More proof of dumbing down

On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 17:33:20 +1000, Thomas 'bacco|007' Baxter
<nospam@nospam.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 13:12:08 +1000, Brenden Will wrote:
>
>> Got to spend our fuel excise on something.
>
>Hmm, that explains some strange things then - i swear that the RTA are
>repatching holes that are perfectly fine that were patched not even a month
>ago

How about .. put in a bike lane, rip it up, put in another, resurface
the road over the top of the new lane marking , do the lane marking
again.

Al
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are setting ridiculously low speed limits

"Rural QLD CC" <ruralqldcc@NOSPAMiinet.net.au> wrote in
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>> Not sure about the current models though, which appear
>> to have a ripper mag-friction brake system. (never seen it used -
>> it'd be a
>> real laugh in a crowded tram, though.
>
> It'd be an even *bigger* laugh when viewed from the *outside* of a
> crowded tram.....

The biggest laugh yet is watching a freeway pileup happen (of course no-one
gets hurt, maybe a few bruises here and there).

On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 21:21:54 GMT, "Shane" <sdw@coolcats.net.au>, after
considering some belly-button fluf, wrote:

>
>"BenOne©" <nosp@m.thanks.mate> wrote in message
>news:t9ohlc.3j5.ln@192.168.11.2...
>> They are installing signs at the traffic light and pedestrian light
>> controlled intersections near where I work on St. Kilda Rd in Melbourne.
>> The signs say "Motorists Beware Pedestrians" and "Pedestrians Obey
>> Signals".
>>
>> Since when was it possible to get your license without showing that you
>> knew how to beware pedestrians at intersections?
>
>Since the statistics indicated that about one third of all fatalities
>included cars running over pedestrians I guess?

"Cars running over pedestrians" or "pedestrians throwing themselves in
front of cars"? Extreme, but you get the idea.

>
>
>This is mainly an office area, so it's
>> mostly adults that will be using the pedestrian crossings. Why do they
>> need a sign to tell them to obey the little red or green man?
>
>Instead of complaining about things like this, why don't you do a little
>research and find out why by asking the people who put them there? Perhaps
>it's because all these *adults* who routinely use that intersection, don't
>obey the traffic lights and get knocked over too often.

I see - so when Ben complains about an official decision that he feels
is wrong, he is "whinging" and he should "go and do something", but
when *you* complain about an official decision on an advertisement,
that's OK?

>The other thing is,
>if more pedestrians took notice of the lights, in addition to some motorist
>then our fatality rates wouldn't look so bad would they?

Sure, but you have to question the wisdom of putting up a sign saying
"obey the other sign", eh? I mean, if they don't obey the first sign,
why on earth would anyone think another sign would help??? Try this
then: First sign say "60", next sign says "No, really. 60" Or perhaps
"keep left" and "You should be here<-" ;-)))

>
>>
>> Next they will need signs to tell us to read the signs.
>
>You usually complain about any speed camera you happen to notice yet when
>there is an effort by the authorities to target the cause of one third of
>the fatalities in this country you still want to complain? You are very hard
>to please.

Ah, now it becomes clear. If we use the RTA figures, we can see that
43% of crashes involve "speeding", and even though the RTA itself says
that only around 1 in 8 of this 43% involve exceeding the speed limit,
we *must* spend money on advertising, radar & lidar and, of course,
speed cameras. Yet when pedestrians account for 33% of road fatals,
and something around 80% of these are the fault of the pedestrian, do
we have an advertising campaign? No. Do we have "police targetting
pedestrians crossing against the Don't Walk sign"? No. Gee, I can't
think why anyone would be cynical about the whole road safety
industry.

Neil
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Shane wrote:

> "BenOne©" <nosp@m.thanks.mate> wrote in message
> news:t9ohlc.3j5.ln@192.168.11.2...
>
>>They are installing signs at the traffic light and pedestrian light
>>controlled intersections near where I work on St. Kilda Rd in Melbourne.
>>The signs say "Motorists Beware Pedestrians" and "Pedestrians Obey
>>Signals".
>>
>>Since when was it possible to get your license without showing that you
>>knew how to beware pedestrians at intersections?
>
>
> Since the statistics indicated that about one third of all fatalities
> included cars running over pedestrians I guess?
>

So why are we letting people have a license?

>
> This is mainly an office area, so it's
>
>>mostly adults that will be using the pedestrian crossings. Why do they
>>need a sign to tell them to obey the little red or green man?
>
>
> Instead of complaining about things like this, why don't you do a little
> research and find out why by asking the people who put them there? Perhaps
> it's because all these *adults* who routinely use that intersection, don't
> obey the traffic lights and get knocked over too often. The other thing is,
> if more pedestrians took notice of the lights, in addition to some motorist
> then our fatality rates wouldn't look so bad would they?
>
>
>>Next they will need signs to tell us to read the signs.
>
>
> You usually complain about any speed camera you happen to notice yet when
> there is an effort by the authorities to target the cause of one third of
> the fatalities in this country you still want to complain? You are very hard
> to please.

They put up a sign in one place to address this issue. If they've identified
those (very few) specific locations as problem areas, then it's probably best
to just put up a few signs. Personally I think we need a broader campaign to
better educate people about how to cross the road safely.

There is a very obvious lack of courtesy, consideration and and tolerance on our
roads and in public in general. I think there is serious problem in our society
and the government needs to completely rethink the education system. Focusing on
penalties is not working unless things have changed in the last 6 to 12 months.
Last I heard, then number of dollars the government is collecting from fines is
increasing, and they are getting more and more agressive with their enforcemnt,
yet the number of accidents and fatalaties is not dropping.

--
Ben Thomas
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relate to the official business of my firm shall be understood as neither
given nor endorsed by it.

"BenOne©" <nosp@m.thanks.mate> wrote in message
news:t9ohlc.3j5.ln@192.168.11.2...
> They are installing signs at the traffic light and pedestrian light
> controlled intersections near where I work on St. Kilda Rd in Melbourne.
> The signs say "Motorists Beware Pedestrians" and "Pedestrians Obey
> Signals".

If only pedestrians would read them... :)

> Next they will need signs to tell us to read the signs.

We already have them.

Many roads have a sign with a picture of the outline of another sign and an
arrow pointing upwards. A sign telling us that there is a sign ahead....

--
Regards,
Noddy.

"BenOne©" <nosp@m.thanks.mate> wrote in message
news:t9ohlc.3j5.ln@192.168.11.2...
> They are installing signs at the traffic light and pedestrian light
> controlled intersections near where I work on St. Kilda Rd in Melbourne.
> The signs say "Motorists Beware Pedestrians" and "Pedestrians Obey
> Signals".
>
> Since when was it possible to get your license without showing that you
> knew how to beware pedestrians at intersections?

Since the statistics indicated that about one third of all fatalities
included cars running over pedestrians I guess?


This is mainly an office area, so it's
> mostly adults that will be using the pedestrian crossings. Why do they
> need a sign to tell them to obey the little red or green man?

Instead of complaining about things like this, why don't you do a little
research and find out why by asking the people who put them there? Perhaps
it's because all these *adults* who routinely use that intersection, don't
obey the traffic lights and get knocked over too often. The other thing is,
if more pedestrians took notice of the lights, in addition to some motorist
then our fatality rates wouldn't look so bad would they?

>
> Next they will need signs to tell us to read the signs.

You usually complain about any speed camera you happen to notice yet when
there is an effort by the authorities to target the cause of one third of
the fatalities in this country you still want to complain? You are very hard
to please.




>
> --
> Ben Thomas
> Opinions, conclusions, and other information in this message that do not
> relate to the official business of my firm shall be understood as neither
> given nor endorsed by it.
>

On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 21:21:54 GMT, "Shane" <sdw@coolcats.net.au>
scribbled thusly:

>Instead of complaining about things like this, why don't you do a little
>research and find out why by asking the people who put them there? Perhaps
>it's because all these *adults* who routinely use that intersection, don't
>obey the traffic lights and get knocked over too often. The other thing is,
>if more pedestrians took notice of the lights, in addition to some motorist
>then our fatality rates wouldn't look so bad would they?

Do you really think that signs will stop the accidents?
They haven't stopped speeding....maybe we need more speed
signs...that'll do it eh!
>
>>
>> Next they will need signs to tell us to read the signs.
>
>You usually complain about any speed camera you happen to notice yet when
>there is an effort by the authorities to target the cause of one third of
>the fatalities in this country you still want to complain? You are very hard
>to please.

Maybe a few signs like "Robbery is a crime...don't commit
robbery"....that'll work, particularly if we put one outside every
bank, grob shop, chemist and supermarket.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

"Shane" <sdw@coolcats.net.au> wrote in message
news:417d6e71@news.comindico.com.au...
>
> "BenOne©" <nosp@m.thanks.mate> wrote in message
> news:t9ohlc.3j5.ln@192.168.11.2...
>> They are installing signs at the traffic light and pedestrian light
>> controlled intersections near where I work on St. Kilda Rd in Melbourne.
>> The signs say "Motorists Beware Pedestrians" and "Pedestrians Obey
>> Signals".
>>
>> Since when was it possible to get your license without showing that you
>> knew how to beware pedestrians at intersections?
>
> Since the statistics indicated that about one third of all fatalities
> included cars running over pedestrians I guess?
>
>
> This is mainly an office area, so it's
>> mostly adults that will be using the pedestrian crossings. Why do they
>> need a sign to tell them to obey the little red or green man?
>
> Instead of complaining about things like this, why don't you do a little
> research and find out why by asking the people who put them there? Perhaps
> it's because all these *adults* who routinely use that intersection, don't
> obey the traffic lights and get knocked over too often. The other thing
> is, if more pedestrians took notice of the lights, in addition to some
> motorist then our fatality rates wouldn't look so bad would they?
>
>>
>> Next they will need signs to tell us to read the signs.
>
> You usually complain about any speed camera you happen to notice yet when
> there is an effort by the authorities to target the cause of one third of
> the fatalities in this country you still want to complain? You are very
> hard to please.
>

Because people who don't obey lights also don't read signs, and people who
speed also ignore speed limits. They will always do wrong, no matter what
you suffer onto the general population in the name of safety.

They are installing signs at the traffic light and pedestrian light controlled
intersections near where I work on St. Kilda Rd in Melbourne. The signs say
"Motorists Beware Pedestrians" and "Pedestrians Obey Signals".

Since when was it possible to get your license without showing that you knew how
to beware pedestrians at intersections? This is mainly an office area, so it's
mostly adults that will be using the pedestrian crossings. Why do they need a
sign to tell them to obey the little red or green man?

Next they will need signs to tell us to read the signs.

--
Ben Thomas
Opinions, conclusions, and other information in this message that do not
relate to the official business of my firm shall be understood as neither
given nor endorsed by it.

Got to spend our fuel excise on something. Maybe not useful things but
something.

Brenden
"BenOne©" <nosp@m.thanks.mate> wrote in message
news:t9ohlc.3j5.ln@192.168.11.2...
> They are installing signs at the traffic light and pedestrian light
> controlled intersections near where I work on St. Kilda Rd in Melbourne.
> The signs say "Motorists Beware Pedestrians" and "Pedestrians Obey
> Signals".
>
> Since when was it possible to get your license without showing that you
> knew how to beware pedestrians at intersections? This is mainly an office
> area, so it's mostly adults that will be using the pedestrian crossings.
> Why do they need a sign to tell them to obey the little red or green man?
>
> Next they will need signs to tell us to read the signs.
>
> --
> Ben Thomas
> Opinions, conclusions, and other information in this message that do not
> relate to the official business of my firm shall be understood as neither
> given nor endorsed by it.
>

It's probably just another one of the ways for the authorities to try to
protect us from ourselves. Or to cover themselves when some dumbarse gets
run over while crossing against the wishes of the little red man.

Where's Ponsenby when you need him? I'm sure there's some sinister
conspiracy at work there that he already knows about......

MrBonk
www.mrbonk.com

"BenOne©" <nosp@m.thanks.mate> wrote in message
news:t9ohlc.3j5.ln@192.168.11.2...
> They are installing signs at the traffic light and pedestrian light
> controlled intersections near where I work on St. Kilda Rd in Melbourne.
> The signs say "Motorists Beware Pedestrians" and "Pedestrians Obey
> Signals".
>
> Since when was it possible to get your license without showing that you
> knew how to beware pedestrians at intersections? This is mainly an office
> area, so it's mostly adults that will be using the pedestrian crossings.
> Why do they need a sign to tell them to obey the little red or green man?
>
> Next they will need signs to tell us to read the signs.

<| Rural QLD CC |> did write on 25Oct2004 at 1:20:48 PM
> It's probably just another one of the ways for the authorities to try to
> protect us from ourselves. Or to cover themselves when some dumbarse
gets
> run over while crossing against the wishes of the little red man.
>
> Where's Ponsenby when you need him? I'm sure there's some sinister
> conspiracy at work there that he already knows about......
>
> MrBonk
> www.mrbonk.com
>
> "BenOne©" <nosp@m.thanks.mate> wrote in message
> news:t9ohlc.3j5.ln@192.168.11.2...
> > They are installing signs at the traffic light and pedestrian light
> > controlled intersections near where I work on St. Kilda Rd in
Melbourne.
> > The signs say "Motorists Beware Pedestrians" and "Pedestrians Obey
> > Signals".
> >
> > Since when was it possible to get your license without showing that you
> > knew how to beware pedestrians at intersections? This is mainly an
office
> > area, so it's mostly adults that will be using the pedestrian
crossings.
> > Why do they need a sign to tell them to obey the little red or green
man?
> >
> > Next they will need signs to tell us to read the signs.

Damm right.
It's the Insurance Shysters hard at work,.
Evidently, they've made it conditional that extra signs are placed.

But I wonder.
Are they really aimed at the tram drivers?
Trams make far bigger messes of people than cars, and their brakes used to
be complete shite. Not sure about the current models though, which appear
to have a ripper mag-friction brake system. (never seen it used - it'd be a
real laugh in a crowded tram, though.
Are they still running those bloody dangerous W class devices in St Kilda
Road?

--
Toby
quidquid latine dictum
sit, altum viditur

"Toby Ponsenby" <toby@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:11pfgh2vedm7o.sffafgbh0qfp.dlg@40tude.net...
>
> Not sure about the current models though, which appear
> to have a ripper mag-friction brake system. (never seen it used - it'd be
> a
> real laugh in a crowded tram, though.

It'd be an even *bigger* laugh when viewed from the *outside* of a crowded
tram.....

MrBonk
www.mrbonk.com

On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 13:12:08 +1000, Brenden Will wrote:

> Got to spend our fuel excise on something.

Hmm, that explains some strange things then - i swear that the RTA are
repatching holes that are perfectly fine that were patched not even a month
ago
--
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On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 13:12:08 +1000, Brenden Will wrote:

> Got to spend our fuel excise on something. Maybe not useful things but
> something.

Unless those signs came out of the speed camera revenue.

> Brenden
> "BenOne©" <nosp@m.thanks.mate> wrote in message
> news:t9ohlc.3j5.ln@192.168.11.2...
>> They are installing signs at the traffic light and pedestrian light
>> controlled intersections near where I work on St. Kilda Rd in Melbourne.
>> The signs say "Motorists Beware Pedestrians" and "Pedestrians Obey
>> Signals".
>>
>> Since when was it possible to get your license without showing that you
>> knew how to beware pedestrians at intersections? This is mainly an
>> office area, so it's mostly adults that will be using the pedestrian
>> crossings. Why do they need a sign to tell them to obey the little red
>> or green man?
>>
>> Next they will need signs to tell us to read the signs.
>>
>> --
>> Ben Thomas
>> Opinions, conclusions, and other information in this message that do not
>> relate to the official business of my firm shall be understood as
>> neither given nor endorsed by it.
>>
>>

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