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  1. #61
    Ext User(Clocky) Guest

    Re: Anyone able to contribute ?


    "Noddy" <me@wardengineering.com.au> wrote in message
    news:l2qt34$7q6$2@dont-email.me...
    > On 06/10/13 2:59 PM, Clocky wrote:
    >
    >> He was exaggerating as per usual, it's about 6.5L.

    >
    > It was a joke Joyce,


    Oh really?





  2. #62
    Ext User(Clocky) Guest

    Re: Anyone able to contribute ?


    "lindsay" <ask.me.for.it@hornet.net.ay.you> wrote in message
    news:52510564$0$29892$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraw eb.com...
    > On 6/10/2013 5:17 PM, Clocky wrote:
    >> "Noddy" <me@wardengineering.com.au> wrote in message
    >> news:l2qt34$7q6$2@dont-email.me...
    >>> On 06/10/13 2:59 PM, Clocky wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> He was exaggerating as per usual, it's about 6.5L.
    >>>
    >>> It was a joke Joyce,

    >>
    >> Oh really?

    >
    > Jesus, *of course* it was, clocky.. ease up!! It's fairly obvious to
    > anyone that a standard sump in a standard car isnt going to be 27
    > litres...
    >


    O RLY?

    Sigh... f'n noobs.





  3. #63
    Ext User(Clocky) Guest

    Re: Anyone able to contribute ?


    "jonz" <disco-v8@lotsafuel.com> wrote in message
    news:l2qvnt$ehu$1@dont-email.me...
    > On 10/6/2013 4:51 PM, Clocky wrote:
    >> "D Walford" <dwalford@internode.on.net> wrote in message
    >> news:5250e34b$0$29900$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraw eb.com...
    >>> On 06/10/2013 10:30 AM, Clocky wrote:
    >>>> "Noddy" <me@wardengineering.com.au> wrote in message
    >>>> news:l2p6an$d5v$1@dont-email.me...
    >>>>> On 05/10/13 9:21 AM, Clocky wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> Interesting that you should pick on this problem, one you have over
    >>>>>> exaggerated greatly to suit your end btw.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> How many times do you need to be told that I just quoted a passage of
    >>>>> text
    >>>>> pretty much verbatim? What is it about that that simply doesn't
    >>>>> register
    >>>>> with you?
    >>>>>
    >>>>> I didn't "exaggerate" a single thing, but relayed the story exactly as
    >>>>> it
    >>>>> appeared in the paper you silly ****,
    >>>>
    >>>> You did not, you made exaggerated claim about 5-7L oil usage being
    >>>> deemed
    >>>> normal by Holden before revealing that the article did in fact never
    >>>> claim
    >>>> that. It was one extreme "customer complaint" example, which Holden
    >>>> would
    >>>> never deem as normal.
    >>>
    >>> It was what was claimed in the article, I also don't believe that Holden
    >>> would say that it was normal but the person writing the letter stated
    >>> that
    >>> they said it was.
    >>>

    >>
    >> Yep, that's what they said. The claim is BS, you know it, I know it. But
    >> not
    >> Noddy who is happy to write off an entire engine based on some anecdotal
    >> reports of oil usage.
    >>
    >>
    >>>> and as I told you at the time
    >>>>> if you had an issue with it you needed to take it up with the
    >>>>> columnist
    >>>>> who printed the thing.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> I even gave you his ****ing email address :)
    >>>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Did you?
    >>>
    >>> I posted a link to the article as well.
    >>>

    >>
    >> Yes I remember reading it. What was in the article doesn't back up
    >> assertion
    >> put forward that Holden deem 5-7L of oil usage as normal.
    >>
    >> *One* anecdotal report claims that, and there have certainly been reports
    >> of
    >> oil consumption with the number of V6 Commodores on the road, but to
    >> present
    >> them as an example of an oil burning engine when most of them clearly
    >> aren't
    >> is quite disengenious IMO.

    > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    > Shoulda bought a Magna.....Zero problems 8-)
    >>



    Plenty of oil burning V6 Magnas around these days so I wouldn't be so smug.



  4. #64
    Ext User(jonz) Guest

    Re: Anyone able to contribute ?

    On 10/6/2013 7:25 PM, Clocky wrote:
    > "jonz" <disco-v8@lotsafuel.com> wrote in message
    > news:l2qvnt$ehu$1@dont-email.me...
    >> On 10/6/2013 4:51 PM, Clocky wrote:
    >>> "D Walford" <dwalford@internode.on.net> wrote in message
    >>> news:5250e34b$0$29900$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraw eb.com...
    >>>> On 06/10/2013 10:30 AM, Clocky wrote:
    >>>>> "Noddy" <me@wardengineering.com.au> wrote in message
    >>>>> news:l2p6an$d5v$1@dont-email.me...
    >>>>>> On 05/10/13 9:21 AM, Clocky wrote:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Interesting that you should pick on this problem, one you have over
    >>>>>>> exaggerated greatly to suit your end btw.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> How many times do you need to be told that I just quoted a passage of
    >>>>>> text
    >>>>>> pretty much verbatim? What is it about that that simply doesn't
    >>>>>> register
    >>>>>> with you?
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> I didn't "exaggerate" a single thing, but relayed the story exactly as
    >>>>>> it
    >>>>>> appeared in the paper you silly ****,
    >>>>>
    >>>>> You did not, you made exaggerated claim about 5-7L oil usage being
    >>>>> deemed
    >>>>> normal by Holden before revealing that the article did in fact never
    >>>>> claim
    >>>>> that. It was one extreme "customer complaint" example, which Holden
    >>>>> would
    >>>>> never deem as normal.
    >>>>
    >>>> It was what was claimed in the article, I also don't believe that Holden
    >>>> would say that it was normal but the person writing the letter stated
    >>>> that
    >>>> they said it was.
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>> Yep, that's what they said. The claim is BS, you know it, I know it. But
    >>> not
    >>> Noddy who is happy to write off an entire engine based on some anecdotal
    >>> reports of oil usage.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>>> and as I told you at the time
    >>>>>> if you had an issue with it you needed to take it up with the
    >>>>>> columnist
    >>>>>> who printed the thing.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> I even gave you his ****ing email address :)
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Did you?
    >>>>
    >>>> I posted a link to the article as well.
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>> Yes I remember reading it. What was in the article doesn't back up
    >>> assertion
    >>> put forward that Holden deem 5-7L of oil usage as normal.
    >>>
    >>> *One* anecdotal report claims that, and there have certainly been reports
    >>> of
    >>> oil consumption with the number of V6 Commodores on the road, but to
    >>> present
    >>> them as an example of an oil burning engine when most of them clearly
    >>> aren't
    >>> is quite disengenious IMO.

    >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    >> Shoulda bought a Magna.....Zero problems 8-)
    >>>

    >
    >
    > Plenty of oil burning V6 Magnas around these days so I wouldn't be so smug.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~``
    Not mine.
    >
    >



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  5. #65
    Ext User(Blue Heeler) Guest

    Re: Anyone able to contribute ?

    F Murtz wrote:

    > Noddy wrote:
    > > On 05/10/13 1:19 PM, OzOne@Crackerbox-Palace.com wrote:
    > >
    > > > Mmmmm.....So you didn't have any contact with other mechanics
    > > > working on the P76 (there were plenty of them)

    > >
    > > There wasn't actually. They didn't sell many of them at all.
    > >
    > > > Just for your information,
    > > > this was my brothers P76 Exec V8...

    > >
    > > Stop right there. I'm not interested in your imaginary bullshit.
    > >
    > >

    > May be we could research when and where an apprentice backed one off
    > a roof and figure out who he is.(the owner that is )


    I wouldn't bother. Ozliar said it, so the chances of it being bullshit
    are better than 99.99999999999%

  6. #66
    Ext User(lindsay) Guest

    Re: Anyone able to contribute ?

    On 6/10/2013 7:22 PM, Clocky wrote:
    > "lindsay" <ask.me.for.it@hornet.net.ay.you> wrote in message
    > news:52510564$0$29892$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraw eb.com...
    >> On 6/10/2013 5:17 PM, Clocky wrote:
    >>> "Noddy" <me@wardengineering.com.au> wrote in message
    >>> news:l2qt34$7q6$2@dont-email.me...
    >>>> On 06/10/13 2:59 PM, Clocky wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>> He was exaggerating as per usual, it's about 6.5L.
    >>>>
    >>>> It was a joke Joyce,
    >>>
    >>> Oh really?

    >>
    >> Jesus, *of course* it was, clocky.. ease up!! It's fairly obvious to
    >> anyone that a standard sump in a standard car isnt going to be 27
    >> litres...
    >>

    >
    > O RLY?
    >
    > Sigh... f'n noobs.


    Yeah, ****in noobs.

    >
    >
    >
    >



  7. #67
    Ext User(Noddy) Guest

    Re: Anyone able to contribute ?

    On 06/10/13 4:51 PM, Clocky wrote:

    > Yep, that's what they said. The claim is BS, you know it, I know it. But not
    > Noddy who is happy to write off an entire engine based on some anecdotal
    > reports of oil usage.


    Stop talking through your ring. You even said yourself that the engine
    is known for oil use. You just objected to the "5-7 litre" comment.

    > Yes I remember reading it. What was in the article doesn't back up assertion
    > put forward that Holden deem 5-7L of oil usage as normal.


    That's because the electronic article linked to wasn't exactly the same
    as the one that appeared in print.

    For the record, and in the hope that it finally sinks into your ignorant
    head, both the 5-7 litre consumption figure between services *and* the
    claim that "Holden said it was normal" were comments by the article's
    original author.

    They did *not* originate with me.

    > *One* anecdotal report claims that, and there have certainly been reports of
    > oil consumption with the number of V6 Commodores on the road, but to present
    > them as an example of an oil burning engine when most of them clearly aren't
    > is quite disengenious IMO.


    You're probably going to claim that you don't remember, but at the time
    you were advised that the columnist replied to the original author by
    saying that he'd had many such reports, and the following week (the
    "Carsguide" lift-out appears in the Hearld-Sun every Friday) yet another
    article from a disgruntled V6 Commy owner appeared claiming almost
    exactly the same thing.

    Make of that what you will.





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    --
    Regards,
    Noddy.

  8. #68
    Ext User(Xeno Lith) Guest

    Re: Anyone able to contribute ?

    On 6/10/13 7:25 PM, Clocky wrote:
    > "jonz" <disco-v8@lotsafuel.com> wrote in message
    > news:l2qvnt$ehu$1@dont-email.me...
    >> On 10/6/2013 4:51 PM, Clocky wrote:
    >>> "D Walford" <dwalford@internode.on.net> wrote in message
    >>> news:5250e34b$0$29900$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraw eb.com...
    >>>> On 06/10/2013 10:30 AM, Clocky wrote:
    >>>>> "Noddy" <me@wardengineering.com.au> wrote in message
    >>>>> news:l2p6an$d5v$1@dont-email.me...
    >>>>>> On 05/10/13 9:21 AM, Clocky wrote:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Interesting that you should pick on this problem, one you have over
    >>>>>>> exaggerated greatly to suit your end btw.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> How many times do you need to be told that I just quoted a passage of
    >>>>>> text
    >>>>>> pretty much verbatim? What is it about that that simply doesn't
    >>>>>> register
    >>>>>> with you?
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> I didn't "exaggerate" a single thing, but relayed the story exactly as
    >>>>>> it
    >>>>>> appeared in the paper you silly ****,
    >>>>>
    >>>>> You did not, you made exaggerated claim about 5-7L oil usage being
    >>>>> deemed
    >>>>> normal by Holden before revealing that the article did in fact never
    >>>>> claim
    >>>>> that. It was one extreme "customer complaint" example, which Holden
    >>>>> would
    >>>>> never deem as normal.
    >>>>
    >>>> It was what was claimed in the article, I also don't believe that Holden
    >>>> would say that it was normal but the person writing the letter stated
    >>>> that
    >>>> they said it was.
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>> Yep, that's what they said. The claim is BS, you know it, I know it. But
    >>> not
    >>> Noddy who is happy to write off an entire engine based on some anecdotal
    >>> reports of oil usage.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>>> and as I told you at the time
    >>>>>> if you had an issue with it you needed to take it up with the
    >>>>>> columnist
    >>>>>> who printed the thing.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> I even gave you his ****ing email address :)
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Did you?
    >>>>
    >>>> I posted a link to the article as well.
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>> Yes I remember reading it. What was in the article doesn't back up
    >>> assertion
    >>> put forward that Holden deem 5-7L of oil usage as normal.
    >>>
    >>> *One* anecdotal report claims that, and there have certainly been reports
    >>> of
    >>> oil consumption with the number of V6 Commodores on the road, but to
    >>> present
    >>> them as an example of an oil burning engine when most of them clearly
    >>> aren't
    >>> is quite disengenious IMO.

    >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    >> Shoulda bought a Magna.....Zero problems 8-)
    >>>

    >
    >
    > Plenty of oil burning V6 Magnas around these days so I wouldn't be so smug.
    >
    >

    But they aren't exactly "new", are they?

    --

    Xeno

  9. #69
    Ext User(Noddy) Guest

    Re: Anyone able to contribute ?

    On 06/10/13 7:25 PM, Clocky wrote:

    > Plenty of oil burning V6 Magnas around these days so I wouldn't be so smug.


    Yeah, they're such a great car that they're still in production. Oh,
    wait, no they're not....



    --
    --
    Regards,
    Noddy.

  10. #70
    Ext User(Clocky) Guest

    Re: Anyone able to contribute ?


    "D Walford" <dwalford@internode.on.net> wrote in message
    news:52510b5d$0$29965$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraw eb.com...
    > On 06/10/2013 4:51 PM, Clocky wrote:
    >
    >> Yes I remember reading it. What was in the article doesn't back up
    >> assertion
    >> put forward that Holden deem 5-7L of oil usage as normal.
    >>
    >> *One* anecdotal report claims that, and there have certainly been reports
    >> of
    >> oil consumption with the number of V6 Commodores on the road, but to
    >> present
    >> them as an example of an oil burning engine when most of them clearly
    >> aren't
    >> is quite disengenious IMO.
    >>
    >>

    > There were a lot more than one letter about excessive oil consumption over
    > a period of a couple of weeks, I can't remember exactly how many but it
    > was around 4 and they all said much the same thing which would indicate
    > that there are quite a number of cars with the problem,


    Hardly. People like to whinge when there is a problem, and especially when
    they read others having the same problem. For everyone who complains you
    don't hear about the 100's that have no reason to.


    the
    > newspaper isn't going to print every letter they get on the same subject
    > so the only people who would know the extent of the problem would be
    > Holden and they aren't likely to make that info public.


    No manufacturer likes bad press. But Holden always was one of the more open
    companies in that regard. Recalls and reworks were never made secret unlike
    Ford where they would get done when the car was in for service without the
    customer knowing. Subaru and Suzuki simply don't acknowledge faults.
    According to them they simply don't occur, end of story.

    Getting them to pay a claim is almost impossible. Luckily not much goes
    wrong with them.

    > Its supposedly a problem with a breather and last time I read anything
    > about it dealers were waiting for Holden to release a fix.


    That was released last year or so. There are also plenty of reports of cars
    fixing themselves as if it's a running/oil issue. Perhaps people are getting
    their oil changed to synthetics too soon or wrong grade.


    > Any manufacturer can have can have problems with their products but IMO
    > its how they go about dealing with the problem and the way they treat the
    > customer is what matters, some car dealers stuff people around for the
    > hell of it whilst others do the right thing.
    >


    Absolutely, Holden are nowhere near as open as they once were, but then
    there isn't people lining up to own locally produced stuff these days
    either.








  11. #71
    Ext User(Noddy) Guest

    Re: Anyone able to contribute ?

    On 06/10/13 5:17 PM, Clocky wrote:

    > Oh really?


    Yeah, really. Apparently it went high enough over your head to pass a
    small planet through the gap and you not feel any gravitational pull.



    --
    --
    Regards,
    Noddy.

  12. #72
    Ext User(Noddy) Guest

    Re: Anyone able to contribute ?

    On 06/10/13 4:51 PM, Clocky wrote:

    > *One* anecdotal report claims that, and there have certainly been reports of
    > oil consumption with the number of V6 Commodores on the road, but to present
    > them as an example of an oil burning engine when most of them clearly aren't
    > is quite disengenious IMO.


    Just as an aside, you might like to read this:
    > http://www.carsguide.com.au/tools-an...v6_oil_burning


    This is a follow up to the original article I saw in the paper and
    quoted the contents of here. Notice, if you will, that it is the
    *author* of the article who claims he is being told by his servicing
    dealer that 5-7 litres of oil consumption between scheduled services is
    normal.

    Oh, and just to show that it's not an isolated event, here's another case:
    > http://www.carsguide.com.au/tools-an..._sv6_oil_level


    And another:
    > http://www.carsguide.com.au/tools-an...re_oil_burning


    And another:
    > http://www.carsguide.com.au/tools-an...il_consumption


    And another:
    > http://www.carsguide.com.au/tools-an...mega_oil_usage


    And another:
    > http://www.carsguide.com.au/tools-an...is_oil_problem


    Sorry, but that's all I could find in the five minutes I was prepared to
    look. Perhaps it's just me, but that kind of suggests there is a
    problem. Of course you being the resident "trade expert, you're likely
    to deny one exists.

    Mainly because you're a ****ing idiot :)






    --
    --
    Regards,
    Noddy.

  13. #73
    Ext User(D Walford) Guest

    Re: Anyone able to contribute ?

    On 06/10/2013 8:10 PM, Clocky wrote:
    > "D Walford" <dwalford@internode.on.net> wrote in message
    > news:52510b5d$0$29965$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraw eb.com...
    >> On 06/10/2013 4:51 PM, Clocky wrote:
    >>
    >>> Yes I remember reading it. What was in the article doesn't back up
    >>> assertion
    >>> put forward that Holden deem 5-7L of oil usage as normal.
    >>>
    >>> *One* anecdotal report claims that, and there have certainly been reports
    >>> of
    >>> oil consumption with the number of V6 Commodores on the road, but to
    >>> present
    >>> them as an example of an oil burning engine when most of them clearly
    >>> aren't
    >>> is quite disengenious IMO.
    >>>
    >>>

    >> There were a lot more than one letter about excessive oil consumption over
    >> a period of a couple of weeks, I can't remember exactly how many but it
    >> was around 4 and they all said much the same thing which would indicate
    >> that there are quite a number of cars with the problem,

    >
    > Hardly. People like to whinge when there is a problem, and especially when
    > they read others having the same problem. For everyone who complains you
    > don't hear about the 100's that have no reason to.


    True but it doesn't mean the problem isn't real, I once saw a warranty
    claim for a Cortina alloy wheel claiming that the holes for the wheel
    studs weren't drilled, if I hadn't seen the wheel with my own eyes I
    would have said the claim was bullshit but it was spot on.
    >
    >
    > the
    >> newspaper isn't going to print every letter they get on the same subject
    >> so the only people who would know the extent of the problem would be
    >> Holden and they aren't likely to make that info public.

    >
    > No manufacturer likes bad press. But Holden always was one of the more open
    > companies in that regard. Recalls and reworks were never made secret unlike
    > Ford where they would get done when the car was in for service without the
    > customer knowing. Subaru and Suzuki simply don't acknowledge faults.
    > According to them they simply don't occur, end of story.


    That certainly wasn't the case when I worked for Ford but that was a
    long time ago.
    Never had anything to do with Suzuki but Subaru have acknowledged
    problems with us, even acknowledged that our recent gearbox problem is
    common but that was the dealer not Subaru, we also got a recall letter
    for a part that our car doesn't have.
    >
    > Getting them to pay a claim is almost impossible. Luckily not much goes
    > wrong with them.
    >
    >> Its supposedly a problem with a breather and last time I read anything
    >> about it dealers were waiting for Holden to release a fix.

    >
    > That was released last year or so.


    If that is correct it didn't work because the letter in the paper was
    this year.

    There are also plenty of reports of cars
    > fixing themselves as if it's a running/oil issue. Perhaps people are getting
    > their oil changed to synthetics too soon or wrong grade.


    That's possible, my son's AE86 burns synthetic oil but is fine with
    mineral oil.




    --
    Daryl

  14. #74
    Ext User(Xeno Lith) Guest

    Re: Anyone able to contribute ?

    On 6/10/13 8:07 PM, Noddy wrote:
    > On 06/10/13 7:25 PM, Clocky wrote:
    >
    >> Plenty of oil burning V6 Magnas around these days so I wouldn't be so
    >> smug.

    >
    > Yeah, they're such a great car that they're still in production. Oh,
    > wait, no they're not....
    >
    >
    >

    And your Falcons and Holdens will soon go the same way!

    --

    Xeno

  15. #75
    Ext User(Xeno Lith) Guest

    Re: Anyone able to contribute ?

    On 6/10/13 8:10 PM, Clocky wrote:
    > "D Walford" <dwalford@internode.on.net> wrote in message
    > news:52510b5d$0$29965$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraw eb.com...
    >> On 06/10/2013 4:51 PM, Clocky wrote:
    >>
    >>> Yes I remember reading it. What was in the article doesn't back up
    >>> assertion
    >>> put forward that Holden deem 5-7L of oil usage as normal.
    >>>
    >>> *One* anecdotal report claims that, and there have certainly been reports
    >>> of
    >>> oil consumption with the number of V6 Commodores on the road, but to
    >>> present
    >>> them as an example of an oil burning engine when most of them clearly
    >>> aren't
    >>> is quite disengenious IMO.
    >>>
    >>>

    >> There were a lot more than one letter about excessive oil consumption over
    >> a period of a couple of weeks, I can't remember exactly how many but it
    >> was around 4 and they all said much the same thing which would indicate
    >> that there are quite a number of cars with the problem,

    >
    > Hardly. People like to whinge when there is a problem, and especially when
    > they read others having the same problem. For everyone who complains you
    > don't hear about the 100's that have no reason to.
    >
    >
    > the
    >> newspaper isn't going to print every letter they get on the same subject
    >> so the only people who would know the extent of the problem would be
    >> Holden and they aren't likely to make that info public.

    >
    > No manufacturer likes bad press. But Holden always was one of the more open
    > companies in that regard. Recalls and reworks were never made secret unlike
    > Ford where they would get done when the car was in for service without the
    > customer knowing. Subaru and Suzuki simply don't acknowledge faults.
    > According to them they simply don't occur, end of story.
    >
    > Getting them to pay a claim is almost impossible. Luckily not much goes
    > wrong with them.
    >
    >> Its supposedly a problem with a breather and last time I read anything
    >> about it dealers were waiting for Holden to release a fix.

    >
    > That was released last year or so. There are also plenty of reports of cars
    > fixing themselves as if it's a running/oil issue. Perhaps people are getting
    > their oil changed to synthetics too soon or wrong grade.
    >
    >
    >> Any manufacturer can have can have problems with their products but IMO
    >> its how they go about dealing with the problem and the way they treat the
    >> customer is what matters, some car dealers stuff people around for the
    >> hell of it whilst others do the right thing.
    >>

    >
    > Absolutely, Holden are nowhere near as open as they once were, but then
    > there isn't people lining up to own locally produced stuff these days
    > either.
    >

    There's a damn good reason for that!


    --

    Xeno

  16. #76
    Ext User(jonz) Guest

    Re: Anyone able to contribute ?

    On 10/6/2013 8:38 PM, Xeno Lith wrote:
    > On 6/10/13 8:07 PM, Noddy wrote:
    >> On 06/10/13 7:25 PM, Clocky wrote:
    >>
    >>> Plenty of oil burning V6 Magnas around these days so I wouldn't be so
    >>> smug.

    >>
    >> Yeah, they're such a great car that they're still in production. Oh,
    >> wait, no they're not....
    >>
    >>
    >>

    > And your Falcons and Holdens will soon go the same way!

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Prezacaly............
    >



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  17. #77
    Ext User(Xeno Lith) Guest

    Re: Anyone able to contribute ?

    On 6/10/13 8:40 PM, D Walford wrote:
    > On 06/10/2013 8:10 PM, Clocky wrote:
    >> "D Walford" <dwalford@internode.on.net> wrote in message
    >> news:52510b5d$0$29965$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraw eb.com...
    >>> On 06/10/2013 4:51 PM, Clocky wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> Yes I remember reading it. What was in the article doesn't back up
    >>>> assertion
    >>>> put forward that Holden deem 5-7L of oil usage as normal.
    >>>>
    >>>> *One* anecdotal report claims that, and there have certainly been
    >>>> reports
    >>>> of
    >>>> oil consumption with the number of V6 Commodores on the road, but to
    >>>> present
    >>>> them as an example of an oil burning engine when most of them clearly
    >>>> aren't
    >>>> is quite disengenious IMO.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>> There were a lot more than one letter about excessive oil consumption
    >>> over
    >>> a period of a couple of weeks, I can't remember exactly how many but it
    >>> was around 4 and they all said much the same thing which would indicate
    >>> that there are quite a number of cars with the problem,

    >>
    >> Hardly. People like to whinge when there is a problem, and especially
    >> when
    >> they read others having the same problem. For everyone who complains you
    >> don't hear about the 100's that have no reason to.

    >
    > True but it doesn't mean the problem isn't real, I once saw a warranty
    > claim for a Cortina alloy wheel claiming that the holes for the wheel
    > studs weren't drilled, if I hadn't seen the wheel with my own eyes I
    > would have said the claim was bullshit but it was spot on.
    >>

    An undrilled Cortina alloy wheel has what relevance to oil burning on a
    Commodore exactly??
    >>

    <snip>

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    Xeno

  18. #78
    Ext User(Clocky) Guest

    Re: Anyone able to contribute ?


    "D Walford" <dwalford@internode.on.net> wrote in message
    news:52510c56$0$2820$c3e8da3$76491128@news.astrawe b.com...
    > On 06/10/2013 4:41 PM, Clocky wrote:
    >
    >> It was resolved year ago. It's not the wholesale problem you make it out
    >> to
    >> be.

    >
    > What was the fix?
    > Last thing I read on the subject a couple of weeks ago said that dealers
    > were still waiting for a new breather set up that would fix the V6 oil use
    > problem.
    >


    That service techline came out last year IIRC. I could bother some people
    with direct access for detail next time I'm in the metro area, if I think
    of it.

    No reports on the VF that I'm aware of.




  19. #79
    Ext User(Noddy) Guest

    Re: Anyone able to contribute ?

    On 06/10/13 8:10 PM, Clocky wrote:

    > Hardly. People like to whinge when there is a problem, and especially when
    > they read others having the same problem. For everyone who complains you
    > don't hear about the 100's that have no reason to.


    So that means that the people who have a problem *shouldn't* complain?

    > No manufacturer likes bad press. But Holden always was one of the more open
    > companies in that regard.


    **** me Nelly...... :)

    This is the company who kept on selling GenIII equipped cars for
    *months* despite knowing *well* in advance of every sale that the
    engines had problems and that most owners would be affected. Not only
    did they continue to sell *known* faulty cars, but they went out of
    their way to cover up the fact that they were doing so even when every
    motoring journal in the country was calling them for it and some going
    as far as demanding that there be a recall.

    You have *got* to be ****ing joking....

    > Recalls and reworks were never made secret unlike
    > Ford where they would get done when the car was in for service without the
    > customer knowing.


    Ford's attitude has been piss poor for years, but that doesn't let
    Holden off the hook. Nor does it make them a shining light by
    comparison. As much as you might like to try and make them look.

    > Subaru and Suzuki simply don't acknowledge faults.
    > According to them they simply don't occur, end of story.


    Don't forget Toyota. someone has to die before they think about doing
    anything about their defective vehciles :)

    > That was released last year or so. There are also plenty of reports of cars
    > fixing themselves as if it's a running/oil issue. Perhaps people are getting
    > their oil changed to synthetics too soon or wrong grade.


    Fixing *themselves*?

    Wow :)

    > Absolutely, Holden are nowhere near as open as they once were, but then
    > there isn't people lining up to own locally produced stuff these days
    > either.


    So what are you saying? There degree of "openness" should depend on how
    well they're doing?

    I hat e to burst your bubble, but the basic facts of the matter are that
    Holden owners out there have problems, and the dealers (who are Holden's
    representatives) are basically ****ing them about.

    That might not be Holden's fault directly, but at the end of the day
    it's Holden who makes the car and releases it for sale, and they call
    the shots on how their franchisees operate.


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    Regards,
    Noddy.

  20. #80
    Ext User(Clocky) Guest

    Re: Anyone able to contribute ?


    "Xeno Lith" <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
    news:l2rb4t$1f1$2@dont-email.me...
    > On 6/10/13 8:10 PM, Clocky wrote:
    >> "D Walford" <dwalford@internode.on.net> wrote in message
    >> news:52510b5d$0$29965$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraw eb.com...
    >>> On 06/10/2013 4:51 PM, Clocky wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> Yes I remember reading it. What was in the article doesn't back up
    >>>> assertion
    >>>> put forward that Holden deem 5-7L of oil usage as normal.
    >>>>
    >>>> *One* anecdotal report claims that, and there have certainly been
    >>>> reports
    >>>> of
    >>>> oil consumption with the number of V6 Commodores on the road, but to
    >>>> present
    >>>> them as an example of an oil burning engine when most of them clearly
    >>>> aren't
    >>>> is quite disengenious IMO.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>> There were a lot more than one letter about excessive oil consumption
    >>> over
    >>> a period of a couple of weeks, I can't remember exactly how many but it
    >>> was around 4 and they all said much the same thing which would indicate
    >>> that there are quite a number of cars with the problem,

    >>
    >> Hardly. People like to whinge when there is a problem, and especially
    >> when
    >> they read others having the same problem. For everyone who complains you
    >> don't hear about the 100's that have no reason to.
    >>
    >>
    >> the
    >>> newspaper isn't going to print every letter they get on the same subject
    >>> so the only people who would know the extent of the problem would be
    >>> Holden and they aren't likely to make that info public.

    >>
    >> No manufacturer likes bad press. But Holden always was one of the more
    >> open
    >> companies in that regard. Recalls and reworks were never made secret
    >> unlike
    >> Ford where they would get done when the car was in for service without
    >> the
    >> customer knowing. Subaru and Suzuki simply don't acknowledge faults.
    >> According to them they simply don't occur, end of story.
    >>
    >> Getting them to pay a claim is almost impossible. Luckily not much goes
    >> wrong with them.
    >>
    >>> Its supposedly a problem with a breather and last time I read anything
    >>> about it dealers were waiting for Holden to release a fix.

    >>
    >> That was released last year or so. There are also plenty of reports of
    >> cars
    >> fixing themselves as if it's a running/oil issue. Perhaps people are
    >> getting
    >> their oil changed to synthetics too soon or wrong grade.
    >>
    >>
    >>> Any manufacturer can have can have problems with their products but IMO
    >>> its how they go about dealing with the problem and the way they treat
    >>> the
    >>> customer is what matters, some car dealers stuff people around for the
    >>> hell of it whilst others do the right thing.
    >>>

    >>
    >> Absolutely, Holden are nowhere near as open as they once were, but then
    >> there isn't people lining up to own locally produced stuff these days
    >> either.
    >>

    > There's a damn good reason for that!
    >



    There are numerous reasons.



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