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  1. #1
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    Using a DELL 2600 PowerEdge as a Desktop PC

    I picked up a DELL PowerEdge 2600.

    The system has a 3+Ghz CPU, 4gb of ram, and four SCSI drives.

    http://s290.photobucket.com/user/Sta...ml?sort=3&o=69

    I want to use it to store data and do basic things like play Mp3s and DVDs,as well as connect my scanner to it and just use it as an internet pc.

    So Iíll need to add an audio card. (And possibly a graphics card if needed). Iíd also want to replace the tape back-up unit with a DVD drive. (Andput my multi-card reader in the floppy bay if that is possible).

    http://s290.photobucket.com/user/Sta...ml?sort=3&o=73

    http://s290.photobucket.com/user/Sta...ml?sort=3&o=72

    http://s290.photobucket.com/user/Sta...ml?sort=3&o=71

    I want to clean the system and install Windows XP. Any ideas on the best way to approach this and any hardware recommendations would be greatly appreciated.

    As for my first boot attempt I got as far as this screen: http://s290.photobucket.com/user/Sta...ml?sort=3&o=70

    And then an orange light began blinking on the front of the case.

    On the next boot up I made it as for as the password screen: http://s290.photobucket.com/user/Sta...ml?sort=3&o=68

    But I still get the blinking orange light. (Perhaps I didnít re-seat all of the drives properly?).

    Thanks.

    Darren Harris
    Staten Island, New York.

  2. #2
    Ext User(Paul) Guest

    Re: Using a DELL 2600 PowerEdge as a Desktop PC

    jamesjaddah1755@gmail.com wrote:
    > I picked up a DELL PowerEdge 2600.
    >
    > The system has a 3+Ghz CPU, 4gb of ram, and four SCSI drives.
    >
    > http://s290.photobucket.com/user/Sta...ml?sort=3&o=69
    >
    > I want to use it to store data and do basic things like play Mp3s and DVDs, as well as connect my scanner to it and just use it as an internet pc.
    >
    > So Iíll need to add an audio card. (And possibly a graphics card if needed). Iíd also want to replace the tape back-up unit with a DVD drive. (And put my multi-card reader in the floppy bay if that is possible).
    >
    > http://s290.photobucket.com/user/Sta...ml?sort=3&o=73
    >
    > http://s290.photobucket.com/user/Sta...ml?sort=3&o=72
    >
    > http://s290.photobucket.com/user/Sta...ml?sort=3&o=71
    >
    > I want to clean the system and install Windows XP. Any ideas on the best way to approach this and any hardware recommendations would be greatly appreciated.
    >
    > As for my first boot attempt I got as far as this screen: http://s290.photobucket.com/user/Sta...ml?sort=3&o=70
    >
    > And then an orange light began blinking on the front of the case.
    >
    > On the next boot up I made it as for as the password screen: http://s290.photobucket.com/user/Sta...ml?sort=3&o=68
    >
    > But I still get the blinking orange light. (Perhaps I didnít re-seat all of the drives properly?).
    >
    > Thanks.
    >
    > Darren Harris
    > Staten Island, New York.


    There is at least one "diagnostic" package on this site,
    that is "OS independent". You could try that if you're
    bored. DELL_32-BIT-DIAGNOSTICS_5114-2_R206154.exe is for
    Windows. EL5114A0.bin is for Linux. You use the download
    on a working system, to create bootable media. The wording
    of the package, doesn't suggest the diagnostic is custom
    made for the 2600, but I could be wrong.

    http://ftp.dell.com/Pages/Drivers/po...e-xeo2600.html

    The video driver listed is ATI RAGE XL. I think that
    means the video chip is on the motherboard, and not
    a removable card.

    The slot mix shows mostly 64 bit 3.3V PCI slots. And
    while video cards were made for that, they're not
    "gamer cards". I think Matrox used to make cards
    suitable for that slot, probably in the $500 region.
    And the reason is, the slot is so obscure. So if
    you wanted to do a video upgrade, unless I'm missing
    a slot, the pickings are going to be relatively
    crappy (at least, for video playback acceleration).
    There is a 5V 33Mhz 32 bit slot (desktop compatible),
    but then that's no better than all the PCI slots you had
    on your other hardware. You can get PCI cards for that,
    brand new. We've probably discussed the bandwidth limitations
    with such solutions. My FX5200 PCI would fit in that
    slot. The keying might prevent my video card from fitting
    in the 3.3V longer slots.

    At least, with a 3GHz processor, you might be able to
    do some decoding in software, and have enough horsepower.

    So go prepare your "diagnostic CD" and see what it can
    diagnose. Try booting with that.

    *******

    Some specs for the 2600.

    https://cs.uwaterloo.ca/~brecht/serv...G/5j718aa0.htm

    *******

    System service manual. Page 15 shows system board LEDs
    and what they mean. Page 8 has front panel LEDs in a
    table near the top of the page. The page 8 info is
    delightfully devoid of details. The LEDs indicate
    a "problem".

    ftp://ftp.dell.com/Manuals/all-produ...nual_en-us.pdf

    Paul

  3. #3
    Ext User() Guest

    Re: Using a DELL 2600 PowerEdge as a Desktop PC

    On Tuesday, September 17, 2013 8:57:35 PM UTC-4, Paul wrote:
    > jamesjaddah1755@gmail.com wrote:
    >
    > > I picked up a DELL PowerEdge 2600.

    >
    > >

    >
    > > The system has a 3+Ghz CPU, 4gb of ram, and four SCSI drives.

    >
    > >

    >
    > > http://s290.photobucket.com/user/Sta...ml?sort=3&o=69

    >
    > >

    >
    > > I want to use it to store data and do basic things like play Mp3s and DVDs, as well as connect my scanner to it and just use it as an internet pc.

    >
    > >

    >
    > > So Iíll need to add an audio card. (And possibly a graphics card if needed). Iíd also want to replace the tape back-up unit with a DVD drive. (And put my multi-card reader in the floppy bay if that is possible).

    >
    > >

    >
    > > http://s290.photobucket.com/user/Sta...ml?sort=3&o=73

    >
    > >

    >
    > > http://s290.photobucket.com/user/Sta...ml?sort=3&o=72

    >
    > >

    >
    > > http://s290.photobucket.com/user/Sta...ml?sort=3&o=71

    >
    > >

    >
    > > I want to clean the system and install Windows XP. Any ideas on the best way to approach this and any hardware recommendations would be greatly appreciated.

    >
    > >

    >
    > > As for my first boot attempt I got as far as this screen: http://s290.photobucket.com/user/Sta...ml?sort=3&o=70

    >
    > >

    >
    > > And then an orange light began blinking on the front of the case.

    >
    > >

    >
    > > On the next boot up I made it as for as the password screen: http://s290.photobucket.com/user/Sta...ml?sort=3&o=68

    >
    > >

    >
    > > But I still get the blinking orange light. (Perhaps I didnít re-seat all of the drives properly?).

    >
    > >

    >
    > > Thanks.

    >
    > >

    >
    > > Darren Harris

    >
    > > Staten Island, New York.

    >
    >
    >
    > There is at least one "diagnostic" package on this site,
    >
    > that is "OS independent". You could try that if you're
    >
    > bored. DELL_32-BIT-DIAGNOSTICS_5114-2_R206154.exe is for
    >
    > Windows. EL5114A0.bin is for Linux. You use the download
    >
    > on a working system, to create bootable media. The wording
    >
    > of the package, doesn't suggest the diagnostic is custom
    >
    > made for the 2600, but I could be wrong.
    >
    >
    >
    > http://ftp.dell.com/Pages/Drivers/po...e-xeo2600.html
    >
    >
    >
    > The video driver listed is ATI RAGE XL. I think that
    >
    > means the video chip is on the motherboard, and not
    >
    > a removable card.
    >
    >
    >
    > The slot mix shows mostly 64 bit 3.3V PCI slots. And
    >
    > while video cards were made for that, they're not
    >
    > "gamer cards". I think Matrox used to make cards
    >
    > suitable for that slot, probably in the $500 region.
    >
    > And the reason is, the slot is so obscure. So if
    >
    > you wanted to do a video upgrade, unless I'm missing
    >
    > a slot, the pickings are going to be relatively
    >
    > crappy (at least, for video playback acceleration).
    >
    > There is a 5V 33Mhz 32 bit slot (desktop compatible),
    >
    > but then that's no better than all the PCI slots you had
    >
    > on your other hardware. You can get PCI cards for that,
    >
    > brand new. We've probably discussed the bandwidth limitations
    >
    > with such solutions. My FX5200 PCI would fit in that
    >
    > slot. The keying might prevent my video card from fitting
    >
    > in the 3.3V longer slots.
    >
    >
    >
    > At least, with a 3GHz processor, you might be able to
    >
    > do some decoding in software, and have enough horsepower.
    >
    >
    >
    > So go prepare your "diagnostic CD" and see what it can
    >
    > diagnose. Try booting with that.
    >
    >
    >
    > *******
    >
    >
    >
    > Some specs for the 2600.
    >
    >
    >
    > https://cs.uwaterloo.ca/~brecht/serv...G/5j718aa0.htm
    >
    >
    >
    > *******
    >
    >
    >
    > System service manual. Page 15 shows system board LEDs
    >
    > and what they mean. Page 8 has front panel LEDs in a
    >
    > table near the top of the page. The page 8 info is
    >
    > delightfully devoid of details. The LEDs indicate
    >
    > a "problem".
    >
    >
    >
    > ftp://ftp.dell.com/Manuals/all-produ...nual_en-us.pdf
    >
    >
    >
    > Paul


    I'm still working on installing a PDF viewer on my system so I can take a better look at the manual, but I'm stuck at go since I cannot burn a CD. Nevertheless, since I can make it as far as the password screen I first want to reformat and then install Windows XP and then see if I have any problems.

    This picture is a better view of the motherboard, which has only a single Adaptec SCSI card plugged into a PCI slot: http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/l...psb10f583c.jpg

    What I thought looked like a floppy drive says "Compact Disc", but the opening is too small to take standard compact disks so I'm not sure what it is for. ?!?

    But I want to replace the tape drive below it with a DVD player:
    http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/l...ps04b33705.jpg
    http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/l...pse4c2947a.jpg

    Also, I'm not sure what this is, but this card is located on the side of the cage that contains the four SCSI hard drives: http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/l...pse60859d4.jpg

    There of course are limited options to begin with, but it does have two USBports at the rear: http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/l...ps689bff57.jpg

    Is there a PCI card/s I can get that will allow me to run an IDE DVD playerand/or a printer and/or IDE hard drives? I'm assuming I can use them alongside of the SCSI drives. (An Adaptec SCSI card is the only thing plugged into a PCI slot).

    Thanks.

    Darren Harris
    Staten Island, New York.

  4. #4
    Ext User(Paul) Guest

    Re: Using a DELL 2600 PowerEdge as a Desktop PC

    jamesjaddah1755@gmail.com wrote:
    > On Tuesday, September 17, 2013 8:57:35 PM UTC-4, Paul wrote:
    >> jamesjaddah1755@gmail.com wrote:
    >>
    >>> I picked up a DELL PowerEdge 2600.
    >>> The system has a 3+Ghz CPU, 4gb of ram, and four SCSI drives.
    >>> http://s290.photobucket.com/user/Sta...ml?sort=3&o=69
    >>> I want to use it to store data and do basic things like play Mp3s and DVDs, as well as connect my scanner to it and just use it as an internet pc.
    >>> So Iíll need to add an audio card. (And possibly a graphics card if needed). Iíd also want to replace the tape back-up unit with a DVD drive. (And put my multi-card reader in the floppy bay if that is possible).
    >>> http://s290.photobucket.com/user/Sta...ml?sort=3&o=73
    >>> http://s290.photobucket.com/user/Sta...ml?sort=3&o=72
    >>> http://s290.photobucket.com/user/Sta...ml?sort=3&o=71
    >>> I want to clean the system and install Windows XP. Any ideas on the best way to approach this and any hardware recommendations would be greatly appreciated.
    >>> As for my first boot attempt I got as far as this screen: http://s290.photobucket.com/user/Sta...ml?sort=3&o=70
    >>> And then an orange light began blinking on the front of the case.
    >>> On the next boot up I made it as for as the password screen: http://s290.photobucket.com/user/Sta...ml?sort=3&o=68
    >>> But I still get the blinking orange light. (Perhaps I didnít re-seat all of the drives properly?).
    >>> Thanks.
    >>> Darren Harris
    >>> Staten Island, New York.

    >>
    >>

    >
    > I'm still working on installing a PDF viewer on my system so I can
    > take a better look at the manual, but I'm stuck at go since I cannot
    > burn a CD. Nevertheless, since I can make it as far as the password
    > screen I first want to reformat and then install Windows XP and then
    > see if I have any problems.
    >
    > This picture is a better view of the motherboard, which has only a
    > single Adaptec SCSI card plugged into a PCI slot:


    > http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/l...psb10f583c.jpg


    > What I thought looked like a floppy drive says "Compact Disc", but
    > the opening is too small to take standard compact disks so I'm not
    > sure what it is for. ?!?
    >
    > But I want to replace the tape drive below it with a DVD player:


    > http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/l...ps04b33705.jpg
    > http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/l...pse4c2947a.jpg
    >
    > Also, I'm not sure what this is, but this card is located on the side
    > of the cage that contains the four SCSI hard drives:


    > http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/l...pse60859d4.jpg


    > There of course are limited options to begin with, but it does have
    > two USB ports at the rear:


    > http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/l...ps689bff57.jpg
    >
    > Is there a PCI card/s I can get that will allow me to run an IDE DVD
    > player and/or a printer and/or IDE hard drives? I'm assuming I can use
    > them along side of the SCSI drives. (An Adaptec SCSI card is the only
    > thing plugged into a PCI slot).
    >
    > Thanks.
    >
    > Darren Harris
    > Staten Island, New York.


    Another manual you can look at.

    http://support.dell.com/support/syst...ve.htm#1101823

    *******

    The unknown thing is a "SCSI backplane daughtercard" with
    a Qlogic controller.

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/DELL-POWERED...-/251248248005

    Apparently, if you look, you'll see SCA bays for SCSI drives
    with SCA connectors on them. Could be 80 pin (while your daughtercard
    seems to have a 60 pin on it). Sun Microsystems used that sort of thing (SCA 80),
    and there was some sort of lever-action, to ease the drive into the bay,
    and mate the SCA connector on the drive, with the backplane. The daughtercard,
    is for adapting the backplane, to something on the motherboard. Exactly what,
    I don't know. Is a SCSI controller involved ? That's probably what is
    plugged into your 64/66 slot. Is a RAID controller involved ?
    If we knew what the Qlogic chip did, we might get an answer.

    Your machine doesn't appear to have IDE or SATA connectors.
    I don't see a floppy connector.

    To install WinXP, you'll need a driver for the SCSI disk drive.
    You press F6 and offer drivers on a floppy diskette (TXTSETUP.oem type).

    An alternative, is to slipstream the appropriate driver, into a
    new installer CD. You take your original WinXP CD, read it into
    this program, add the appropriate driver, burn a new CD, boot
    and install with that. Then, no need to press F6, no need for
    a floppy drive.

    (See "Integrate Drivers" button here...)

    http://www.nliteos.com/guide/part1.html

    So you'd be looking for a txtsetup.oem flavor driver
    for the SCSI card on the motherboard. Something like that.

    Even if you get an IDE card, that's still going to need a
    driver. If you had a Promise ATA133 card for example, it
    would need some sort of driver. This VIA based card would
    need a driver as well (pray it is on the included CD).

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16816132012

    I don't think any PCI IDE cards are as convenient as my Jmicron chip,
    which doesn't need a driver. You'd still want to look at integrating
    a driver into a new installer CD, to avoid the need for the
    floppy.

    You can get floppy drives with a USB cable on the end, but
    I don't know if WinXP recognizes that as A:\ or not. In some
    cases, you have to convince the motherboard to disable the
    (non-existent) floppy interface on the SuperI/O chip, before
    a USB floppy is recognized as A:. (That's what I experienced here.)

    The USB floppy, I'm not sure they make controller chips any more
    for it, so they can't manufacture any new ones. If your motherboard
    doesn't pin out the floppy interface on the SuperI/O, then life is
    a bit hard.

    Paul

  5. #5
    Ext User() Guest

    Re: Using a DELL 2600 PowerEdge as a Desktop PC

    On Thursday, September 19, 2013 5:56:41 PM UTC-4, Paul wrote:
    > jamesjaddah1755@gmail.com wrote:
    >
    > > On Tuesday, September 17, 2013 8:57:35 PM UTC-4, Paul wrote:

    >
    > >> jamesjaddah1755@gmail.com wrote:

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >>> I picked up a DELL PowerEdge 2600.

    >
    > >>> The system has a 3+Ghz CPU, 4gb of ram, and four SCSI drives.

    >
    > >>> http://s290.photobucket.com/user/Sta...ml?sort=3&o=69

    >
    > >>> I want to use it to store data and do basic things like play Mp3s andDVDs, as well as connect my scanner to it and just use it as an internet pc.

    >
    > >>> So Iíll need to add an audio card. (And possibly a graphics card ifneeded). Iíd also want to replace the tape back-up unit with a DVD drive.. (And put my multi-card reader in the floppy bay if that is possible).

    >
    > >>> http://s290.photobucket.com/user/Sta...ml?sort=3&o=73

    >
    > >>> http://s290.photobucket.com/user/Sta...ml?sort=3&o=72

    >
    > >>> http://s290.photobucket.com/user/Sta...ml?sort=3&o=71

    >
    > >>> I want to clean the system and install Windows XP. Any ideas on the best way to approach this and any hardware recommendations would be greatly appreciated.

    >
    > >>> As for my first boot attempt I got as far as this screen: http://s290..photobucket.com/user/St...ml?sort=3&o=70

    >
    > >>> And then an orange light began blinking on the front of the case.

    >
    > >>> On the next boot up I made it as for as the password screen: http://s290.photobucket.com/user/Sta...ml?sort=3&o=68

    >
    > >>> But I still get the blinking orange light. (Perhaps I didnít re-seat all of the drives properly?).

    >
    > >>> Thanks.

    >
    > >>> Darren Harris

    >
    > >>> Staten Island, New York.

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >

    >
    > > I'm still working on installing a PDF viewer on my system so I can

    >
    > > take a better look at the manual, but I'm stuck at go since I cannot

    >
    > > burn a CD. Nevertheless, since I can make it as far as the password

    >
    > > screen I first want to reformat and then install Windows XP and then

    >
    > > see if I have any problems.

    >
    > >

    >
    > > This picture is a better view of the motherboard, which has only a

    >
    > > single Adaptec SCSI card plugged into a PCI slot:

    >
    >
    >
    > > http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/l...psb10f583c.jpg

    >
    >
    >
    > > What I thought looked like a floppy drive says "Compact Disc", but

    >
    > > the opening is too small to take standard compact disks so I'm not

    >
    > > sure what it is for. ?!?

    >
    > >

    >
    > > But I want to replace the tape drive below it with a DVD player:

    >
    >
    >
    > > http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/l...ps04b33705.jpg

    >
    > > http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/l...pse4c2947a.jpg

    >
    > >

    >
    > > Also, I'm not sure what this is, but this card is located on the side

    >
    > > of the cage that contains the four SCSI hard drives:

    >
    >
    >
    > > http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/l...pse60859d4.jpg

    >
    >
    >
    > > There of course are limited options to begin with, but it does have

    >
    > > two USB ports at the rear:

    >
    >
    >
    > > http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/l...ps689bff57.jpg

    >
    > >

    >
    > > Is there a PCI card/s I can get that will allow me to run an IDE DVD

    >
    > > player and/or a printer and/or IDE hard drives? I'm assuming I can use

    >
    > > them along side of the SCSI drives. (An Adaptec SCSI card is the only

    >
    > > thing plugged into a PCI slot).

    >
    > >

    >
    > > Thanks.

    >
    > >

    >
    > > Darren Harris

    >
    > > Staten Island, New York.

    >
    >
    >
    > Another manual you can look at.
    >
    >
    >
    > http://support.dell.com/support/syst...ve.htm#1101823
    >
    >
    >
    > *******
    >
    >
    >
    > The unknown thing is a "SCSI backplane daughtercard" with
    >
    > a Qlogic controller.
    >
    >
    >
    > http://www.ebay.com/itm/DELL-POWERED...-/251248248005
    >
    >
    >
    > Apparently, if you look, you'll see SCA bays for SCSI drives
    >
    > with SCA connectors on them. Could be 80 pin (while your daughtercard
    >
    > seems to have a 60 pin on it). Sun Microsystems used that sort of thing (SCA 80),
    >
    > and there was some sort of lever-action, to ease the drive into the bay,
    >
    > and mate the SCA connector on the drive, with the backplane. The daughtercard,
    >
    > is for adapting the backplane, to something on the motherboard. Exactly what,
    >
    > I don't know. Is a SCSI controller involved ? That's probably what is
    >
    > plugged into your 64/66 slot. Is a RAID controller involved ?
    >
    > If we knew what the Qlogic chip did, we might get an answer.
    >
    >
    >
    > Your machine doesn't appear to have IDE or SATA connectors.
    >
    > I don't see a floppy connector.
    >
    >
    >
    > To install WinXP, you'll need a driver for the SCSI disk drive.
    >
    > You press F6 and offer drivers on a floppy diskette (TXTSETUP.oem type).
    >
    >
    >
    > An alternative, is to slipstream the appropriate driver, into a
    >
    > new installer CD. You take your original WinXP CD, read it into
    >
    > this program, add the appropriate driver, burn a new CD, boot
    >
    > and install with that. Then, no need to press F6, no need for
    >
    > a floppy drive.
    >
    >
    >
    > (See "Integrate Drivers" button here...)
    >
    >
    >
    > http://www.nliteos.com/guide/part1.html
    >
    >
    >
    > So you'd be looking for a txtsetup.oem flavor driver
    >
    > for the SCSI card on the motherboard. Something like that.
    >
    >
    >
    > Even if you get an IDE card, that's still going to need a
    >
    > driver. If you had a Promise ATA133 card for example, it
    >
    > would need some sort of driver. This VIA based card would
    >
    > need a driver as well (pray it is on the included CD).
    >
    >
    >
    > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16816132012
    >
    >
    >
    > I don't think any PCI IDE cards are as convenient as my Jmicron chip,
    >
    > which doesn't need a driver. You'd still want to look at integrating
    >
    > a driver into a new installer CD, to avoid the need for the
    >
    > floppy.
    >
    >
    >
    > You can get floppy drives with a USB cable on the end, but
    >
    > I don't know if WinXP recognizes that as A:\ or not. In some
    >
    > cases, you have to convince the motherboard to disable the
    >
    > (non-existent) floppy interface on the SuperI/O chip, before
    >
    > a USB floppy is recognized as A:. (That's what I experienced here.)
    >
    >
    >
    > The USB floppy, I'm not sure they make controller chips any more
    >
    > for it, so they can't manufacture any new ones. If your motherboard
    >
    > doesn't pin out the floppy interface on the SuperI/O, then life is
    >
    > a bit hard.
    >
    >
    >
    > Paul


    I'm confused about everything above.

    I just want to *erase* Windows 2000 Server.

    I can't burn CDs.

    I can get as far as the password screen.(I don't have the password). So I'dhave to find out how to reformat the drive/s on boot-up.

    But I of course would need to be able to install my DVD/CD player so I can install Windows XP.

    I'm wondering if there is a PCI card available that will allow me to run anIDE hard drive. But I already have four SCSI drives in the case, so I assume they would run if the drivers weren't already installed. So if I find a way to reformat them I'd need new drivers because Windows XP doesn't support SCSI, correct?

    There is an Adaptec SCSI card plugged into a PCI slot and a cable witch runs from it to the DAT72 Tape drive: http://s290.photobucket.com/user/Sta...33705.jpg.html

    Right above that tape drive is what *looks* like a floppy, but if you look at it carefully it says "Compact Disc". CDs of course will not fit into it,so I assume that it is really a floppy drive. (?). Nevertheless, I don't need a floppy drive.

    You can see the rear connections of the Tape drive and the "Compact Disc" drives here: http://s290.photobucket.com/user/Sta...2947a.jpg.html

    The only SCSI capability I need are for the SCSI hard drives already in thecase and working.

    Thanks.

    Darren Harris
    Staten Island, New York.

  6. #6
    Ext User(Paul) Guest

    Re: Using a DELL 2600 PowerEdge as a Desktop PC

    jamesjaddah1755@gmail.com wrote:
    > On Thursday, September 19, 2013 5:56:41 PM UTC-4, Paul wrote:
    >> jamesjaddah1755@gmail.com wrote:
    >>
    >>> On Tuesday, September 17, 2013 8:57:35 PM UTC-4, Paul wrote:
    >>>> jamesjaddah1755@gmail.com wrote:
    >>>>> I picked up a DELL PowerEdge 2600.
    >>>>> The system has a 3+Ghz CPU, 4gb of ram, and four SCSI drives.
    >>>>> http://s290.photobucket.com/user/Sta...ml?sort=3&o=69
    >>>>> I want to use it to store data and do basic things like play Mp3s and DVDs, as well as connect my scanner to it and just use it as an internet pc.
    >>>>> So Iíll need to add an audio card. (And possibly a graphics card if needed). Iíd also want to replace the tape back-up unit with a DVD drive. (And put my multi-card reader in the floppy bay if that is possible).
    >>>>> http://s290.photobucket.com/user/Sta...ml?sort=3&o=73
    >>>>> http://s290.photobucket.com/user/Sta...ml?sort=3&o=72
    >>>>> http://s290.photobucket.com/user/Sta...ml?sort=3&o=71
    >>>>> I want to clean the system and install Windows XP. Any ideas on the best way to approach this and any hardware recommendations would be greatly appreciated.
    >>>>> As for my first boot attempt I got as far as this screen: http://s290.photobucket.com/user/Sta...ml?sort=3&o=70
    >>>>> And then an orange light began blinking on the front of the case.
    >>>>> On the next boot up I made it as for as the password screen: http://s290.photobucket.com/user/Sta...ml?sort=3&o=68
    >>>>> But I still get the blinking orange light. (Perhaps I didnít re-seat all of the drives properly?).
    >>>>> Thanks.
    >>>>> Darren Harris
    >>>>> Staten Island, New York.
    >>> I'm still working on installing a PDF viewer on my system so I can
    >>> take a better look at the manual, but I'm stuck at go since I cannot
    >>> burn a CD. Nevertheless, since I can make it as far as the password
    >>> screen I first want to reformat and then install Windows XP and then
    >>> see if I have any problems.
    >>> This picture is a better view of the motherboard, which has only a
    >>> single Adaptec SCSI card plugged into a PCI slot:

    >>
    >>
    >>> http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/l...psb10f583c.jpg

    >>
    >>
    >>> What I thought looked like a floppy drive says "Compact Disc", but
    >>> the opening is too small to take standard compact disks so I'm not
    >>> sure what it is for. ?!?
    >>> But I want to replace the tape drive below it with a DVD player:

    >>
    >>
    >>> http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/l...ps04b33705.jpg
    >>> http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/l...pse4c2947a.jpg
    >>> Also, I'm not sure what this is, but this card is located on the side
    >>> of the cage that contains the four SCSI hard drives:

    >>
    >>
    >>> http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/l...pse60859d4.jpg

    >>
    >>
    >>> There of course are limited options to begin with, but it does have
    >>> two USB ports at the rear:

    >>
    >>
    >>> http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/l...ps689bff57.jpg
    >>> Is there a PCI card/s I can get that will allow me to run an IDE DVD
    >>> player and/or a printer and/or IDE hard drives? I'm assuming I can use
    >>> them along side of the SCSI drives. (An Adaptec SCSI card is the only
    >>> thing plugged into a PCI slot).
    >>> Thanks.
    >>> Darren Harris
    >>> Staten Island, New York.

    >>
    >>
    >> Another manual you can look at.
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> http://support.dell.com/support/syst...ve.htm#1101823
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> *******
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> The unknown thing is a "SCSI backplane daughtercard" with
    >>
    >> a Qlogic controller.
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> http://www.ebay.com/itm/DELL-POWERED...-/251248248005
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> Apparently, if you look, you'll see SCA bays for SCSI drives
    >>
    >> with SCA connectors on them. Could be 80 pin (while your daughtercard
    >>
    >> seems to have a 60 pin on it). Sun Microsystems used that sort of thing (SCA 80),
    >>
    >> and there was some sort of lever-action, to ease the drive into the bay,
    >>
    >> and mate the SCA connector on the drive, with the backplane. The daughtercard,
    >>
    >> is for adapting the backplane, to something on the motherboard. Exactly what,
    >>
    >> I don't know. Is a SCSI controller involved ? That's probably what is
    >>
    >> plugged into your 64/66 slot. Is a RAID controller involved ?
    >>
    >> If we knew what the Qlogic chip did, we might get an answer.
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> Your machine doesn't appear to have IDE or SATA connectors.
    >>
    >> I don't see a floppy connector.
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> To install WinXP, you'll need a driver for the SCSI disk drive.
    >>
    >> You press F6 and offer drivers on a floppy diskette (TXTSETUP.oem type).
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> An alternative, is to slipstream the appropriate driver, into a
    >>
    >> new installer CD. You take your original WinXP CD, read it into
    >>
    >> this program, add the appropriate driver, burn a new CD, boot
    >>
    >> and install with that. Then, no need to press F6, no need for
    >>
    >> a floppy drive.
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> (See "Integrate Drivers" button here...)
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> http://www.nliteos.com/guide/part1.html
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> So you'd be looking for a txtsetup.oem flavor driver
    >>
    >> for the SCSI card on the motherboard. Something like that.
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> Even if you get an IDE card, that's still going to need a
    >>
    >> driver. If you had a Promise ATA133 card for example, it
    >>
    >> would need some sort of driver. This VIA based card would
    >>
    >> need a driver as well (pray it is on the included CD).
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16816132012
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> I don't think any PCI IDE cards are as convenient as my Jmicron chip,
    >>
    >> which doesn't need a driver. You'd still want to look at integrating
    >>
    >> a driver into a new installer CD, to avoid the need for the
    >>
    >> floppy.
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> You can get floppy drives with a USB cable on the end, but
    >>
    >> I don't know if WinXP recognizes that as A:\ or not. In some
    >>
    >> cases, you have to convince the motherboard to disable the
    >>
    >> (non-existent) floppy interface on the SuperI/O chip, before
    >>
    >> a USB floppy is recognized as A:. (That's what I experienced here.)
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> The USB floppy, I'm not sure they make controller chips any more
    >>
    >> for it, so they can't manufacture any new ones. If your motherboard
    >>
    >> doesn't pin out the floppy interface on the SuperI/O, then life is
    >>
    >> a bit hard.
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> Paul

    >
    > I'm confused about everything above.
    >
    > I just want to *erase* Windows 2000 Server.
    >
    > I can't burn CDs.
    >
    > I can get as far as the password screen.(I don't have the password). So I'd have to find out how to reformat the drive/s on boot-up.
    >
    > But I of course would need to be able to install my DVD/CD player so I can install Windows XP.
    >
    > I'm wondering if there is a PCI card available that will allow me to run an IDE hard drive. But I already have four SCSI drives in the case, so I assume they would run if the drivers weren't already installed. So if I find a way to reformat them I'd need new drivers because Windows XP doesn't support SCSI, correct?
    >
    > There is an Adaptec SCSI card plugged into a PCI slot and a cable witch runs from it to the DAT72 Tape drive: http://s290.photobucket.com/user/Sta...33705.jpg.html
    >
    > Right above that tape drive is what *looks* like a floppy, but if you look at it carefully it says "Compact Disc". CDs of course will not fit into it, so I assume that it is really a floppy drive. (?). Nevertheless, I don't need a floppy drive.
    >
    > You can see the rear connections of the Tape drive and the "Compact Disc" drives here: http://s290.photobucket.com/user/Sta...2947a.jpg.html
    >
    > The only SCSI capability I need are for the SCSI hard drives already in the case and working.
    >
    > Thanks.
    >
    > Darren Harris
    > Staten Island, New York.


    Instead of being confused, we could look for another solution :-)

    Have you considered resetting the password on Win2K Server ?

    Look for a password reset tool. At least, as long as the password
    you're looking at, isn't a BIOS password. If you've been in the
    BIOS setup screen, it might not be that. If you're seeing the
    logjn prompt for Win2K Server, then you need some kind of tool
    to reset the password. (Not just change the password, but make
    the password blank.)

    http://pogostick.net/~pnh/ntpasswd/

    *******

    A PCI IDE card, has a BIOS chip on it. And that allows the PCI IDE card,
    to control an IDE CDROM or DVD drive, and even, allow the booting
    of a CD or DVD with the drive. No driver is needed to kick off that
    process. Inside the PCI IDE card EEPROM, is Extended INT 0x13 BIOS
    code, and it supports reading the hard drive or optical drive.

    The other level of operation, is when an OS is actually running. The OS
    has its own drivers. The only OS I know of, that continues to use the
    BIOS driver, is DOS. Other OSes make you install a (higher performance)
    driver for the hardware in the box. That's where that floppy diskette
    based F6 driver comes in.

    So your PCI IDE card works right away. It allows a CD to be booted.
    That's how you'd install WinXP, or run a password cracker or resetter,
    or a copy of a Linux LiveCD OS.

    As for what's SCSI and what isn't, they make both SCSI optical
    drives and SCSI tape drives. I suspect the entire box is SCSI.
    The SCA 80 bays are SCSI. I see a 2x3 configuration on the front.
    Could be two SCSI bus segments, of three slots each.

    Your front view, I see a CD tray at the top. The rectangular button
    opens the CD tray. It's a low profile drive (laptop drive),
    which means the CD pushed down onto an expansion hub.
    Below it, is a... floppy drive. Below that, is a tape drive.
    [My best guesses looking at the pictures.]

    http://imageshack.us/a/img18/5067/1sid.jpg

    You're not driving a desktop here - this is a server.
    We aren't in Kansas any more, Toto. We're somewhere
    else. You don't buy a box like this, without a little
    planning ahead of time. The only thing that's surprised me
    so far, is your box boots to a password prompt. Many other
    Ebay buyers, get stuck with a non-working box that needs a
    lot of effort to even see a password prompt. (That's because
    the seller parts the thing out, and removes a critical element,
    or even, sells the OS separately.) I think you're doing damn
    good so far.

    Paul

  7. #7
    Ext User(Paul) Guest

    Re: Using a DELL 2600 PowerEdge as a Desktop PC

    jamesjaddah1755@gmail.com wrote:

    >>>> I'm stuck at go since I cannot burn a CD.


    That is a project you should work on first.

    You should have a stack of re-writable media,
    and a burner. As you can get yourself out of
    a lot of binds with burner in hand. Like the
    password reset disc. Re-writable media is
    more expensive, but you can use it more than
    once (quick erase, followed by burn).

    And for a basic burning software, you can
    use Imgburn. Just remember to turn off the
    audio prompt feature, as the first time it'll
    blow your eardrums out :-)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imgburn

    Paul


  8. #8
    Ext User() Guest

    Re: Using a DELL 2600 PowerEdge as a Desktop PC

    On Thursday, September 19, 2013 11:51:57 PM UTC-4, Paul wrote:
    > jamesjaddah1755@gmail.com wrote:
    >
    >
    >
    > >>>> I'm stuck at go since I cannot burn a CD.

    >
    >
    >
    > That is a project you should work on first.
    >
    >
    >
    > You should have a stack of re-writable media,
    >
    > and a burner. As you can get yourself out of
    >
    > a lot of binds with burner in hand. Like the
    >
    > password reset disc. Re-writable media is
    >
    > more expensive, but you can use it more than
    >
    > once (quick erase, followed by burn).
    >
    >
    >
    > And for a basic burning software, you can
    >
    > use Imgburn. Just remember to turn off the
    >
    > audio prompt feature, as the first time it'll
    >
    > blow your eardrums out :-)
    >
    >
    >
    > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imgburn
    >
    >
    >
    > Paul


    I actually have two stacks of writable disks.

    My burners haven't/can't been used because of problems with my "present working" systems. The final acting s though it is ready to die, which is why I'm trying to get this server working fast. (I think NERO came with my DVD drives).

    Ok, that is a CD player over a floppy drive. I didn't know. I had never seen a low profile CD player before.

    I hadn't though about resetting the password on the server because I didn't think I could use the system for basic stuff like surfing the internet and playing MP3s/DVDs using Windows Server 2000.

    How is this for an IDE PCI card?: http://newyork.craigslist.org/brk/sys/4002182680.html

    Thanks.

    Darren Harris
    Staten Island, New York.

  9. #9
    Ext User(Paul) Guest

    Re: Using a DELL 2600 PowerEdge as a Desktop PC

    jamesjaddah1755@gmail.com wrote:
    > On Thursday, September 19, 2013 11:51:57 PM UTC-4, Paul wrote:
    >> jamesjaddah1755@gmail.com wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>>>>> I'm stuck at go since I cannot burn a CD.

    >>
    >>
    >> That is a project you should work on first.
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> You should have a stack of re-writable media,
    >>
    >> and a burner. As you can get yourself out of
    >>
    >> a lot of binds with burner in hand. Like the
    >>
    >> password reset disc. Re-writable media is
    >>
    >> more expensive, but you can use it more than
    >>
    >> once (quick erase, followed by burn).
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> And for a basic burning software, you can
    >>
    >> use Imgburn. Just remember to turn off the
    >>
    >> audio prompt feature, as the first time it'll
    >>
    >> blow your eardrums out :-)
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imgburn
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> Paul

    >
    > I actually have two stacks of writable disks.
    >
    > My burners haven't/can't been used because of problems with my "present working" systems. The final acting s though it is ready to die, which is why I'm trying to get this server working fast. (I think NERO came with my DVD drives).
    >
    > Ok, that is a CD player over a floppy drive. I didn't know. I had never seen a low profile CD player before.
    >
    > I hadn't though about resetting the password on the server because I didn't think I could use the system for basic stuff like surfing the internet and playing MP3s/DVDs using Windows Server 2000.
    >
    > How is this for an IDE PCI card?: http://newyork.craigslist.org/brk/sys/4002182680.html
    >
    > Thanks.
    >
    > Darren Harris
    > Staten Island, New York.


    Does your Craigslist thing work with ATAPI (optical drives) ?

    With RAID controllers, you want a JBOD mode of operation
    for running individual hard drives. In a few cases, products
    only support RAID, so there would be a two disk minimum. The
    product in question is quite old, and would be fun finding
    documentation for it.

    At one time, Maxtor did a promotion, where they included
    an IDE controller card, inside the box their disk drives came
    in. I got one of these. The Ultra133 ones, as far as I know,
    do ATAPI OK. These can either be sold as Promise Ultra133,
    or sport the word "Maxtor" on the front, if they were
    from the batch of Maxtor promotional cards.

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Maxtor-Ultra...item1c339f4a51

    Promise stopped making those cards probably five years ago,
    and yet Ebay is still offering "new" ones from China. Things
    that make you go "hmmm".

    Paul


  10. #10
    Ext User(Paul) Guest

    Re: Using a DELL 2600 PowerEdge as a Desktop PC

    Paul wrote:
    > jamesjaddah1755@gmail.com wrote:


    >>
    >> I actually have two stacks of writable disks.
    >>
    >> My burners haven't/can't been used because of problems with my
    >> "present working" systems. The final acting s though it is ready to
    >> die, which is why I'm trying to get this server working fast. (I think
    >> NERO came with my DVD drives).
    >>
    >> Ok, that is a CD player over a floppy drive. I didn't know. I had
    >> never seen a low profile CD player before.
    >>
    >> I hadn't though about resetting the password on the server because I
    >> didn't think I could use the system for basic stuff like surfing the
    >> internet and playing MP3s/DVDs using Windows Server 2000.
    >>
    >> How is this for an IDE PCI card?:
    >> http://newyork.craigslist.org/brk/sys/4002182680.html
    >>
    >> Thanks.
    >>
    >> Darren Harris
    >> Staten Island, New York.

    >
    > Does your Craigslist thing work with ATAPI (optical drives) ?
    >
    > With RAID controllers, you want a JBOD mode of operation
    > for running individual hard drives. In a few cases, products
    > only support RAID, so there would be a two disk minimum. The
    > product in question is quite old, and would be fun finding
    > documentation for it.
    >
    > At one time, Maxtor did a promotion, where they included
    > an IDE controller card, inside the box their disk drives came
    > in. I got one of these. The Ultra133 ones, as far as I know,
    > do ATAPI OK. These can either be sold as Promise Ultra133,
    > or sport the word "Maxtor" on the front, if they were
    > from the batch of Maxtor promotional cards.
    >
    > http://www.ebay.com/itm/Maxtor-Ultra...item1c339f4a51
    >
    >
    > Promise stopped making those cards probably five years ago,
    > and yet Ebay is still offering "new" ones from China. Things
    > that make you go "hmmm".
    >
    > Paul
    >


    Also, I just noticed in the picture of that card, the dude broke
    the corner off one of the connectors. Priceless :-) Makes you
    wonder whether the pins are bent or not...

    Also, when you look at those cards, they're dual keyed on voltage.

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Promise-Ultr...item27c3e71e8d

    Both the 5V and 3.3V slots are present. It's just possible
    the card will work in your 64/66 slots. If you do that,
    you'd want some info on whether your machine has more
    than one bus segment, then make sure the SCSI controller
    card and that card, are on different segments. I don't know
    if you're allowed to mix 32 and 64 bit cards on the same
    segment.

    The bus segments are detailed here.

    http://en.community.dell.com/support...t/7648445.aspx

    "The PowerEdge 2600 has 7 PCI slots total

    two 64-bit/133MHz PCI-X
    four 64-bit/100MHz PCI-X
    one 32-bit/33Mhz PCI

    The two 64-bit/133Mhz PCI-X slots run on dedicated bus segments
    improving bandwidth dramatically."

    You'd want the SCSI card in one of the 64-bit/133 slots.
    Then you could stick the 3.3V Promise, into one of the 64-bit/100 slots,
    and it would run 32-bit/66Mhz (twice what it does when in a desktop).

    You're not likely to find a lot of cards to match the electrical
    characteristics of the Promise, so the other three slots on the
    four slot segment are likely to remain empty.

    There were a few products made, with virtually "anything goes"
    capability (some Adaptec cards). For most others, there
    are a whole bunch of rules to follow. And at this late date,
    digging up good info on PCI wouldn't be all that easy.

    Paul


  11. #11
    Ext User() Guest

    Re: Using a DELL 2600 PowerEdge as a Desktop PC

    On Friday, September 20, 2013 2:47:15 PM UTC-4, Paul wrote:
    > jamesjaddah1755@gmail.com wrote:
    >
    > > On Thursday, September 19, 2013 11:51:57 PM UTC-4, Paul wrote:

    >
    > >> jamesjaddah1755@gmail.com wrote:

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >>>>>> I'm stuck at go since I cannot burn a CD.

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >> That is a project you should work on first.

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >> You should have a stack of re-writable media,

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >> and a burner. As you can get yourself out of

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >> a lot of binds with burner in hand. Like the

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >> password reset disc. Re-writable media is

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >> more expensive, but you can use it more than

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >> once (quick erase, followed by burn).

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >> And for a basic burning software, you can

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >> use Imgburn. Just remember to turn off the

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >> audio prompt feature, as the first time it'll

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >> blow your eardrums out :-)

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imgburn

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >> Paul

    >
    > >

    >
    > > I actually have two stacks of writable disks.

    >
    > >

    >
    > > My burners haven't/can't been used because of problems with my "present working" systems. The final acting s though it is ready to die, which is why I'm trying to get this server working fast. (I think NERO came with my DVD drives).

    >
    > >

    >
    > > Ok, that is a CD player over a floppy drive. I didn't know. I had never seen a low profile CD player before.

    >
    > >

    >
    > > I hadn't though about resetting the password on the server because I didn't think I could use the system for basic stuff like surfing the internet and playing MP3s/DVDs using Windows Server 2000.

    >
    > >

    >
    > > How is this for an IDE PCI card?: http://newyork.craigslist.org/brk/sys/4002182680.html

    >
    > >

    >
    > > Thanks.

    >
    > >

    >
    > > Darren Harris

    >
    > > Staten Island, New York.

    >
    >
    >
    > Does your Craigslist thing work with ATAPI (optical drives) ?
    >
    >
    >
    > With RAID controllers, you want a JBOD mode of operation
    >
    > for running individual hard drives. In a few cases, products
    >
    > only support RAID, so there would be a two disk minimum. The
    >
    > product in question is quite old, and would be fun finding
    >
    > documentation for it.
    >
    >
    >
    > At one time, Maxtor did a promotion, where they included
    >
    > an IDE controller card, inside the box their disk drives came
    >
    > in. I got one of these. The Ultra133 ones, as far as I know,
    >
    > do ATAPI OK. These can either be sold as Promise Ultra133,
    >
    > or sport the word "Maxtor" on the front, if they were
    >
    > from the batch of Maxtor promotional cards.
    >
    >
    >
    > http://www.ebay.com/itm/Maxtor-Ultra...item1c339f4a51
    >
    >
    >
    > Promise stopped making those cards probably five years ago,
    >
    > and yet Ebay is still offering "new" ones from China. Things
    >
    > that make you go "hmmm".
    >
    >
    >
    > Paul


    The seller never got back to me, but I found another:
    http://newyork.craigslist.org/brk/sys/4082191520.html

    That have 8 IDE connections, but I really only need one and perhaps I should look for a card that allows for SATA drives also.

    I'm assuming getting the cards from China on Ebay would be a crap-shoot: http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_saca...E+SATA&_sop=15

    But there are other options: http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw...+SATA&_sacat=0

    Thanks.

    Darren Harris
    Staten Island, New York.

  12. #12
    Ext User(Paul) Guest

    Re: Using a DELL 2600 PowerEdge as a Desktop PC

    jamesjaddah1755@gmail.com wrote:
    > On Friday, September 20, 2013 2:47:15 PM UTC-4, Paul wrote:
    >> jamesjaddah1755@gmail.com wrote:
    >>
    >>> On Thursday, September 19, 2013 11:51:57 PM UTC-4, Paul wrote:
    >>>> jamesjaddah1755@gmail.com wrote:
    >>>>>>>> I'm stuck at go since I cannot burn a CD.
    >>>> That is a project you should work on first.
    >>>> You should have a stack of re-writable media,
    >>>> and a burner. As you can get yourself out of
    >>>> a lot of binds with burner in hand. Like the
    >>>> password reset disc. Re-writable media is
    >>>> more expensive, but you can use it more than
    >>>> once (quick erase, followed by burn).
    >>>> And for a basic burning software, you can
    >>>> use Imgburn. Just remember to turn off the
    >>>> audio prompt feature, as the first time it'll
    >>>> blow your eardrums out :-)
    >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imgburn
    >>>> Paul
    >>> I actually have two stacks of writable disks.
    >>> My burners haven't/can't been used because of problems with my "present working" systems. The final acting s though it is ready to die, which is why I'm trying to get this server working fast. (I think NERO came with my DVD drives).
    >>> Ok, that is a CD player over a floppy drive. I didn't know. I had never seen a low profile CD player before.
    >>> I hadn't though about resetting the password on the server because I didn't think I could use the system for basic stuff like surfing the internet and playing MP3s/DVDs using Windows Server 2000.
    >>> How is this for an IDE PCI card?: http://newyork.craigslist.org/brk/sys/4002182680.html
    >>> Thanks.
    >>> Darren Harris
    >>> Staten Island, New York.

    >>
    >>
    >> Does your Craigslist thing work with ATAPI (optical drives) ?
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> With RAID controllers, you want a JBOD mode of operation
    >>
    >> for running individual hard drives. In a few cases, products
    >>
    >> only support RAID, so there would be a two disk minimum. The
    >>
    >> product in question is quite old, and would be fun finding
    >>
    >> documentation for it.
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> At one time, Maxtor did a promotion, where they included
    >>
    >> an IDE controller card, inside the box their disk drives came
    >>
    >> in. I got one of these. The Ultra133 ones, as far as I know,
    >>
    >> do ATAPI OK. These can either be sold as Promise Ultra133,
    >>
    >> or sport the word "Maxtor" on the front, if they were
    >>
    >> from the batch of Maxtor promotional cards.
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Maxtor-Ultra...item1c339f4a51
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> Promise stopped making those cards probably five years ago,
    >>
    >> and yet Ebay is still offering "new" ones from China. Things
    >>
    >> that make you go "hmmm".
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> Paul

    >
    > The seller never got back to me, but I found another:
    > http://newyork.craigslist.org/brk/sys/4082191520.html
    >
    > That have 8 IDE connections, but I really only need one and perhaps I should look for a card that allows for SATA drives also.
    >
    > I'm assuming getting the cards from China on Ebay would be a crap-shoot: http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_saca...E+SATA&_sop=15
    >
    > But there are other options: http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw...+SATA&_sacat=0
    >
    > Thanks.
    >
    > Darren Harris
    > Staten Island, New York.


    At the current time, there are a fair number of
    products using VIA 6421 chips. That's two SATA ports
    and one IDE port (one ribbon cable). The SATA ports
    are SATA I rate.

    http://www.via.com.tw/en/products/pe...rial-ata_raid/

    http://www.via.com.tw/en/products/pe..._raid/vt6421a/

    A typical VT6421A card, with two internal SATA connectors, and one IDE. $15.

    http://images10.newegg.com/NeweggIma...132-012-12.jpg

    *******

    According to Larry

    http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi...egroups.com%3E

    when you buy a card like that, you want the VT6421A chip, as it's
    more likely to work with a SATA II drive. There was VT6421 and
    VT6421A and the "A" version is supposed to be fixed for SATA.

    "AFAIK, only older SiS and VIA chipsets
    (VIA VT6420, VT8237, VT8237R, VT8237R+, VT8237A)
    can't handle SATA 3Gb/s drives.

    but VT8237S and VT6421A are OK"

    I have a VT8237S here, and can vouch for it being "fixed".
    I don't own any VT6421A cards. The IDE connector will
    work in any case.

    What happens if the chip isn't a "fixed" one, is the
    SATA disk is not detected, due to speed negotiation failing to
    work. (VIA chip doesn't convince the interface to run at
    SATA I rates.) I've never seen any scope traces, to see
    what the parties on either end of the SATA cable, are
    trying to do in such a situation.

    *******

    With regard to the Escalade, where are you going to find
    help and support for this ? Even if it supports JBOD and
    single disks, it might not work with an optical drive (ATAPI).

    http://newyork.craigslist.org/brk/sys/4082191520.html

    Paul

  13. #13
    Ext User() Guest

    Re: Using a DELL 2600 PowerEdge as a Desktop PC

    On Saturday, September 21, 2013 5:03:48 PM UTC-4, Paul wrote:
    > jamesjaddah1755@gmail.com wrote:
    >
    > > On Friday, September 20, 2013 2:47:15 PM UTC-4, Paul wrote:

    >
    > >> jamesjaddah1755@gmail.com wrote:

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >>> On Thursday, September 19, 2013 11:51:57 PM UTC-4, Paul wrote:

    >
    > >>>> jamesjaddah1755@gmail.com wrote:

    >
    > >>>>>>>> I'm stuck at go since I cannot burn a CD.

    >
    > >>>> That is a project you should work on first.

    >
    > >>>> You should have a stack of re-writable media,

    >
    > >>>> and a burner. As you can get yourself out of

    >
    > >>>> a lot of binds with burner in hand. Like the

    >
    > >>>> password reset disc. Re-writable media is

    >
    > >>>> more expensive, but you can use it more than

    >
    > >>>> once (quick erase, followed by burn).

    >
    > >>>> And for a basic burning software, you can

    >
    > >>>> use Imgburn. Just remember to turn off the

    >
    > >>>> audio prompt feature, as the first time it'll

    >
    > >>>> blow your eardrums out :-)

    >
    > >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imgburn

    >
    > >>>> Paul

    >
    > >>> I actually have two stacks of writable disks.

    >
    > >>> My burners haven't/can't been used because of problems with my "present working" systems. The final acting s though it is ready to die, which is why I'm trying to get this server working fast. (I think NERO came with my DVD drives).

    >
    > >>> Ok, that is a CD player over a floppy drive. I didn't know. I had never seen a low profile CD player before.

    >
    > >>> I hadn't though about resetting the password on the server because I didn't think I could use the system for basic stuff like surfing the internet and playing MP3s/DVDs using Windows Server 2000.

    >
    > >>> How is this for an IDE PCI card?: http://newyork.craigslist.org/brk/sys/4002182680.html

    >
    > >>> Thanks.

    >
    > >>> Darren Harris

    >
    > >>> Staten Island, New York.

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >> Does your Craigslist thing work with ATAPI (optical drives) ?

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >> With RAID controllers, you want a JBOD mode of operation

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >> for running individual hard drives. In a few cases, products

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >> only support RAID, so there would be a two disk minimum. The

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >> product in question is quite old, and would be fun finding

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >> documentation for it.

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >> At one time, Maxtor did a promotion, where they included

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >> an IDE controller card, inside the box their disk drives came

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >> in. I got one of these. The Ultra133 ones, as far as I know,

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >> do ATAPI OK. These can either be sold as Promise Ultra133,

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >> or sport the word "Maxtor" on the front, if they were

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >> from the batch of Maxtor promotional cards.

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Maxtor-Ultra...item1c339f4a51

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >> Promise stopped making those cards probably five years ago,

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >> and yet Ebay is still offering "new" ones from China. Things

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >> that make you go "hmmm".

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >> Paul

    >
    > >

    >
    > > The seller never got back to me, but I found another:

    >
    > > http://newyork.craigslist.org/brk/sys/4082191520.html

    >
    > >

    >
    > > That have 8 IDE connections, but I really only need one and perhaps I should look for a card that allows for SATA drives also.

    >
    > >

    >
    > > I'm assuming getting the cards from China on Ebay would be a crap-shoot: http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_saca...E+SATA&_sop=15

    >
    > >

    >
    > > But there are other options: http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw...+SATA&_sacat=0

    >
    > >

    >
    > > Thanks.

    >
    > >

    >
    > > Darren Harris

    >
    > > Staten Island, New York.

    >
    >
    >
    > At the current time, there are a fair number of
    >
    > products using VIA 6421 chips. That's two SATA ports
    >
    > and one IDE port (one ribbon cable). The SATA ports
    >
    > are SATA I rate.
    >
    >
    >
    > http://www.via.com.tw/en/products/pe...rial-ata_raid/
    >
    >
    >
    > http://www.via.com.tw/en/products/pe..._raid/vt6421a/
    >
    >
    >
    > A typical VT6421A card, with two internal SATA connectors, and one IDE. $15.
    >
    >
    >
    > http://images10.newegg.com/NeweggIma...132-012-12.jpg
    >
    >
    >
    > *******
    >
    >
    >
    > According to Larry
    >
    >
    >
    > http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi...egroups.com%3E
    >
    >
    >
    > when you buy a card like that, you want the VT6421A chip, as it's
    >
    > more likely to work with a SATA II drive. There was VT6421 and
    >
    > VT6421A and the "A" version is supposed to be fixed for SATA.
    >
    >
    >
    > "AFAIK, only older SiS and VIA chipsets
    >
    > (VIA VT6420, VT8237, VT8237R, VT8237R+, VT8237A)
    >
    > can't handle SATA 3Gb/s drives.
    >
    >
    >
    > but VT8237S and VT6421A are OK"
    >
    >
    >
    > I have a VT8237S here, and can vouch for it being "fixed".
    >
    > I don't own any VT6421A cards. The IDE connector will
    >
    > work in any case.
    >
    >
    >
    > What happens if the chip isn't a "fixed" one, is the
    >
    > SATA disk is not detected, due to speed negotiation failing to
    >
    > work. (VIA chip doesn't convince the interface to run at
    >
    > SATA I rates.) I've never seen any scope traces, to see
    >
    > what the parties on either end of the SATA cable, are
    >
    > trying to do in such a situation.
    >
    >
    >
    > *******
    >
    >
    >
    > With regard to the Escalade, where are you going to find
    >
    > help and support for this ? Even if it supports JBOD and
    >
    > single disks, it might not work with an optical drive (ATAPI).
    >
    >
    >
    > http://newyork.craigslist.org/brk/sys/4082191520.html
    >
    >
    >
    > Paul


    Ok, these have the VT6421A chip, so one of them should work:
    www.ebay.com/itm/161064813022
    www.ebay.com/itm/170332514420
    www.ebay.com/itm/350555428799

    Thanks.

    Darren Harris
    Staten Island, New York.

  14. #14
    Ext User(Paul) Guest

    Re: Using a DELL 2600 PowerEdge as a Desktop PC

    jamesjaddah1755@gmail.com wrote:

    >
    > Ok, these have the VT6421A chip, so one of them should work:
    > www.ebay.com/itm/161064813022
    > www.ebay.com/itm/170332514420
    > www.ebay.com/itm/350555428799
    >
    > Thanks.
    >
    > Darren Harris
    > Staten Island, New York.


    Yes, these look like a good candidate for a cheap IDE.

    The keying on the card is 5V I think, so the card
    should fit in your single 33MHz, 32 bit PCI slot.

    (Second down, on the left)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:PCI_Keying.png

    Paul

  15. #15
    Ext User() Guest

    Re: Using a DELL 2600 PowerEdge as a Desktop PC

    On Sunday, September 22, 2013 9:29:26 PM UTC-4, Paul wrote:

    > Yes, these look like a good candidate for a cheap IDE.
    >
    >
    >
    > The keying on the card is 5V I think, so the card
    >
    > should fit in your single 33MHz, 32 bit PCI slot.
    >
    >
    >
    > (Second down, on the left)
    >
    >
    >
    > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:PCI_Keying.png
    >
    >
    >
    > Paul


    First, I have the face plate off of the cabinet and there is no way to turn the machine on or off outside of plugging/unplugging the AC cord. (The orange light that was blinking on the front is gone). :-)

    BTW. F2 = Setup, F10 = Utility Mode, and F12 = PXE Boot.

    Anyway, after looking in the manual I found the information concerning the jumpers for the password is confusing, so I just took both of the jumpers off. (I think that was what I'm suppoed to do).

    It seems to have no effect, because I still can only get as far as the screen where I have to enter the password.

    I then attempted to take the battery out, but I must have pulled too hard because one side of the battery holder detached from the motherboard.
    http://s290.photobucket.com/user/Sta...ml?sort=3&o=69

    My next boot attempt gave me a screen that said "No Boot Device".
    http://s290.photobucket.com/user/Sta...ml?sort=3&o=68

    So I re-booted while pushing down on the battery only to get a screen that said "Invalid Configuration".
    http://s290.photobucket.com/user/Sta...ml?sort=3&o=71

    BTW. If I can correct these problems I notice that there is an option in Setup that says "OS Install Mode". Would I need to turn that on to install a new OS?
    http://s290.photobucket.com/user/Sta...ml?sort=3&o=70

    Thanks.

    Darren Harris
    Staten Island, New York.

  16. #16
    Ext User(Paul) Guest

    Re: Using a DELL 2600 PowerEdge as a Desktop PC

    jamesjaddah1755@gmail.com wrote:
    > On Sunday, September 22, 2013 9:29:26 PM UTC-4, Paul wrote:
    >
    >> Yes, these look like a good candidate for a cheap IDE.
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> The keying on the card is 5V I think, so the card
    >>
    >> should fit in your single 33MHz, 32 bit PCI slot.
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> (Second down, on the left)
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:PCI_Keying.png
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> Paul

    >
    > First, I have the face plate off of the cabinet and there is no way to turn
    > the machine on or off outside of plugging/unplugging the AC cord. (The orange
    > light that was blinking on the front is gone). :-)


    As a general rule (haven't seen an exception yet), the power signal
    and the reset signal on the front, are momentary contact active low.
    The power pair, consists of POWER- and GND, and touching the two together
    for a moment, triggers power on. I do that on systems here, with the tip
    of a slot head screwdriver. As long as you can identify bits of exposed
    metal or pins corresponding to those two, you can turn it on.

    The RESET- and GND are similar. Touch the two together for just a moment,
    and the machine will be reset.

    In an emergency, you can even swap the POWER and RESET cable pairs, and
    use the RESET button as a POWER button. (As RESET isn't used quite as much,
    and you could live without a RESET button, using the RESET button to take
    the place of a broken POWER button.

    So you weren't as "disabled" as first appeared. Just a matter of finding
    out where the cable goes, and touching the two pins.

    To turn the power off, can require making contact between POWER- and GND
    for a period of four seconds or longer. When turning off the power,
    a timer is used, and so the momentary contact in that case must be maintained
    for a four second interval.

    >
    > BTW. F2 = Setup, F10 = Utility Mode, and F12 = PXE Boot.
    >
    > Anyway, after looking in the manual I found the information concerning the
    > jumpers for the password is confusing, so I just took both of the jumpers off.
    > (I think that was what I'm suppoed to do).


    To reset the password, you remove the jumper on PASSWD.

    To clear the NVRAM (CMOS), you insert its jumper. You only use
    the jumper long enough to clear the settings, then the jumper
    will be coming off again.

    The manual says to remove system power while fooling around
    with those. I suspect the NVRAM one is the most dangerous,
    in terms of damaging the ORing diode for 3VSB. But in any case,
    follow the instructions in the manual, when it says to remove
    system power (unplug).

    >
    > It seems to have no effect, because I still can only get as far as the screen
    > where I have to enter the password.


    Make sure you are following the procedure in the manual.

    "The existing passwords are not disabled (erased) until the
    system boots with the password jumper plug removed. However,
    before you assign a new system and/or setup password, you
    must install the jumper plug."

    The system has to see the PASSWD jumper plug removed, to disable the
    password for that cycle. It could be a write enable signal for
    an EEPROM, rather than a traditional resetting jumper for all I know.

    >
    > I then attempted to take the battery out, but I must have pulled too
    > hard because one side of the battery holder detached from the motherboard.
    > http://s290.photobucket.com/user/Sta...ml?sort=3&o=69


    You villain :-)

    Those are always tricky. And in this case, I would have
    advised against attacking it. Unless the thing is flat,
    leave it alone :-)

    >
    > My next boot attempt gave me a screen that said "No Boot Device".
    > http://s290.photobucket.com/user/Sta...ml?sort=3&o=68


    That means you've managed to "NVRAM" clear. Losing the battery
    caused the settings to be lost.

    If you wrote down all the settings, you can power up the system,
    enter the BIOS, and load all the necessary settings by hand. They
    will stay there, until the next power failure. Then you have to
    enter them again.

    As I have several systems here with flat batteries, I'm quite used
    to running systems that way (load settings, then use the computer).

    >
    > So I re-booted while pushing down on the battery only to get a screen that said "Invalid Configuration".
    > http://s290.photobucket.com/user/Sta...ml?sort=3&o=71


    It says to press F2 to enter the BIOS.

    Good luck getting the correct settings in there.
    You should really have taken digital camera photos of each setup
    screen page, for future reference. Now, you're screwed :-)
    Part of the fun is things like the SCSI setup.

    > BTW. If I can correct these problems I notice that there is an option in Setup that says "OS Install Mode". Would I need to turn that on to install a new OS?
    > http://s290.photobucket.com/user/Sta...ml?sort=3&o=70


    OS Install Mode restricts the amount of RAM the system gets to use.
    It would be for situations where an OS cannot understand large
    amounts of memory. For example, if installing Windows 98, you might
    engage that. For most other purpose, leave it off so all memory
    is always detected.

    "OS Install Mode ó Determines the maximum amount of memory available
    to the operating system. On sets the maximum memory available to the
    operating system to 256 MB. Off (default) makes all of the system
    memory available to the operating system. Some operating systems will
    not install with more than 2 GB of system memory. Turn this option On
    during operating system installation and Off after installation."

    The CMOS battery issue isn't the end of the world. What concerns
    me now, is will you ever figure out how all those BIOS settings
    should be configured ? It's a server, and should be a real challenge.

    HTH,
    Paul

  17. #17
    Ext User() Guest

    Re: Using a DELL 2600 PowerEdge as a Desktop PC

    On Sunday, September 29, 2013 10:56:40 PM UTC-4, Paul wrote:
    > As a general rule (haven't seen an exception yet), the power signal
    >
    > and the reset signal on the front, are momentary contact active low.
    >
    > The power pair, consists of POWER- and GND, and touching the two together
    >
    > for a moment, triggers power on. I do that on systems here, with the tip
    >
    > of a slot head screwdriver. As long as you can identify bits of exposed
    >
    > metal or pins corresponding to those two, you can turn it on.


    There is only a power on/off switch. No reset button.

    > The RESET- and GND are similar. Touch the two together for just a moment,
    >
    > and the machine will be reset.
    >
    >
    >
    > In an emergency, you can even swap the POWER and RESET cable pairs, and
    >
    > use the RESET button as a POWER button. (As RESET isn't used quite as much,
    >
    > and you could live without a RESET button, using the RESET button to take
    >
    > the place of a broken POWER button.
    >
    >
    >
    > So you weren't as "disabled" as first appeared. Just a matter of finding
    >
    > out where the cable goes, and touching the two pins.
    >
    >
    >
    > To turn the power off, can require making contact between POWER- and GND
    >
    > for a period of four seconds or longer. When turning off the power,
    >
    > a timer is used, and so the momentary contact in that case must be maintained
    >
    > for a four second interval.
    >
    >
    >
    > >

    >
    > > BTW. F2 = Setup, F10 = Utility Mode, and F12 = PXE Boot.

    >
    > >

    >
    > > Anyway, after looking in the manual I found the information concerning the

    >
    > > jumpers for the password is confusing, so I just took both of the jumpers off.

    >
    > > (I think that was what I'm suppoed to do).

    >
    >
    >
    > To reset the password, you remove the jumper on PASSWD.
    >
    >
    >
    > To clear the NVRAM (CMOS), you insert its jumper. You only use
    >
    > the jumper long enough to clear the settings, then the jumper
    >
    > will be coming off again.
    >
    >
    >
    > The manual says to remove system power while fooling around
    >
    > with those. I suspect the NVRAM one is the most dangerous,
    >
    > in terms of damaging the ORing diode for 3VSB. But in any case,
    >
    > follow the instructions in the manual, when it says to remove
    >
    > system power (unplug).
    >
    >
    >
    > >

    >
    > > It seems to have no effect, because I still can only get as far as the screen

    >
    > > where I have to enter the password.

    >
    >
    >
    > Make sure you are following the procedure in the manual.
    >
    >
    >
    > "The existing passwords are not disabled (erased) until the
    >
    > system boots with the password jumper plug removed. However,
    >
    > before you assign a new system and/or setup password, you
    >
    > must install the jumper plug."
    >
    >
    >
    > The system has to see the PASSWD jumper plug removed, to disable the
    >
    > password for that cycle. It could be a write enable signal for
    >
    > an EEPROM, rather than a traditional resetting jumper for all I know.


    The password and CMOS consist of two 3-pin connectors on the motherboard. Ihad taken each 2-pin jumper off of both.

    Since this did not clear the password (or CMOS for that matter? I assumed that replacing the jumpers in the lower position might work. (But I never got to that because of what happened when I attempted to remove the battery).

    > > I then attempted to take the battery out, but I must have pulled too

    >
    > > hard because one side of the battery holder detached from the motherboard.

    >
    > > http://s290.photobucket.com/user/Sta...ml?sort=3&o=69

    >
    >
    >
    > You villain :-)
    >
    >
    >
    > Those are always tricky. And in this case, I would have
    >
    > advised against attacking it. Unless the thing is flat,
    >
    > leave it alone :-)


    Well, I didn't know that. In the past I've temporarily removed or changed the battery on many other motherboards without issue.

    > > My next boot attempt gave me a screen that said "No Boot Device".

    >
    > > http://s290.photobucket.com/user/Sta...ml?sort=3&o=68

    >
    >
    >
    > That means you've managed to "NVRAM" clear. Losing the battery
    >
    > caused the settings to be lost.
    >
    >
    >
    > If you wrote down all the settings, you can power up the system,
    >
    > enter the BIOS, and load all the necessary settings by hand. They
    >
    > will stay there, until the next power failure. Then you have to
    >
    > enter them again.
    >
    >
    >
    > As I have several systems here with flat batteries, I'm quite used
    >
    > to running systems that way (load settings, then use the computer).
    >
    >
    >
    > >

    >
    > > So I re-booted while pushing down on the battery only to get a screen that said "Invalid Configuration".

    >
    > > http://s290.photobucket.com/user/Sta...ml?sort=3&o=71

    >
    >
    >
    > It says to press F2 to enter the BIOS.
    >
    >
    >
    > Good luck getting the correct settings in there.
    >
    > You should really have taken digital camera photos of each setup
    >
    > screen page, for future reference. Now, you're screwed :-)
    >
    > Part of the fun is things like the SCSI setup.


    What settings in the CMOS have to be correct in order to get back to the password screen? (Which I assume is still uncleared).

    Am I supposed to research information on the motherboard, hard drives, CD/Floppy/Tape drive, ram, and Adaptec SCSI card for information on what settings are needed? Or is it a matter of trial and error, rolling the dice with different settings?

    There is a single screen in BIOS that you have to scroll down a little to see everything.

    I would have included a picture of the BIOS screen, but today as feared theimminent failure of the pc I was using occurred and as a result I have to way to tranfer the image from my camera to a computer. (I was trying to getthe DELL 2600 up and running so I could avoid all my data loss). :(

    Thanks.

    Darren Harris
    Staten Island, New York.

  18. #18
    Ext User(Paul) Guest

    Re: Using a DELL 2600 PowerEdge as a Desktop PC

    jamesjaddah1755@gmail.com wrote:
    > On Sunday, September 29, 2013 10:56:40 PM UTC-4, Paul wrote:
    >> As a general rule (haven't seen an exception yet), the power signal
    >>
    >> and the reset signal on the front, are momentary contact active low.
    >>
    >> The power pair, consists of POWER- and GND, and touching the two together
    >>
    >> for a moment, triggers power on. I do that on systems here, with the tip
    >>
    >> of a slot head screwdriver. As long as you can identify bits of exposed
    >>
    >> metal or pins corresponding to those two, you can turn it on.

    >
    > There is only a power on/off switch. No reset button.
    >
    >> The RESET- and GND are similar. Touch the two together for just a moment,
    >>
    >> and the machine will be reset.
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> In an emergency, you can even swap the POWER and RESET cable pairs, and
    >>
    >> use the RESET button as a POWER button. (As RESET isn't used quite as much,
    >>
    >> and you could live without a RESET button, using the RESET button to take
    >>
    >> the place of a broken POWER button.
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> So you weren't as "disabled" as first appeared. Just a matter of finding
    >>
    >> out where the cable goes, and touching the two pins.
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> To turn the power off, can require making contact between POWER- and GND
    >>
    >> for a period of four seconds or longer. When turning off the power,
    >>
    >> a timer is used, and so the momentary contact in that case must be maintained
    >>
    >> for a four second interval.
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>> BTW. F2 = Setup, F10 = Utility Mode, and F12 = PXE Boot.
    >>> Anyway, after looking in the manual I found the information concerning the
    >>> jumpers for the password is confusing, so I just took both of the jumpers off.
    >>> (I think that was what I'm suppoed to do).

    >>
    >>
    >> To reset the password, you remove the jumper on PASSWD.
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> To clear the NVRAM (CMOS), you insert its jumper. You only use
    >>
    >> the jumper long enough to clear the settings, then the jumper
    >>
    >> will be coming off again.
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> The manual says to remove system power while fooling around
    >>
    >> with those. I suspect the NVRAM one is the most dangerous,
    >>
    >> in terms of damaging the ORing diode for 3VSB. But in any case,
    >>
    >> follow the instructions in the manual, when it says to remove
    >>
    >> system power (unplug).
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>> It seems to have no effect, because I still can only get as far as the screen
    >>> where I have to enter the password.

    >>
    >>
    >> Make sure you are following the procedure in the manual.
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> "The existing passwords are not disabled (erased) until the
    >>
    >> system boots with the password jumper plug removed. However,
    >>
    >> before you assign a new system and/or setup password, you
    >>
    >> must install the jumper plug."
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> The system has to see the PASSWD jumper plug removed, to disable the
    >>
    >> password for that cycle. It could be a write enable signal for
    >>
    >> an EEPROM, rather than a traditional resetting jumper for all I know.

    >
    > The password and CMOS consist of two 3-pin connectors on the motherboard. I had taken each 2-pin jumper off of both.
    >
    > Since this did not clear the password (or CMOS for that matter? I assumed that replacing the jumpers in the lower position might work. (But I never got to that because of what happened when I attempted to remove the battery).
    >
    >>> I then attempted to take the battery out, but I must have pulled too
    >>> hard because one side of the battery holder detached from the motherboard.
    >>> http://s290.photobucket.com/user/Sta...ml?sort=3&o=69

    >>
    >>
    >> You villain :-)
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> Those are always tricky. And in this case, I would have
    >>
    >> advised against attacking it. Unless the thing is flat,
    >>
    >> leave it alone :-)

    >
    > Well, I didn't know that. In the past I've temporarily removed or changed the battery on many other motherboards without issue.
    >
    >>> My next boot attempt gave me a screen that said "No Boot Device".
    >>> http://s290.photobucket.com/user/Sta...ml?sort=3&o=68

    >>
    >>
    >> That means you've managed to "NVRAM" clear. Losing the battery
    >>
    >> caused the settings to be lost.
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> If you wrote down all the settings, you can power up the system,
    >>
    >> enter the BIOS, and load all the necessary settings by hand. They
    >>
    >> will stay there, until the next power failure. Then you have to
    >>
    >> enter them again.
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> As I have several systems here with flat batteries, I'm quite used
    >>
    >> to running systems that way (load settings, then use the computer).
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>> So I re-booted while pushing down on the battery only to get a screen that said "Invalid Configuration".
    >>> http://s290.photobucket.com/user/Sta...ml?sort=3&o=71

    >>
    >>
    >> It says to press F2 to enter the BIOS.
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> Good luck getting the correct settings in there.
    >>
    >> You should really have taken digital camera photos of each setup
    >>
    >> screen page, for future reference. Now, you're screwed :-)
    >>
    >> Part of the fun is things like the SCSI setup.

    >
    > What settings in the CMOS have to be correct in order to get back to the password screen? (Which I assume is still uncleared).
    >
    > Am I supposed to research information on the motherboard, hard drives, CD/Floppy/Tape drive, ram, and Adaptec SCSI card for information on what settings are needed? Or is it a matter of trial and error, rolling the dice with different settings?
    >
    > There is a single screen in BIOS that you have to scroll down a little to see everything.
    >
    > I would have included a picture of the BIOS screen, but today as feared the imminent failure of the pc I was using occurred and as a result I have to way to tranfer the image from my camera to a computer. (I was trying to get the DELL 2600 up and running so I could avoid all my data loss). :(
    >
    > Thanks.
    >
    > Darren Harris
    > Staten Island, New York.


    Whereas normal BIOS have a menu along the top, this menu is based on hitting
    enter on the appropriate line in the main screen (depicted here).

    This person is setting the hard drive boot order, using the Hard Disk
    Drive Sequence entry. This is a picture, when the SCSI card is removed
    and a TX2300 is in place.

    http://www.modlog.net/wp-content/upl...3/DSCF1021.jpg

    And this would be with the original hardware.

    http://www.modlog.net/wp-content/upl...3/DSCF1016.jpg

    As long as you know how to set everything in that screen
    (and at the levels below the main screen), you should be OK
    without a battery. If the power goes off, you just end up entering
    the settings again.

    The SCSI card has an INT 0x13 BIOS ROM on board, and when
    that code is loaded, it prints stuff on the screen. Sometimes,
    there is a separate utility, for setting up which drive to
    boot from or doing other configuration things. I seem to
    remember my old Adaptec card having something like that.
    SCSI cards usually are more fully featured, than run of
    the mill SATA or IDE cards.

    http://www.modlog.net/wp-content/upl...3/DSCF1012.jpg

    Paul

  19. #19
    Ext User() Guest

    Re: Using a DELL 2600 PowerEdge as a Desktop PC

    On Monday, September 30, 2013 5:29:25 PM UTC-4, Paul wrote:
    > jamesjaddah1755@gmail.com wrote:
    >
    > > On Sunday, September 29, 2013 10:56:40 PM UTC-4, Paul wrote:

    >
    > >> As a general rule (haven't seen an exception yet), the power signal

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >> and the reset signal on the front, are momentary contact active low.

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >> The power pair, consists of POWER- and GND, and touching the two together

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >> for a moment, triggers power on. I do that on systems here, with the tip

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >> of a slot head screwdriver. As long as you can identify bits of exposed

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >> metal or pins corresponding to those two, you can turn it on.

    >
    > >

    >
    > > There is only a power on/off switch. No reset button.

    >
    > >

    >
    > >> The RESET- and GND are similar. Touch the two together for just a moment,

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >> and the machine will be reset.

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >> In an emergency, you can even swap the POWER and RESET cable pairs, and

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >> use the RESET button as a POWER button. (As RESET isn't used quite as much,

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >> and you could live without a RESET button, using the RESET button to take

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >> the place of a broken POWER button.

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >> So you weren't as "disabled" as first appeared. Just a matter of finding

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >> out where the cable goes, and touching the two pins.

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >> To turn the power off, can require making contact between POWER- and GND

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >> for a period of four seconds or longer. When turning off the power,

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >> a timer is used, and so the momentary contact in that case must be maintained

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >> for a four second interval.

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >>> BTW. F2 = Setup, F10 = Utility Mode, and F12 = PXE Boot.

    >
    > >>> Anyway, after looking in the manual I found the information concerning the

    >
    > >>> jumpers for the password is confusing, so I just took both of the jumpers off.

    >
    > >>> (I think that was what I'm suppoed to do).

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >> To reset the password, you remove the jumper on PASSWD.

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >> To clear the NVRAM (CMOS), you insert its jumper. You only use

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >> the jumper long enough to clear the settings, then the jumper

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >> will be coming off again.

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >> The manual says to remove system power while fooling around

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >> with those. I suspect the NVRAM one is the most dangerous,

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >> in terms of damaging the ORing diode for 3VSB. But in any case,

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >> follow the instructions in the manual, when it says to remove

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >> system power (unplug).

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >>> It seems to have no effect, because I still can only get as far as the screen

    >
    > >>> where I have to enter the password.

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >> Make sure you are following the procedure in the manual.

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >> "The existing passwords are not disabled (erased) until the

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >> system boots with the password jumper plug removed. However,

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >> before you assign a new system and/or setup password, you

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >> must install the jumper plug."

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >> The system has to see the PASSWD jumper plug removed, to disable the

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >> password for that cycle. It could be a write enable signal for

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >> an EEPROM, rather than a traditional resetting jumper for all I know.

    >
    > >

    >
    > > The password and CMOS consist of two 3-pin connectors on the motherboard. I had taken each 2-pin jumper off of both.

    >
    > >

    >
    > > Since this did not clear the password (or CMOS for that matter? I assumed that replacing the jumpers in the lower position might work. (But I never got to that because of what happened when I attempted to remove the battery).

    >
    > >

    >
    > >>> I then attempted to take the battery out, but I must have pulled too

    >
    > >>> hard because one side of the battery holder detached from the motherboard.

    >
    > >>> http://s290.photobucket.com/user/Sta...ml?sort=3&o=69

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >> You villain :-)

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >> Those are always tricky. And in this case, I would have

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >> advised against attacking it. Unless the thing is flat,

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >> leave it alone :-)

    >
    > >

    >
    > > Well, I didn't know that. In the past I've temporarily removed or changed the battery on many other motherboards without issue.

    >
    > >

    >
    > >>> My next boot attempt gave me a screen that said "No Boot Device".

    >
    > >>> http://s290.photobucket.com/user/Sta...ml?sort=3&o=68

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >> That means you've managed to "NVRAM" clear. Losing the battery

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >> caused the settings to be lost.

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >> If you wrote down all the settings, you can power up the system,

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >> enter the BIOS, and load all the necessary settings by hand. They

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >> will stay there, until the next power failure. Then you have to

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >> enter them again.

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >> As I have several systems here with flat batteries, I'm quite used

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >> to running systems that way (load settings, then use the computer).

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >>> So I re-booted while pushing down on the battery only to get a screenthat said "Invalid Configuration".

    >
    > >>> http://s290.photobucket.com/user/Sta...ml?sort=3&o=71

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >> It says to press F2 to enter the BIOS.

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >> Good luck getting the correct settings in there.

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >> You should really have taken digital camera photos of each setup

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >> screen page, for future reference. Now, you're screwed :-)

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >> Part of the fun is things like the SCSI setup.

    >
    > >

    >
    > > What settings in the CMOS have to be correct in order to get back to the password screen? (Which I assume is still uncleared).

    >
    > >

    >
    > > Am I supposed to research information on the motherboard, hard drives, CD/Floppy/Tape drive, ram, and Adaptec SCSI card for information on what settings are needed? Or is it a matter of trial and error, rolling the dice with different settings?

    >
    > >

    >
    > > There is a single screen in BIOS that you have to scroll down a little to see everything.

    >
    > >

    >
    > > I would have included a picture of the BIOS screen, but today as fearedthe imminent failure of the pc I was using occurred and as a result I haveto way to tranfer the image from my camera to a computer. (I was trying toget the DELL 2600 up and running so I could avoid all my data loss). :(

    >
    > >

    >
    > > Thanks.

    >
    > >

    >
    > > Darren Harris

    >
    > > Staten Island, New York.

    >
    >
    >
    > Whereas normal BIOS have a menu along the top, this menu is based on hitting
    >
    > enter on the appropriate line in the main screen (depicted here).
    >
    >
    >
    > This person is setting the hard drive boot order, using the Hard Disk
    >
    > Drive Sequence entry. This is a picture, when the SCSI card is removed
    >
    > and a TX2300 is in place.
    >
    >
    >
    > http://www.modlog.net/wp-content/upl...3/DSCF1021.jpg
    >
    >
    >
    > And this would be with the original hardware.
    >
    >
    >
    > http://www.modlog.net/wp-content/upl...3/DSCF1016.jpg
    >
    >
    >
    > As long as you know how to set everything in that screen
    >
    > (and at the levels below the main screen), you should be OK
    >
    > without a battery. If the power goes off, you just end up entering
    >
    > the settings again.
    >
    >
    >
    > The SCSI card has an INT 0x13 BIOS ROM on board, and when
    >
    > that code is loaded, it prints stuff on the screen. Sometimes,
    >
    > there is a separate utility, for setting up which drive to
    >
    > boot from or doing other configuration things. I seem to
    >
    > remember my old Adaptec card having something like that.
    >
    > SCSI cards usually are more fully featured, than run of
    >
    > the mill SATA or IDE cards.
    >
    >
    >
    > http://www.modlog.net/wp-content/upl...3/DSCF1012.jpg
    >
    >
    >
    > Paul


    OK. My present system didn't go down yet. My monitor plug has somehow fallen out. :)

    The following pics are the BIOS screen. The top and the with it scrolled down:
    http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/l...psec8039bf.jpg

    http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/l...psd1e87a9a.jpg

    I'll play around on it tonight to see if I can get it working again.

    Thanks.

    Darren Harris
    Staten Island, New York.

  20. #20
    Ext User() Guest

    Re: Using a DELL 2600 PowerEdge as a Desktop PC

    Ok. I booted the DELL 2600 server about 60 times in an attempt to get back to the password screen (or past it).

    I went into BIOS and under "Integrated Devices" changed "Embedded RAID Controller" from "Off" to "SCSI". (The RAID option causes a warning that data will be lost). http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/l...psc498632d.jpg

    This allows me to boot as far as the Windows 2000 Server splash screen: http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/l...ps5bd0f4cc.jpg,
    Followed by a "Inaccessible Boot Device" blue screen which I can't get past: http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/l...ps9b47479a.jpg (The blue screen tells me to run CHKDSK /F, but I don't know how to do that).

    A weird thing is that three times out of all the times I booted I got a slightly different BIOS screen that gave me an extra option. ?!? Notice there is nothing in between "Boot Sequence" and Integrated Devices": http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/l...psb33cace7.jpg

    Now look at the "Hard-Disk Drive Sequence" option that rarely comes up: http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/l...psc0f0d585.jpg

    When I did get that option, putting "Hard drive C" at the top in "Boot Sequence" didn't help me get any further into the booting process. And putting either the Seagate drive or the IBM drive at the top in "Hard-Disk Drive Sequence" didn't either: http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/l...ps8edbbf27.jpg (The other three hard drives don't show up in BIOS at all, but during the boot-up sequence it show as each is spun up).

    I tried every combination I could think of in "PCI IRQ Assignment": http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/l...ps24dd15fd.jpg to no avail. And in "PCI-X Slot Information" only slot 6 is occupied, which is the SCSI card. http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/l...ps62a0b031.jpg
    I don't think "Console Redirection" is important: http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/l...ps3b4f486c.jpg.. And in "System Security" anything relating a password is off. http://i290..photobucket.com/albums/...ps84160fdc.jpg

    The DELL 2600 PowerEdge motherboard features are as follows:

    *** Six 64-bit PCI/PCI-X slots and one 32-bit slot. Slots accept full-length cards designed for 133 MHz, 100 MHz, 66 MHz, or 33 MHz.
    *** An integrated VGA-compatible video subsystem with an ATI RAGE video controller. This video subsystem contains 8 MB of SDRAM video memory (nonupgradable). Maximum resolution is 1600 x 1200 x 16.7 million colors (noninterlaced).
    *** An integrated, dual-channel Ultra320 SCSI host adapter.
    *** Optional 1 x 2 backplane automatically configures the ID numbers and SCSI termination on individual hard drives, greatly simplifying drive installation.
    *** One integrated 10/100/1000 NIC, which provides and Ethernet interface.
    *** Embedded systems management circuitry that monitors operation of the system fans as well as critical system voltages and temperatures. The systemsmanagement circuitry works in conjunction with your systems management software.
    *** Back-panel connectors including video, keyboard, mouse, two serial, oneparallel, two USB, one NIC, and one optional embedded remote access Ethernet connector.

    The service manual says that the supported operating systems are as follows:

    Microsoft Windows 2000 Server family
    Windows NT 4.0 Server family
    Red Hat Linux 7.3 or later
    Novell Netware 6.0

    I assume this system came out before Windows XP I just wanted to confirm that XP can be installed if needed.

    Also, If I can get this system up and running correctly would there be any advantages of adding another processor? There is already a single VRM chip,whatever that is. But I don't know if another VRM chip would be needed if a second processor were added to the system.

    http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/l...ps49f8849a.jpg

    Also would there be any advantages to adding two more 1GB memory chips to bring the total to 6GB?

    (Outside of internet, DVD, MP3s, I may want to play around with ram disks and video editing).

    I have to look into a way to reattach the NVRAM battery so I wouldn't have to keep entering the settings whenever I want to boot up.

    Thanks.

    Darren Harris
    Staten Island, New York.

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