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  1. #101
    Ext User(Noddy) Guest

    Re: VH Commodre broke in half

    On 11/10/13 10:25 AM, D Walford wrote:

    > I T boned a Mazda at about 60kph with a VK Commodore and the damage to
    > both cars was very significantly more than the damage to the Mazda in
    > the picture which is why I think the impact was a lot lower than the
    > 100kph Holden claimed, by the look of it the Mazda drivers claim of
    > braking from 80kph seems a lot more realistic and its no where near high
    > enough to cause that much damage to the Commodore unless there was a
    > structural weakness.


    Agreed.

    Despite the claims of some the Mazda is simply *not* severely damaged,
    and had the accident genuinely been severe it would have suffered *way*
    more damage that what we see in the photos.

    It's not like the old Mazda was a Chevy Impala :)



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  2. #102
    Ext User(Noddy) Guest

    Re: VH Commodre broke in half

    On 11/10/13 10:49 AM, Clocky wrote:

    > It's irrelevant because she didn't T-bone the Commodore.


    Yeah, she did. She hit it right in the rear wheel at a slight angle.

    > Which was shown to be nonsense when properly investigated.


    Clearly you've read the report. Would you mind sharing it's details with us?





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  3. #103
    Ext User(Clocky) Guest

    Re: VH Commodre broke in half


    "Noddy" <me@wardengineering.com.au> wrote in message
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    > On 09/10/13 12:20 PM, Clocky wrote:
    >
    >> It doesn't happen too often, but then true lemons aren't that common
    >> either.

    >
    > That's a big call. I've seen more than a few cars that have had multiple
    > repairs for the same problem over the course of their warranty period and
    > I would consider those to be lemons.
    >



    Ofcourse you have.



  4. #104
    Ext User(Clocky) Guest

    Re: VH Commodre broke in half


    "D Walford" <dwalford@internode.on.net> wrote in message
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    > On 09/10/2013 12:20 PM, Clocky wrote:
    >
    >>> It certainly isn't specific to any car company but I think they would
    >>> set
    >>> a better precedent by actually admitting that occasionally they make a
    >>> lemon and just replace them.

    >>
    >> No arguement there. When I was working for Holden I do know of one car
    >> they
    >> took back but the customer only had the option of accepting a replacement
    >> vehicle from memory.
    >> That was for a car with an intermittent cutting out problem where
    >> everything
    >> was replaced. The fault was so unique that engineers were flown in to
    >> have a
    >> look at this thing before determining it was best to take it back for
    >> further assessment.
    >> It doesn't happen too often, but then true lemons aren't that common
    >> either.

    >
    > I know of 2 when I worked at Ford, one was an XC Fairmont GXL V8 and I
    > actually drove the car for a couple of days after it was replaced and I
    > would have been happy to keep it, can't remember the details of the other
    > car.
    > I also remember a Bronco getting a new body shell because of rust, it
    > spent most of its life on a beach and but the owner still complained that
    > it rusted, they dismantled it and put all the parts in order back on the
    > production line and ran the new shell down the line fitting all its
    > original parts.


    I remember a couple of really troublesome Holdens, both Opel based (One was
    a Calibra, the other was a Vectra IIRC), that were true lemons to the point
    that Holden came to the party and came to some arrangement with the owners.


    >>
    >>> The lemon Mazda I bought in 1984 is a good example, after the way I was
    >>> treated by Mazda and the dealer I would never own another and I go out
    >>> of
    >>> my way to let people know what I feel about Mazda and I have persuaded a
    >>> few people not to buy Mazda's but if they had done the right thing and
    >>> not
    >>> ****ed me around I wouldn't be complaining but now I will continue to
    >>> bad
    >>> mouth them till the day I die.
    >>>

    >>
    >> It doesn't seem to have affected their sales too much ;-)
    >>
    >>
    >>

    > Unfortunately, I would be happy if the miserable ****s went broke.
    >


    I'll never buy a Mazda.



  5. #105
    Ext User(Noddy) Guest

    Re: VH Commodre broke in half

    On 12/10/13 8:42 AM, Clocky wrote:

    > Ofcourse you have.


    Do intend on adding *anything* of value to this conversation ever, or do
    you now exist purely for the purpose of saying "no"?





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  6. #106
    Ext User(Noddy) Guest

    Re: VH Commodre broke in half

    On 12/10/13 9:30 AM, Clocky wrote:

    > I remember a couple of really troublesome Holdens, both Opel based (One was
    > a Calibra, the other was a Vectra IIRC), that were true lemons to the point
    > that Holden came to the party and came to some arrangement with the owners.


    That's just a couple of examples that you "can remember" from the
    dealership you worked at, how long ago again?

    > I'll never buy a Mazda.


    Why do you give a **** who makes the car? Do you honestly believe that
    they're different in some way?




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  7. #107
    Ext User(Jason James) Guest

    Re: VH Commodre broke in half

    On
    > >>

    >
    > > Unfortunately, I would be happy if the miserable ****s went broke.

    >
    > >

    >
    >
    >
    > I'll never buy a Mazda.


    My sentiments exactly,....now :-(

    Jason


  8. #108
    Ext User(Noddy) Guest

    Re: VH Commodre broke in half

    On 12/10/13 12:04 PM, Jason James wrote:

    > My sentiments exactly,....now :-(


    Jesus, what's wrong with you people? Why criticise the brand based on
    *one* bad experience?

    Mazda are no different to *any* other manufacturer in that they've made
    their good *and* bad products, and you in particular Jason are being
    especially silly in that you're criticising the company for a car you
    bought second hand that sounds like it had the **** kicked out of it
    before you got it.







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  9. #109
    Ext User(D Walford) Guest

    Re: VH Commodre broke in half

    On 12/10/2013 9:39 AM, Noddy wrote:
    > On 12/10/13 9:30 AM, Clocky wrote:
    >
    >> I remember a couple of really troublesome Holdens, both Opel based
    >> (One was
    >> a Calibra, the other was a Vectra IIRC), that were true lemons to the
    >> point
    >> that Holden came to the party and came to some arrangement with the
    >> owners.

    >
    > That's just a couple of examples that you "can remember" from the
    > dealership you worked at, how long ago again?
    >
    >> I'll never buy a Mazda.

    >
    > Why do you give a **** who makes the car? Do you honestly believe that
    > they're different in some way?
    >
    >
    >

    In my case it wasn't so much the problem with the vehicle that pissed me
    off but the attitude of the dealer and the company, any make can have
    problems but what sets them apart is the way they treat the customer.
    I have never had serious issues with any other make so I haven't been
    forced to find out how other makes behave in that situation but our
    recent experience with Toyota and Subaru warranty make me think they are
    a lot better than Mazda, my problem with Mazda was along time ago and I
    would be surprised if they haven't improved but they very much needed to
    because their attitude in the 80's was appalling.



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  10. #110
    Ext User(Xeno Lith) Guest

    Re: VH Commodre broke in half

    On 12/10/13 1:15 PM, D Walford wrote:
    > On 12/10/2013 9:39 AM, Noddy wrote:
    >> On 12/10/13 9:30 AM, Clocky wrote:
    >>
    >>> I remember a couple of really troublesome Holdens, both Opel based
    >>> (One was
    >>> a Calibra, the other was a Vectra IIRC), that were true lemons to the
    >>> point
    >>> that Holden came to the party and came to some arrangement with the
    >>> owners.

    >>
    >> That's just a couple of examples that you "can remember" from the
    >> dealership you worked at, how long ago again?
    >>
    >>> I'll never buy a Mazda.

    >>
    >> Why do you give a **** who makes the car? Do you honestly believe that
    >> they're different in some way?
    >>
    >>
    >>

    > In my case it wasn't so much the problem with the vehicle that pissed me
    > off but the attitude of the dealer and the company, any make can have
    > problems but what sets them apart is the way they treat the customer.
    > I have never had serious issues with any other make so I haven't been
    > forced to find out how other makes behave in that situation but our
    > recent experience with Toyota and Subaru warranty make me think they are
    > a lot better than Mazda, my problem with Mazda was along time ago and I
    > would be surprised if they haven't improved but they very much needed to
    > because their attitude in the 80's was appalling.
    >
    >
    >

    Mazda dealership attitudes in the 90s were no better. The only Mazda
    dealer in Melbourne that had a clue was City Mazda in Elizabeth Street,
    Nth Melb. Ringwood Mazda and Max Kirwan Mazda were hopeless in the
    extreme. City Mazda was a pain the get to from the Eastern Suburbs so I
    moved to Toyota and never had a dealership problem since.

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  11. #111
    Ext User(Jason James) Guest

    Re: VH Commodre broke in half

    On S

    >
    > Mazda are no different to *any* other manufacturer in that they've made
    >
    > their good *and* bad products, and you in particular Jason are being
    >
    > especially silly in that you're criticising the company for a car you
    >
    > bought second hand that sounds like it had the **** kicked out of it
    >
    > before you got it.


    Yes,..fair comment....it's just that the body-interior is like new,....doesn't stop the previous owner from caning it I guess.

    Jason

  12. #112
    Ext User(Noddy) Guest

    Re: VH Commodre broke in half

    On 12/10/13 1:15 PM, D Walford wrote:

    > In my case it wasn't so much the problem with the vehicle that pissed me
    > off but the attitude of the dealer and the company, any make can have
    > problems but what sets them apart is the way they treat the customer.


    I'd bet the house that they're *all* not only capable of doing that, but
    have been there before many times.

    >






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  13. #113
    Ext User(D Walford) Guest

    Re: VH Commodre broke in half

    On 12/10/2013 7:10 PM, Noddy wrote:
    > On 12/10/13 1:15 PM, D Walford wrote:
    >
    >> In my case it wasn't so much the problem with the vehicle that pissed me
    >> off but the attitude of the dealer and the company, any make can have
    >> problems but what sets them apart is the way they treat the customer.

    >
    > I'd bet the house that they're *all* not only capable of doing that, but
    > have been there before many times.
    >


    Very likely.


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