
    > >> >>
    > >> >> That's simply not true. Digital storage offers the possibility of
    > >> >> lasting indefinitely without loss,
    > >> >
    > >> > I'd be interested in hearing which digital medium you are referring to
    > >> > that lasts indefinitely without degradation of the media or data stored
    > >> > thereon.
    > >>
    > >> Zaphod.... digital data last for ever. You can't destroy the notion of a 1
    > >> or 0. Think about it!

    > >
    > > Do you know what a medium is in this context?

    >
    > Rafters a medium is someone who can communicate with dead spirits. I visit
    > one a couple of time a year. But what has this got to do with the permanence
    > of digital data? Just asking!


    Do you know what 'in this context' means?

  9. #29
    Ext User(John Williamson) Guest

    Re: how to upgrade hard disk without loosing installed software?

    Wolf K wrote:
    > On 2013-09-27 2:33 AM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
    >> In message <b56a49tbehubuofo5va3li2hqatmgdnt2n@4ax.com>, Char Jackson
    >> <none@none.invalid> writes:
    >>> On Fri, 27 Sep 2013 07:14:34 +0200, Poutnik <poutnik@privacy.invalid>
    >>> wrote:

    >> []
    >>>> Prints, especially if protected against light and air,
    >>>> are more durable than digital storage.
    >>>
    >>> That *greatly* depends on the paper, the ink, and the storage
    >>> conditions,
    >>> among other things. I'll put my money on digital storage.
    >>>

    >> There's also the matter of restoration: I don't think you are ever going
    >> to be able to scan a print to retrieve the original image to the same
    >> resolution (and probably colour space distortions too, and depth
    >> distortions/losses [the ability to adjust the brightness/contrast to see
    >> details in shadows, highlights, and areas of strong colour]).
    >>
    >> The longevity of digital storage is a good subject for discussion, but
    >> I'd never put a print - of an image, anyway - above it for the above
    >> reasons.

    >
    > Look for information on the physical durability of magnetic media and
    > optical disks. Horrifying. Solid state memory is even worse, because it
    > loses life every time you overwrite data in it.
    >
    > When inkjet printing first became available to ordinary folk like you
    > and me, several independent labs ran tests. They discovered that inkjet
    > prints can be much more durable than photographs. There's a reason the
    > printer mfrs specify their own paper and inks for best results. Also, a
    > side effect of inkjet printing has been the production of pH neutral
    > papers. Most are made so by buffering, which will change the dyes over
    > time, sometimes in days (as I have discovered). But on archival papers,
    > which are truly neutral, inkjet images will outlast photo-prints. BTW,
    > the most durable photographic medium is Kodachrome. Too bad it's no
    > longer made.
    >

    Only if you want colour prints. Otherwise, a good quality black and
    white print on good quality paper is provably capable of lasting over a
    Century. Use silver bromide or chloride in real gelatine on a glass
    base, developed and printed right and the negative can provably last
    from the late 1850s to the present day. In the UK, Fox Talbot's first
    negative (dating from 1835) still exists. For a positive image made from
    it go to:-

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...abbey_1835.jpg


    --
    Tciao for Now!

    John.

  10. #30
    Ext User(Gene E. Bloch) Guest

    Re: how to upgrade hard disk without loosing installed software?

    On Fri, 27 Sep 2013 22:34:37 +0100, Jax wrote:

    > FromTheRafters <erratic@nomail.afraid.org> wrote in
    > news:20130927145346.2597e9f2.erratic@nomail.afraid .org:
    >
    >> On Fri, 27 Sep 2013 19:28:31 +0100
    >> Jax <remove.bear.bottoms1@gmail.com> wrote:
    >>
    >>> Zaphod Beeblebrox <Zaphod.Arisztid.Beeblebrox@gmail.com> wrote in
    >>> news:MPG.2caf431586be9a6998988c@news.eternal-september.org:
    >>>
    >>> > On Fri, 27 Sep 2013 09:20:58 +0100, "p-0''0-h the cat (ES)"
    >>> > <super.pooh@furryfreeware.invalid> wrote in article
    >>> > <npea49l5kfgub9ol9uhtq399tfkee3nd47@4ax.com>...
    >>> >>
    >>> >> On Fri, 27 Sep 2013 07:14:34 +0200, Poutnik <poutnik@privacy.invalid>
    >>> >> wrote:
    >>> >>
    >>> >> >Prints, especially if protected against light and air, are more
    >>> >> >durable than digital storage.
    >>> >>
    >>> >> That's simply not true. Digital storage offers the possibility of
    >>> >> lasting indefinitely without loss,
    >>> >
    >>> > I'd be interested in hearing which digital medium you are referring to
    >>> > that lasts indefinitely without degradation of the media or data stored
    >>> > thereon.
    >>>
    >>> Zaphod.... digital data last for ever. You can't destroy the notion of a 1
    >>> or 0. Think about it!

    >>
    >> Do you know what a medium is in this context?

    >
    > Rafters a medium is someone who can communicate with dead spirits. I visit
    > one a couple of time a year. But what has this got to do with the permanence
    > of digital data? Just asking!


    Perhaps he's thinking of a medium who can communicate with a dead
    medium.

    --
    Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

  11. #31
    Ext User(Jax) Guest

    Re: how to upgrade hard disk without loosing installed software?

    "Gene E. Bloch" <not-me@other.invalid> wrote in
    news:125dkjtzqq80z$.dlg@stumbler1907.invalid:

    > On Fri, 27 Sep 2013 22:34:37 +0100, Jax wrote:
    >
    >> FromTheRafters <erratic@nomail.afraid.org> wrote in
    >> news:20130927145346.2597e9f2.erratic@nomail.afraid .org:
    >>
    >>> On Fri, 27 Sep 2013 19:28:31 +0100
    >>> Jax <remove.bear.bottoms1@gmail.com> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> Zaphod Beeblebrox <Zaphod.Arisztid.Beeblebrox@gmail.com> wrote in
    >>>> news:MPG.2caf431586be9a6998988c@news.eternal-september.org:
    >>>>
    >>>> > On Fri, 27 Sep 2013 09:20:58 +0100, "p-0''0-h the cat (ES)"
    >>>> > <super.pooh@furryfreeware.invalid> wrote in article
    >>>> > <npea49l5kfgub9ol9uhtq399tfkee3nd47@4ax.com>...
    >>>> >>
    >>>> >> On Fri, 27 Sep 2013 07:14:34 +0200, Poutnik
    >>>> >> <poutnik@privacy.invalid> wrote:
    >>>> >>
    >>>> >> >Prints, especially if protected against light and air, are more
    >>>> >> >durable than digital storage.
    >>>> >>
    >>>> >> That's simply not true. Digital storage offers the possibility of
    >>>> >> lasting indefinitely without loss,
    >>>> >
    >>>> > I'd be interested in hearing which digital medium you are referring
    >>>> > to that lasts indefinitely without degradation of the media or data
    >>>> > stored thereon.
    >>>>
    >>>> Zaphod.... digital data last for ever. You can't destroy the notion
    >>>> of a 1 or 0. Think about it!
    >>>
    >>> Do you know what a medium is in this context?

    >>
    >> Rafters a medium is someone who can communicate with dead spirits. I
    >> visit one a couple of time a year. But what has this got to do with the
    >> permanence of digital data? Just asking!

    >
    > Perhaps he's thinking of a medium who can communicate with a dead
    > medium.


    Gene there's no evidence that Rafters has given it sufficient thought.

    --
    Jax

  12. #32
    Ext User(Poutnik) Guest

    Re: how to upgrade hard disk without loosing installed software?


    FromTheRafters posted Sat, 28 Sep 2013 17:26:57 +0000 (UTC)


    > On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 15:05:43 +0100


    > > >>
    > > >> Rafters a medium is someone who can communicate with dead spirits. I
    > > >> visit one a couple of time a year. But what has this got to do with the
    > > >> permanence of digital data? Just asking!
    > > >
    > > > Perhaps he's thinking of a medium who can communicate with a dead
    > > > medium.

    > >
    > > Gene there's no evidence that Rafters has given it sufficient thought.

    >
    > There was never any claim that the data itself would fade away.


    Data stand and fall with their physical representation.
    And that representation falls.

    --
    Poutnik

  13. #33
    Ext User(FromTheRafters) Guest

    Re: how to upgrade hard disk without loosing installed software?

    On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 19:31:26 +0200
    Poutnik <poutnik@privacy.invalid> wrote:

    >
    > FromTheRafters posted Sat, 28 Sep 2013 17:26:57 +0000 (UTC)
    >
    >
    > > On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 15:05:43 +0100

    >
    > > > >>
    > > > >> Rafters a medium is someone who can communicate with dead spirits. I
    > > > >> visit one a couple of time a year. But what has this got to do with the
    > > > >> permanence of digital data? Just asking!
    > > > >
    > > > > Perhaps he's thinking of a medium who can communicate with a dead
    > > > > medium.
    > > >
    > > > Gene there's no evidence that Rafters has given it sufficient thought.

    > >
    > > There was never any claim that the data itself would fade away.

    >
    > Data stand and fall with their physical representation.
    > And that representation falls.


    Exactly. The conversation was about data storage on 'storage media' not
    the ones and zeroes of data themselves being degradated. That's why I
    asked Jax about context.

  14. #34
    Ext User(FromTheRafters) Guest

    Re: how to upgrade hard disk without loosing installed software?

    On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 15:05:43 +0100
    Jax <remove.bear.bottoms1@gmail.com> wrote:

    > "Gene E. Bloch" <not-me@other.invalid> wrote in
    > news:125dkjtzqq80z$.dlg@stumbler1907.invalid:
    >
    > > On Fri, 27 Sep 2013 22:34:37 +0100, Jax wrote:
    > >
    > >> FromTheRafters <erratic@nomail.afraid.org> wrote in
    > >> news:20130927145346.2597e9f2.erratic@nomail.afraid .org:
    > >>
    > >>> On Fri, 27 Sep 2013 19:28:31 +0100
    > >>> Jax <remove.bear.bottoms1@gmail.com> wrote:
    > >>>
    > >>>> Zaphod Beeblebrox <Zaphod.Arisztid.Beeblebrox@gmail.com> wrote in
    > >>>> news:MPG.2caf431586be9a6998988c@news.eternal-september.org:
    > >>>>
    > >>>> > On Fri, 27 Sep 2013 09:20:58 +0100, "p-0''0-h the cat (ES)"
    > >>>> > <super.pooh@furryfreeware.invalid> wrote in article
    > >>>> > <npea49l5kfgub9ol9uhtq399tfkee3nd47@4ax.com>...
    > >>>> >>
    > >>>> >> On Fri, 27 Sep 2013 07:14:34 +0200, Poutnik
    > >>>> >> <poutnik@privacy.invalid> wrote:
    > >>>> >>
    > >>>> >> >Prints, especially if protected against light and air, are more
    > >>>> >> >durable than digital storage.
    > >>>> >>
    > >>>> >> That's simply not true. Digital storage offers the possibility of
    > >>>> >> lasting indefinitely without loss,
    > >>>> >
    > >>>> > I'd be interested in hearing which digital medium you are referring
    > >>>> > to that lasts indefinitely without degradation of the media or data
    > >>>> > stored thereon.
    > >>>>
    > >>>> Zaphod.... digital data last for ever. You can't destroy the notion
    > >>>> of a 1 or 0. Think about it!
    > >>>
    > >>> Do you know what a medium is in this context?
    > >>
    > >> Rafters a medium is someone who can communicate with dead spirits. I
    > >> visit one a couple of time a year. But what has this got to do with the
    > >> permanence of digital data? Just asking!

    > >
    > > Perhaps he's thinking of a medium who can communicate with a dead
    > > medium.

    >
    > Gene there's no evidence that Rafters has given it sufficient thought.


    There was never any claim that the data itself would fade away.

  15. #35
    Ext User(Gene E. Bloch) Guest

    Re: how to upgrade hard disk without loosing installed software?

    On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 15:05:43 +0100, Jax wrote:

    > "Gene E. Bloch" <not-me@other.invalid> wrote in
    > news:125dkjtzqq80z$.dlg@stumbler1907.invalid:
    >
    >> On Fri, 27 Sep 2013 22:34:37 +0100, Jax wrote:
    >>
    >>> FromTheRafters <erratic@nomail.afraid.org> wrote in
    >>> news:20130927145346.2597e9f2.erratic@nomail.afraid .org:
    >>>
    >>>> On Fri, 27 Sep 2013 19:28:31 +0100
    >>>> Jax <remove.bear.bottoms1@gmail.com> wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>> Zaphod Beeblebrox <Zaphod.Arisztid.Beeblebrox@gmail.com> wrote in
    >>>>> news:MPG.2caf431586be9a6998988c@news.eternal-september.org:
    >>>>>
    >>>>> > On Fri, 27 Sep 2013 09:20:58 +0100, "p-0''0-h the cat (ES)"
    >>>>> > <super.pooh@furryfreeware.invalid> wrote in article
    >>>>> > <npea49l5kfgub9ol9uhtq399tfkee3nd47@4ax.com>...
    >>>>> >>
    >>>>> >> On Fri, 27 Sep 2013 07:14:34 +0200, Poutnik
    >>>>> >> <poutnik@privacy.invalid> wrote:
    >>>>> >>
    >>>>> >> >Prints, especially if protected against light and air, are more
    >>>>> >> >durable than digital storage.
    >>>>> >>
    >>>>> >> That's simply not true. Digital storage offers the possibility of
    >>>>> >> lasting indefinitely without loss,
    >>>>> >
    >>>>> > I'd be interested in hearing which digital medium you are referring
    >>>>> > to that lasts indefinitely without degradation of the media or data
    >>>>> > stored thereon.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Zaphod.... digital data last for ever. You can't destroy the notion
    >>>>> of a 1 or 0. Think about it!
    >>>>
    >>>> Do you know what a medium is in this context?
    >>>
    >>> Rafters a medium is someone who can communicate with dead spirits. I
    >>> visit one a couple of time a year. But what has this got to do with the
    >>> permanence of digital data? Just asking!

    >>
    >> Perhaps he's thinking of a medium who can communicate with a dead
    >> medium.

    >
    > Gene there's no evidence that Rafters has given it sufficient thought.


    Shall I explain my pun?

    I'd prefer not to.

    --
    Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

  16. #36
    Ext User(FromTheRafters) Guest

    Re: how to upgrade hard disk without loosing installed software?

    On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 18:55:47 -0700
    "Gene E. Bloch" <not-me@other.invalid> wrote:

    > On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 15:05:43 +0100, Jax wrote:
    >
    > > "Gene E. Bloch" <not-me@other.invalid> wrote in
    > > news:125dkjtzqq80z$.dlg@stumbler1907.invalid:
    > >
    > >> On Fri, 27 Sep 2013 22:34:37 +0100, Jax wrote:
    > >>
    > >>> FromTheRafters <erratic@nomail.afraid.org> wrote in
    > >>> news:20130927145346.2597e9f2.erratic@nomail.afraid .org:
    > >>>
    > >>>> On Fri, 27 Sep 2013 19:28:31 +0100
    > >>>> Jax <remove.bear.bottoms1@gmail.com> wrote:
    > >>>>
    > >>>>> Zaphod Beeblebrox <Zaphod.Arisztid.Beeblebrox@gmail.com> wrote in
    > >>>>> news:MPG.2caf431586be9a6998988c@news.eternal-september.org:
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>> > On Fri, 27 Sep 2013 09:20:58 +0100, "p-0''0-h the cat (ES)"
    > >>>>> > <super.pooh@furryfreeware.invalid> wrote in article
    > >>>>> > <npea49l5kfgub9ol9uhtq399tfkee3nd47@4ax.com>...
    > >>>>> >>
    > >>>>> >> On Fri, 27 Sep 2013 07:14:34 +0200, Poutnik
    > >>>>> >> <poutnik@privacy.invalid> wrote:
    > >>>>> >>
    > >>>>> >> >Prints, especially if protected against light and air, are more
    > >>>>> >> >durable than digital storage.
    > >>>>> >>
    > >>>>> >> That's simply not true. Digital storage offers the possibility of
    > >>>>> >> lasting indefinitely without loss,
    > >>>>> >
    > >>>>> > I'd be interested in hearing which digital medium you are referring
    > >>>>> > to that lasts indefinitely without degradation of the media or data
    > >>>>> > stored thereon.
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>> Zaphod.... digital data last for ever. You can't destroy the notion
    > >>>>> of a 1 or 0. Think about it!
    > >>>>
    > >>>> Do you know what a medium is in this context?
    > >>>
    > >>> Rafters a medium is someone who can communicate with dead spirits. I
    > >>> visit one a couple of time a year. But what has this got to do with the
    > >>> permanence of digital data? Just asking!
    > >>
    > >> Perhaps he's thinking of a medium who can communicate with a dead
    > >> medium.

    > >
    > > Gene there's no evidence that Rafters has given it sufficient thought.

    >
    > Shall I explain my pun?
    >
    > I'd prefer not to.


    There's no need, unless you want Jax to understand. Are mediums rare
    around your neck of the woods?

  17. #37
    Ext User(Char Jackson) Guest

    Re: how to upgrade hard disk without loosing installed software?

    On Fri, 27 Sep 2013 07:52:54 -0700, Ken Blake <kblake@kb.invalid> wrote:

    >On Thu, 26 Sep 2013 21:25:09 -0500, Char Jackson <none@none.invalid>
    >wrote:
    >
    >
    >> I agree that important data should be backed up, but I don't necessarily
    >> share the recommendation to use an external drive. They can be pretty
    >> inconvenient.

    >
    >
    >Inconvenient? Perhaps.
    >
    >But far safer than an internal one. I don't recommend backup to a
    >second non-removable hard drive because it leaves you susceptible to
    >simultaneous loss of the original and backup to many of the most
    >common dangers: severe power glitches, nearby lightning strikes, virus
    >attacks, even theft of the computer.


    I could be wrong, but I think you're describing a scenario where the person
    is backing up to a second internal drive *on the same system*. I agree, that
    doesn't offer a whole lot of protection and isn't something I generally
    advocate. Personally, I make backups to internal drives on other (networked)
    systems, both within my home and sometimes located in someone else's home.
    No external drives for me, thank you very much.

    --

    Char Jackson

  18. #38
    Ext User(Ken Blake) Guest

    Re: how to upgrade hard disk without loosing installed software?

    On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 11:20:39 -0500, Char Jackson <none@none.invalid>
    wrote:

    > On Fri, 27 Sep 2013 07:52:54 -0700, Ken Blake <kblake@kb.invalid> wrote:
    >
    > >On Thu, 26 Sep 2013 21:25:09 -0500, Char Jackson <none@none.invalid>
    > >wrote:
    > >
    > >
    > >> I agree that important data should be backed up, but I don't necessarily
    > >> share the recommendation to use an external drive. They can be pretty
    > >> inconvenient.

    > >
    > >
    > >Inconvenient? Perhaps.
    > >
    > >But far safer than an internal one. I don't recommend backup to a
    > >second non-removable hard drive because it leaves you susceptible to
    > >simultaneous loss of the original and backup to many of the most
    > >common dangers: severe power glitches, nearby lightning strikes, virus
    > >attacks, even theft of the computer.

    >
    > I could be wrong, but I think you're describing a scenario where the person
    > is backing up to a second internal drive *on the same system*.



    Yes, you're right.


    > I agree, that
    > doesn't offer a whole lot of protection and isn't something I generally
    > advocate. Personally, I make backups to internal drives on other (networked)
    > systems, both within my home and sometimes located in someone else's home.
    > No external drives for me, thank you very much.



    Your choice, of course, but as far as I'm concerned, an external drive
    is safer (at least safer than a networked computer in your own home).
    You are still exposed to simultaneous loss of the original and backup
    to severe power glitches, nearby lightning strikes, and burglars.

    What you do is certainly safer than an external drive on your own
    computer, but not as safe as an external drive kept in a bank vault.


  19. #39
    Ext User(Char Jackson) Guest

    Re: how to upgrade hard disk without loosing installed software?

    On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 10:25:38 -0700, Ken Blake <kblake@kb.invalid> wrote:

    >On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 11:20:39 -0500, Char Jackson <none@none.invalid>
    >wrote:
    >
    >> On Fri, 27 Sep 2013 07:52:54 -0700, Ken Blake <kblake@kb.invalid> wrote:
    >>
    >> >On Thu, 26 Sep 2013 21:25:09 -0500, Char Jackson <none@none.invalid>
    >> >wrote:
    >> >
    >> >
    >> >> I agree that important data should be backed up, but I don't necessarily
    >> >> share the recommendation to use an external drive. They can be pretty
    >> >> inconvenient.
    >> >
    >> >
    >> >Inconvenient? Perhaps.
    >> >
    >> >But far safer than an internal one. I don't recommend backup to a
    >> >second non-removable hard drive because it leaves you susceptible to
    >> >simultaneous loss of the original and backup to many of the most
    >> >common dangers: severe power glitches, nearby lightning strikes, virus
    >> >attacks, even theft of the computer.

    >>
    >> I could be wrong, but I think you're describing a scenario where the person
    >> is backing up to a second internal drive *on the same system*.

    >
    >
    >Yes, you're right.
    >
    >
    >> I agree, that
    >> doesn't offer a whole lot of protection and isn't something I generally
    >> advocate. Personally, I make backups to internal drives on other (networked)
    >> systems, both within my home and sometimes located in someone else's home.
    >> No external drives for me, thank you very much.

    >
    >
    >Your choice, of course, but as far as I'm concerned, an external drive
    >is safer (at least safer than a networked computer in your own home).
    >You are still exposed to simultaneous loss of the original and backup
    >to severe power glitches, nearby lightning strikes, and burglars.


    As far as I'm concerned, I like my way MUCH better than your way. An
    external drive that stays connected (for convenience) is susceptible to all
    of your perceived risks, while an external that's disconnected is much less
    likely to be used, and is still susceptible to loss and theft. Not a great
    idea, IMHO. I can do backups whenever I want to, and I'm not susceptible to
    any of your risks.

    >What you do is certainly safer than an external drive on your own
    >computer, but not as safe as an external drive kept in a bank vault.


    I'm sorry, but that's just crazy. I can't back up to a drive kept in a bank
    vault. We're still talking about backups, right? I don't have access to a
    bank vault, and I don't know anyone who does. I think we've had this
    conversation before.

    --

    Char Jackson

  20. #40
    Ext User(Poutnik) Guest

    Re: how to upgrade hard disk without loosing installed software?


    Poutnik posted Mon, 30 Sep 2013 07:15:25 +0200

    > Char Jackson posted Sun, 29 Sep 2013 22:12:37 -0500


    .........
    > > An external drive that stays connected (for convenience) is susceptible
    > > to all of your perceived risks.
    > > ..................
    > > I can do backups whenever I want to, and I'm
    > > not susceptible to any of your risks.

    ........

    BTW, reading this together is rather funny.

    --
    Poutnik

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