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  1. #41
    Ext User(Noddy) Guest

    Re: SAAB returns

    On 26/09/13 1:44 AM, Paul Saccani wrote:

    > Ok, well, as it happens, I do drive both, the SAAB handles better,
    > brakes better, goes faster, accelerates much faster and uses way less
    > fuel. I even find it roomier. I'm not sure that driving both would
    > lead to a "No, they don't, actually" conclusion. But the SAAB is set
    > up so that the spare wheel well will only accommodate a bastard space
    > saver spare, so you could sling that against it.


    You're the first person I've ever heard say they would prefer a SAAB
    over something like a Ford Falcon.

    > SAABs don't have a turbo lag problem, as a rule, let alone a terrible
    > one.


    We're talking about *SAAB's* here, right? :)

    > I've found 250 kmh with five people and a full boot satisfactory, and
    > it handles well too.


    I used to do a *lot* of work for an exotic car broker, and he had a
    thing for SAABs which meant I got to drive more than my fair share of
    them unfortunately. Apart from the fact that I thought the things were
    all gutless, quirky beyond belief and looked and felt like they were
    built in a sheltered workshop from left over Meccano pieces, there were
    none that I ever drove that I could imagine would come even *remotely*
    close to comfortably cruising at 155 miles per hour with 5 bums and
    luggage unless you were talking about one of the late model Aeros, and
    even then you'd be hard pressed.

    > So true. OTOH, the SAABs actually got a lot closer to that than
    > anyone else, with the 2.3 l direct ignition turbo engines.


    Yeah but they were still a SAAB. It's a lot like saying you had a great
    Lada.



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    Regards,
    Noddy.

  2. #42
    Ext User(Jason James) Guest

    Re: SAAB returns

    Noddy wrote:
    > On 26/09/13 8:28 AM, Jeßus wrote:
    >
    >> Jesus... when I mentioned that Saab that a local owned, it was a 900C
    >> :) Seriously, the thing was constantly being repaired and had more
    >> rattle and squeaks than you could point a stick at.

    >
    > They were a poorly built **** of a car. There is no doubt about that.


    Its "on the road" that a breakdown in a Euro car becomes a massive hit
    in the wallet. I knew 2 guys with a BMW 2002 and R16 Renault, had
    shocker failure occured in both. The BMW limped into Melbourne while the
    R16 was driven to the next town. The unrestrained rear suspension
    flogged out the rear arm bushes,...niiice

    Jason


  3. #43
    Ext User(Jeßus) Guest

    Re: SAAB returns

    On Thu, 26 Sep 2013 09:43:42 +1000, Noddy <me@wardengineering.com.au>
    wrote:

    >On 26/09/13 8:28 AM, Jeßus wrote:
    >
    >> Jesus... when I mentioned that Saab that a local owned, it was a 900C
    >> :) Seriously, the thing was constantly being repaired and had more
    >> rattle and squeaks than you could point a stick at.

    >
    >They were a poorly built **** of a car. There is no doubt about that.


    Just came across this Peugeot, now I wouldn't mind taking this for a
    spin:
    http://motoring.syd.ninemsn.com.au/s...k?mode=preview

  4. #44
    Ext User(D Walford) Guest

    Re: SAAB returns

    On 27/09/2013 6:11 AM, Jeßus wrote:
    > On Thu, 26 Sep 2013 09:43:42 +1000, Noddy <me@wardengineering.com.au>
    > wrote:
    >
    >> On 26/09/13 8:28 AM, Jeßus wrote:
    >>
    >>> Jesus... when I mentioned that Saab that a local owned, it was a 900C
    >>> :) Seriously, the thing was constantly being repaired and had more
    >>> rattle and squeaks than you could point a stick at.

    >>
    >> They were a poorly built **** of a car. There is no doubt about that.

    >
    > Just came across this Peugeot, now I wouldn't mind taking this for a
    > spin:
    > http://motoring.syd.ninemsn.com.au/s...k?mode=preview
    >

    Amazing how much money car makers spend on specials for one event.

    --
    Daryl

  5. #45
    Ext User(Noddy) Guest

    Re: SAAB returns

    On 27/09/13 6:11 AM, Jeßus wrote:

    > Just came across this Peugeot, now I wouldn't mind taking this for a
    > spin:
    > http://motoring.syd.ninemsn.com.au/s...k?mode=preview


    Looks interesting :)

    I always liked some of the big "whale tale" turbo Pugs that Ari Vatanen
    fanged around Pikes Peak. They looked like a shitload of fun.


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    Regards,
    Noddy.

  6. #46
    Ext User(Noddy) Guest

    Re: SAAB returns

    On 27/09/13 8:31 AM, D Walford wrote:

    > Amazing how much money car makers spend on specials for one event.


    It is, but then if they make a big deal and do well at it the overall
    cost is probably significantly lower than a world wide or even national
    advertising campaign would be, and the favourable press would be way
    more effective.

    It's like the old "win on Sunday sell on Monday" think the manufacturers
    used to do here at Bathurst. Holden & Ford used to sink a few hundred
    thousand into their "factory" team assaults on the mountain, which was a
    small percentage of their annual advertising budget, and they'd take
    shitloads of orders in the following weeks if they managed to win.



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    Regards,
    Noddy.

  7. #47
    Ext User(Jeßus) Guest

    Re: SAAB returns

    On Fri, 27 Sep 2013 10:39:44 +1000, Noddy <me@wardengineering.com.au>
    wrote:

    >On 27/09/13 6:11 AM, Jeßus wrote:
    >
    >> Just came across this Peugeot, now I wouldn't mind taking this for a
    >> spin:
    >> http://motoring.syd.ninemsn.com.au/s...k?mode=preview

    >
    >Looks interesting :)


    With those specs it'd have to be an awsome drive...

    >I always liked some of the big "whale tale" turbo Pugs that Ari Vatanen
    >fanged around Pikes Peak. They looked like a shitload of fun.


    Indeed. Probably my all-time favourite car related video, the sound of
    the engine alone gives me a boner :)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siKlrTF9Baw

  8. #48
    Ext User(Noddy) Guest

    Re: SAAB returns

    On 27/09/13 4:01 PM, Jeßus wrote:

    > Indeed. Probably my all-time favourite car related video, the sound of
    > the engine alone gives me a boner :)
    > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siKlrTF9Baw


    Yeah, that's a staple for anyone's video collection.

    I saw him do some demonstration stuff at Calder park years ago and it
    was pretty amazing. He basically set up an obstacle course and
    challenged anyone of the "celebrity" drivers who were there to get
    around it without hitting anything, and none of them could (and the
    celebrities included some well heeled names like Peter Brock, Colin Bond
    and a host of other people who knew their way around a car).

    What he then did after they all failed was pointed out how they should
    be going about setting up the car for a particular manoeuvre, and as
    foreign as it seemed to most of them as soon as he explained it not a
    single person ****ed up on the repeat run.

    He is an amazing natural talent.



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    Regards,
    Noddy.

  9. #49
    Ext User(D Walford) Guest

    Re: SAAB returns

    On 27/09/2013 4:01 PM, Jeßus wrote:
    > On Fri, 27 Sep 2013 10:39:44 +1000, Noddy <me@wardengineering.com.au>
    > wrote:
    >
    >> On 27/09/13 6:11 AM, Jeßus wrote:
    >>
    >>> Just came across this Peugeot, now I wouldn't mind taking this for a
    >>> spin:
    >>> http://motoring.syd.ninemsn.com.au/s...k?mode=preview

    >>
    >> Looks interesting :)

    >
    > With those specs it'd have to be an awsome drive...
    >
    >> I always liked some of the big "whale tale" turbo Pugs that Ari Vatanen
    >> fanged around Pikes Peak. They looked like a shitload of fun.

    >
    > Indeed. Probably my all-time favourite car related video, the sound of
    > the engine alone gives me a boner :)
    > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siKlrTF9Baw
    >

    I have that clip on a HD somewhere and watch it occasionally,
    sensational driving.

    --
    Daryl

  10. #50
    Ext User(Paul Saccani) Guest

    Re: SAAB returns

    On Thu, 26 Sep 2013 09:40:19 +1000, Noddy <me@wardengineering.com.au>
    wrote:

    >On 26/09/13 1:44 AM, Paul Saccani wrote:
    >
    >> Ok, well, as it happens, I do drive both, the SAAB handles better,
    >> brakes better, goes faster, accelerates much faster and uses way less
    >> fuel. I even find it roomier. I'm not sure that driving both would
    >> lead to a "No, they don't, actually" conclusion. But the SAAB is set
    >> up so that the spare wheel well will only accommodate a bastard space
    >> saver spare, so you could sling that against it.

    >
    >You're the first person I've ever heard say they would prefer a SAAB
    >over something like a Ford Falcon.


    Well, I'm a lot bigger than you... Despite being a much larger car,
    the Falcon has less room inside for tall people. I don't enjoy
    hitting my head on the roof or the B pillar, but in the SAAB, that
    doesn't happen to me, in the front or rear sears.

    >> SAABs don't have a turbo lag problem, as a rule, let alone a terrible
    >> one.

    >
    >We're talking about *SAAB's* here, right? :)


    Yep.

    >> I've found 250 kmh with five people and a full boot satisfactory, and
    >> it handles well too.

    >
    >I used to do a *lot* of work for an exotic car broker, and he had a
    >thing for SAABs which meant I got to drive more than my fair share of
    >them unfortunately. Apart from the fact that I thought the things were
    >all gutless,


    Depends on what you were using - some of them were gutless.
    Especially the new generation 900 models.

    > quirky beyond belief


    They were different, right enough. Some of those differences allowed
    for exceptional performance. Some were simply finding a sophisticated
    way to do a simple task, like dim the instrument lights using pulse
    width modulation, which isn't a very smart way to do it, if you ask
    me.

    > and looked and felt like they were
    >built in a sheltered workshop from left over Meccano pieces,


    To some extent, they were, after the GM takeover, where they had to
    rummage through the GM parts bin to make their new designs, and they
    were put under very tight controls by GM.

    > there were
    >none that I ever drove that I could imagine would come even *remotely*
    >close to comfortably cruising at 155 miles per hour with 5 bums and
    >luggage unless you were talking about one of the late model Aeros, and
    >even then you'd be hard pressed.


    Even a poxy turbo two litre 900 has averaged 143 MPH over 40,000 km,
    including scheduled servicing. The high performance version of the
    2.3 litre doesn't have a problem five up at 250 kmh.

    >> So true. OTOH, the SAABs actually got a lot closer to that than
    >> anyone else, with the 2.3 l direct ignition turbo engines.

    >
    >Yeah but they were still a SAAB. It's a lot like saying you had a great
    >Lada.


    Sure enough. It's like riding a fat lady or a scooter, it is all good
    fun, until someone sees you. I like the Lada Niva too. I wouldn't
    suggest to anyone to buy a SAAB or a Lada. Or a Mercedes or BMW, for
    that matter. Speaking of which, I've got my eye on a 6 litre V12
    Mercedes... Double glazing is nice...
    --
    Cheers,
    Paul Saccani
    Perth, Western Australia.

  11. #51
    Ext User(Noddy) Guest

    Re: SAAB returns

    On 28/09/13 9:03 PM, Paul Saccani wrote:

    > Even a poxy turbo two litre 900 has averaged 143 MPH over 40,000 km,
    > including scheduled servicing. The high performance version of the
    > 2.3 litre doesn't have a problem five up at 250 kmh.


    I have to admit that I find this *really* hard to believe. You must use
    an *awfully* long flat road with a good tail wind.




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    Regards,
    Noddy.

  12. #52
    Ext User(Paul Saccani) Guest

    Re: SAAB returns

    Noddy, this message of yours didn't make it to my server, hence the
    unusual formatting, as I've grabbed it from elsewhere. Header
    references will likely be invalid.


    29-09-2013 03:15 AM #51 Ext User(Noddy)
    t Re: SAAB returns
    On 28/09/13 9:03 PM, Paul Saccani wrote:

    >> Even a poxy turbo two litre 900 has averaged 143 MPH over 40,000 km,
    >> including scheduled servicing. The high performance version of the
    >> 2.3 litre doesn't have a problem five up at 250 kmh.


    >I have to admit that I find this *really* hard to believe.
    >You must use an *awfully* long flat road with a good tail wind.


    More power than a GMH made ecotec V6 (that was the lower power option)
    in a lighter car with a lower CoD and frontal area than the
    corresponding Commodore, it isn't that much of a stretch.

    Which isn't to say that you don't have a point to make.

    Whilst I could certainly get 250 kmh out of it five up, that wasn't a
    very fast speed under the prevailing conditions, it was foot to the
    floor, though handling and braking were fine. Takes a while,
    obviously.

    That's unmodified, of course. With no component changes, you could
    get an extra 100 PS out of that engine by changing the ECU
    programming, as the ECU was also able to control boost. With few
    component changes, such as higher flowing injectors and a higher flow
    fuel pump, people have been able to get a good 200 PS extra out of
    them. I understand that reliability suffers.... The most I've heard
    of these engines making is 550 PS, which is a fair amount of power.

    I got 250 kmh out of a 2 litre turbo Mercedes four up last year. It
    doesn't seem that far out to me. Unfortunately, here in Australia, we
    operate under restrictions which means that we don't entertain such
    speeds on highways. I don't think either of those vehicles would get
    anywhere near those speeds on a racetrack..
    --
    Cheers,
    Paul Saccani
    Perth, Western Australia.

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