Re: digital radio trials

When will digital radio start for good in Os....

What is the frequency range ?!?

(No links pls - just answers)

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Bob Bain <bob_bainMUNG@tpg.com.au> wrote in message news:<0b92uvsftplbup7oh3drloq9b734v2pel7@4ax.com>. ..
> slightly "off-topic" but pertinent I believe...
>
> http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/s1012250.htm
>
> Digital radio pilot switched on
>
> A new digital radio trial has started in Sydney.
>
> Eleven stations including ABC Classic FM, ABC dig Internet radio, SBS
> and all commercial radio networks have started broadcasting as part of
> an 18 month long industry wide pilot program.
>
> The Federal Communications Minister, Daryl Williams, switched on the
> digital service at a function in Sydney.
>
> One hundred listeners have been selected to take part in the trial.
>
> Commercial Radio Australia chief executive Joan Warners says digital
> radio provides many benefits including a more robust signal and
> crystal clear sound.

yipee yahoo wrote:
> When will digital radio start for good in Os....

The launch date for DAB, or even if we will use it, is yet to be decided.

> What is the frequency range ?!?

Again, the set of DAB frequencies is undecided, although Band 2 (aka VHF TV
band) is looking promising.

As for other forms of digital radio, like DVB - that's going, and MPEG2 via
sat, that's going...

DRM will be good for those in rural and remote areas.

I'm trying to understand how frequencies will be displayed on a DAB digital
radio.

Would I be right in saying digital radio frequencies will be like VHF and
UHF TV frequencies - the frequency itself is not displayed, rather a channel
number representing that frequency will be displayed, correct?

So Nova 100 may appear on Digital Radio Channel 80, and Mix 101.1 will be on
Channel 81, and Fox on Channel 82, etc.

Visiting some UK web sites recently, this is the impression I'm getting. I
imagine that having channel numbers rather than frequency numbers may be
considered more consumer friendly.

"BearCave" <bearcave75@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3ffecae8$0$25564$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.a u...
> I'm trying to understand how frequencies will be displayed on a DAB
digital
> radio.
>
> Would I be right in saying digital radio frequencies will be like VHF and
> UHF TV frequencies - the frequency itself is not displayed, rather a
channel
> number representing that frequency will be displayed, correct?
>
> So Nova 100 may appear on Digital Radio Channel 80, and Mix 101.1 will be
on
> Channel 81, and Fox on Channel 82, etc.
>
> Visiting some UK web sites recently, this is the impression I'm getting.
I
> imagine that having channel numbers rather than frequency numbers may be
> considered more consumer friendly.
>
Yesterday i looked up the link that Nathan supplied,
http://www.digitalradioaustralia.com.au/ and it was saying on there that
you wont put in a frequency, instead you will look for the name of the radio
station you wish to listen to. So for example, in Newcastle we wont tune
into 106.9 we will look for NXFM.

Raiders2004 / HRT wrote:
> "BearCave" <bearcave75@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:3ffecae8$0$25564$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.a u...
>> I'm trying to understand how frequencies will be displayed on a DAB
>> digital radio.
>>
>> Would I be right in saying digital radio frequencies will be like
>> VHF and UHF TV frequencies - the frequency itself is not displayed,
>> rather a channel number representing that frequency will be
>> displayed, correct?
>>
>> So Nova 100 may appear on Digital Radio Channel 80, and Mix 101.1
>> will be on Channel 81, and Fox on Channel 82, etc.
>>
>> Visiting some UK web sites recently, this is the impression I'm
>> getting. I imagine that having channel numbers rather than frequency
>> numbers may be considered more consumer friendly.
>>
> Yesterday i looked up the link that Nathan supplied,
> http://www.digitalradioaustralia.com.au/ and it was saying on there
> that you wont put in a frequency, instead you will look for the name
> of the radio station you wish to listen to. So for example, in
> Newcastle we wont tune into 106.9 we will look for NXFM.

You can do that now with RDS enabled FM radios. But you still need some sort
of numerical system, as Justin thought.

"Raiders2004 / HRT" <getfucked@with.ur.virus> wrote in message
news:3fff2bfd_1@news.iprimus.com.au...
>
> "BearCave" <bearcave75@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:3ffecae8$0$25564$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.a u...
> > I'm trying to understand how frequencies will be displayed on a DAB
> digital
> > radio.
> >
> > Would I be right in saying digital radio frequencies will be like VHF
and
> > UHF TV frequencies - the frequency itself is not displayed, rather a
> channel
> > number representing that frequency will be displayed, correct?
> >
> > So Nova 100 may appear on Digital Radio Channel 80, and Mix 101.1 will
be
> on
> > Channel 81, and Fox on Channel 82, etc.
> >
> > Visiting some UK web sites recently, this is the impression I'm getting.
> I
> > imagine that having channel numbers rather than frequency numbers may be
> > considered more consumer friendly.
> >
> Yesterday i looked up the link that Nathan supplied,
> http://www.digitalradioaustralia.com.au/ and it was saying on there that
> you wont put in a frequency, instead you will look for the name of the
radio
> station you wish to listen to. So for example, in Newcastle we wont tune
> into 106.9 we will look for NXFM.

What a beauty! The ABC Local radio stations went through a re-branding
exercise while back - 4QR became 612, 3LO became 774 etc ad infinitum. Now,
with digital radio, they'll have to un-brand themselves. 3LO - here we
come, again!

"Harold" <harold [at] clotmail.com> wrote in message news:4001fa42$0$26116

> What a beauty! The ABC Local radio stations went through a re-branding
> exercise while back - 4QR became 612, 3LO became 774 etc ad infinitum.
Now,
> with digital radio, they'll have to un-brand themselves. 3LO - here we
> come, again!

History turns full-circle (thinking of the old radios with the station
callsigns listed on the dial)!

Frequency is fine for the technically-inclined but an irrelevancy for
others.

Peter

Don't get too excited, Harold. They'll probably use their current id's.
Example, 3LO would be ABC MELB, 4QR would be ABC BRIS, etc. That would make
most sense, as they ID in that way "774 ABC Melbourne", etc. I don't know
about you (although I can guess!) but I don't want ABC wasting my money on
another rebranding campaign after having just done it.

peter taylor
on the soapbox
brisbane

"Harold" <harold [at] clotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4001fa42$0$26116$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.a u...
> "Raiders2004 / HRT" <getfucked@with.ur.virus> wrote in message
> news:3fff2bfd_1@news.iprimus.com.au...
> >
> > "BearCave" <bearcave75@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:3ffecae8$0$25564$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.a u...
> > > I'm trying to understand how frequencies will be displayed on a DAB
> > digital
> > > radio.
> > >
> > > Would I be right in saying digital radio frequencies will be like VHF
> and
> > > UHF TV frequencies - the frequency itself is not displayed, rather a
> > channel
> > > number representing that frequency will be displayed, correct?
> > >
> > > So Nova 100 may appear on Digital Radio Channel 80, and Mix 101.1 will
> be
> > on
> > > Channel 81, and Fox on Channel 82, etc.
> > >
> > > Visiting some UK web sites recently, this is the impression I'm
getting.
> > I
> > > imagine that having channel numbers rather than frequency numbers may
be
> > > considered more consumer friendly.
> > >
> > Yesterday i looked up the link that Nathan supplied,
> > http://www.digitalradioaustralia.com.au/ and it was saying on there
that
> > you wont put in a frequency, instead you will look for the name of the
> radio
> > station you wish to listen to. So for example, in Newcastle we wont tune
> > into 106.9 we will look for NXFM.
>
> What a beauty! The ABC Local radio stations went through a re-branding
> exercise while back - 4QR became 612, 3LO became 774 etc ad infinitum.
Now,
> with digital radio, they'll have to un-brand themselves. 3LO - here we
> come, again!
>
>

Who's money?

"Soapbox" <mrptaylor@dodo.com.au> wrote in message
news:40021292$1@news.comindico.com.au...
> Don't get too excited, Harold. They'll probably use their current id's.
> Example, 3LO would be ABC MELB, 4QR would be ABC BRIS, etc. That would
make
> most sense, as they ID in that way "774 ABC Melbourne", etc. I don't know
> about you (although I can guess!) but I don't want ABC wasting my money on
> another rebranding campaign after having just done it.
>
> peter taylor
> on the soapbox
> brisbane
>
> "Harold" <harold [at] clotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:4001fa42$0$26116$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.a u...
> > "Raiders2004 / HRT" <getfucked@with.ur.virus> wrote in message
> > news:3fff2bfd_1@news.iprimus.com.au...
> > >
> > > "BearCave" <bearcave75@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:3ffecae8$0$25564$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.a u...
> > > > I'm trying to understand how frequencies will be displayed on a DAB
> > > digital
> > > > radio.
> > > >
> > > > Would I be right in saying digital radio frequencies will be like
VHF
> > and
> > > > UHF TV frequencies - the frequency itself is not displayed, rather a
> > > channel
> > > > number representing that frequency will be displayed, correct?
> > > >
> > > > So Nova 100 may appear on Digital Radio Channel 80, and Mix 101.1
will
> > be
> > > on
> > > > Channel 81, and Fox on Channel 82, etc.
> > > >
> > > > Visiting some UK web sites recently, this is the impression I'm
> getting.
> > > I
> > > > imagine that having channel numbers rather than frequency numbers
may
> be
> > > > considered more consumer friendly.
> > > >
> > > Yesterday i looked up the link that Nathan supplied,
> > > http://www.digitalradioaustralia.com.au/ and it was saying on there
> that
> > > you wont put in a frequency, instead you will look for the name of the
> > radio
> > > station you wish to listen to. So for example, in Newcastle we wont
tune
> > > into 106.9 we will look for NXFM.
> >
> > What a beauty! The ABC Local radio stations went through a re-branding
> > exercise while back - 4QR became 612, 3LO became 774 etc ad infinitum.
> Now,
> > with digital radio, they'll have to un-brand themselves. 3LO - here we
> > come, again!
> >
> >
>
>

Umm, where do you think ABC funding comes from, thomo? Lemme give you a
hint: TAX.

peter taylor
on the soapbox
brisbane

"thomo" <thomo@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
news:400221be$0$26118$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.a u...
> Who's money?
>
> "Soapbox" <mrptaylor@dodo.com.au> wrote in message
> news:40021292$1@news.comindico.com.au...
> > Don't get too excited, Harold. They'll probably use their current id's.
> > Example, 3LO would be ABC MELB, 4QR would be ABC BRIS, etc. That would
> make
> > most sense, as they ID in that way "774 ABC Melbourne", etc. I don't
know
> > about you (although I can guess!) but I don't want ABC wasting my money
on
> > another rebranding campaign after having just done it.
> >
> > peter taylor
> > on the soapbox
> > brisbane
> >
> > "Harold" <harold [at] clotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:4001fa42$0$26116$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.a u...
> > > "Raiders2004 / HRT" <getfucked@with.ur.virus> wrote in message
> > > news:3fff2bfd_1@news.iprimus.com.au...
> > > >
> > > > "BearCave" <bearcave75@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:3ffecae8$0$25564$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.a u...
> > > > > I'm trying to understand how frequencies will be displayed on a
DAB
> > > > digital
> > > > > radio.
> > > > >
> > > > > Would I be right in saying digital radio frequencies will be like
> VHF
> > > and
> > > > > UHF TV frequencies - the frequency itself is not displayed, rather
a
> > > > channel
> > > > > number representing that frequency will be displayed, correct?
> > > > >
> > > > > So Nova 100 may appear on Digital Radio Channel 80, and Mix 101.1
> will
> > > be
> > > > on
> > > > > Channel 81, and Fox on Channel 82, etc.
> > > > >
> > > > > Visiting some UK web sites recently, this is the impression I'm
> > getting.
> > > > I
> > > > > imagine that having channel numbers rather than frequency numbers
> may
> > be
> > > > > considered more consumer friendly.
> > > > >
> > > > Yesterday i looked up the link that Nathan supplied,
> > > > http://www.digitalradioaustralia.com.au/ and it was saying on there
> > that
> > > > you wont put in a frequency, instead you will look for the name of
the
> > > radio
> > > > station you wish to listen to. So for example, in Newcastle we wont
> tune
> > > > into 106.9 we will look for NXFM.
> > >
> > > What a beauty! The ABC Local radio stations went through a
re-branding
> > > exercise while back - 4QR became 612, 3LO became 774 etc ad infinitum.
> > Now,
> > > with digital radio, they'll have to un-brand themselves. 3LO - here
we
> > > come, again!
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

"Soapbox" <mrptaylor@dodo.com.au> wrote in message
news:40021292$1@news.comindico.com.au...
> Don't get too excited, Harold. They'll probably use their current id's.
> Example, 3LO would be ABC MELB, 4QR would be ABC BRIS, etc. That would
make
> most sense, as they ID in that way "774 ABC Melbourne", etc.

I can see several problems with that:

1. When 3LO, etc networks state-wide country listeners would resent 'ABC
Melbourne' and prefer 'ABC Victoria', etc.

2. Thus the station would have to choose between disenfranchising the
country people or making the service seem less local for capital city
residents (which gives competitors like 3AW an advantage in being 'local').

3. Or they could alternate between 'ABC Melbourne' and 'ABC Victoria' with
the resultant confusion of not having a consistent station name.

4. ABC radio is not just 3LO and the like. It includes JJJ, RN & Classic
FM. Calling it ABC (whatever) de-emphasises these other stations and in my
view is a 'weaker' name than 3LO or 6WF, etc. Though if people say that
they heard something on 'the ABC' you can be fairly sure that it was either
RN or 3LO (and not Triple J).

5. Though it's not ideal, I prefer 'ABC Local Melbourne' or 'Melbourne ABC
Local', with displays just changing the location tag as you drive or switch
stations.

6. A difficulty is that ABC Local tries to be many things to many people
with talk, sport and some music. Weekends are dominated by sport, 'soft
programs' are in the early afternoons and the late evenings contain
intelligent discussions that would not be out of place on RN. It's hard to
find a single word to describe it, though 'local' or 'talk' probably come
closest. Though even 'local' is not true after 10pm.

Any ideas Justin on 'right-branding' the ABC?

Regards, Peter

Don't disagree with you there, PP. I certainly wish they'd left it as it
was, but I'd rather they don't waste taxpayers money (get it now, thomo?!)
on rebranding so soon.

peter taylor
on the soapbox
brisbane

"Peter Parker" <parkerp@NOSPAMalphalink.com.au> wrote in message
news:400260ac@news.alphalink.com.au...
>
> "Soapbox" <mrptaylor@dodo.com.au> wrote in message
> news:40021292$1@news.comindico.com.au...
> > Don't get too excited, Harold. They'll probably use their current id's.
> > Example, 3LO would be ABC MELB, 4QR would be ABC BRIS, etc. That would
> make
> > most sense, as they ID in that way "774 ABC Melbourne", etc.
>
> I can see several problems with that:
>
> 1. When 3LO, etc networks state-wide country listeners would resent 'ABC
> Melbourne' and prefer 'ABC Victoria', etc.
>
> 2. Thus the station would have to choose between disenfranchising the
> country people or making the service seem less local for capital city
> residents (which gives competitors like 3AW an advantage in being
'local').
>
> 3. Or they could alternate between 'ABC Melbourne' and 'ABC Victoria' with
> the resultant confusion of not having a consistent station name.
>
> 4. ABC radio is not just 3LO and the like. It includes JJJ, RN & Classic
> FM. Calling it ABC (whatever) de-emphasises these other stations and in
my
> view is a 'weaker' name than 3LO or 6WF, etc. Though if people say that
> they heard something on 'the ABC' you can be fairly sure that it was
either
> RN or 3LO (and not Triple J).
>
> 5. Though it's not ideal, I prefer 'ABC Local Melbourne' or 'Melbourne ABC
> Local', with displays just changing the location tag as you drive or
switch
> stations.
>
> 6. A difficulty is that ABC Local tries to be many things to many people
> with talk, sport and some music. Weekends are dominated by sport, 'soft
> programs' are in the early afternoons and the late evenings contain
> intelligent discussions that would not be out of place on RN. It's hard
to
> find a single word to describe it, though 'local' or 'talk' probably come
> closest. Though even 'local' is not true after 10pm.
>
> Any ideas Justin on 'right-branding' the ABC?
>
> Regards, Peter
>
>

>> Example, 3LO would be ABC MELB, 4QR would be ABC BRIS, etc. That would
>make most sense, as they ID in that way "774 ABC Melbourne", etc.

I can see all kinds of promotional possibilities, especially with 4QR
(ABC BRIS). They could use the "Pomp and Circumcision March" as bumper
music.

Rich

"Peter Parker" <parkerp@NOSPAMalphalink.com.au> wrote in message news:<400260ac@news.alphalink.com.au>...

> 6. A difficulty is that ABC Local tries to be many things to many people
> with talk, sport and some music. Weekends are dominated by sport, 'soft
> programs' are in the early afternoons and the late evenings contain
> intelligent discussions that would not be out of place on RN. It's hard to
> find a single word to describe it, though 'local' or 'talk' probably come
> closest. Though even 'local' is not true after 10pm.
>
> Any ideas Justin on 'right-branding' the ABC?

I reckon the best name for 774 is and was "3LO - the Sound of
Melbourne".

Any fool who listens for more than an hour would know it's the ABC
because of its news theme.

Peter Parker wrote:
> "Soapbox" <mrptaylor@dodo.com.au> wrote in message
> news:40021292$1@news.comindico.com.au...
>> Don't get too excited, Harold. They'll probably use their current
>> id's. Example, 3LO would be ABC MELB, 4QR would be ABC BRIS, etc.
>> That would make most sense, as they ID in that way "774 ABC
>> Melbourne", etc.
>
> I can see several problems with that:
>
> 1. When 3LO, etc networks state-wide country listeners would resent
> 'ABC Melbourne' and prefer 'ABC Victoria', etc.

The country stations would probably just digitally ID with their local name
all day.